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bmoffa
06-20-2007, 07:28 AM
I've been using my new X52 joystick for about a month now, but I still think it feels sloppy. I've tried adjusting it in the game side, but can't seem to get the result I want. I feel like the physical movement range it too long and too light. I've added large dead zones to both ends or the x, y axises. That, with default game settings, seems to get it closer to what I want, but not quite. Any suggestions?

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-20-2007, 09:12 AM
Don't mean to sound negative (or come off as sarcastic), but that's what Saitek is notorious for. Their functionality, concept, and software are decent, but the quality of their actual stick just isn't precise or consistent enough for many users.

In that vain, I say try out CH Products. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Yellow_Sub
06-20-2007, 09:18 AM
Set aileron and elevator to 100% on all values (rudder too if you like) that's what most X-52 users use, afaik. At least I do.
Get Il-2 JoyControll to adjust the settings.
http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=1021

Capt.LoneRanger
06-20-2007, 09:49 AM
I am used to the CH-Products HOTAS for almost a decade now, but the X52 is a real alternative for me. I set the input values to 150% and with the somewhat scaled input of the X52 around the center, it works great and gives a perfect feel of how much input you give. Much better than the Fighterstick, anyway, which has a much further way of movement and my newer USB Fighterstick is more sluggish around the center than my 10 years old gameport version.

bmoffa
06-20-2007, 09:54 AM
What's IL-2 Joycontrol?

Divine-Wind
06-20-2007, 10:12 AM
A utility you can use to setup your joystick and such.

R_Target
06-20-2007, 10:58 AM
I bought an X-52 just for the throttle, which I really like. Saitek sticks though, are garbage IMO.

dbillo
06-20-2007, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by bmoffa:
I've been using my new X52 joystick for about a month now, but I still think it feels sloppy.
You can tighten the stick up by making a disc-shaped shim out of rigid plastic sheet, with a cutout in it for the stick shaft, so you can insert it between the bottom of the spring and the stick base.

Hard to describe, but I recall seeing pictures of this fix somewhere. If you look at the stick, you'll see there is already a plastic disk there, and what you need to do is shim up the spring where it bears on that disc, to preload the spring a little more.

Capt.LoneRanger
06-20-2007, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by dbillo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bmoffa:
I've been using my new X52 joystick for about a month now, but I still think it feels sloppy.
You can tighten the stick up by making a disc-shaped shim out of rigid plastic sheet, with a cutout in it for the stick shaft, so you can insert it between the bottom of the spring and the stick base.

Hard to describe, but I recall seeing pictures of this fix somewhere. If you look at the stick, you'll see there is already a plastic disk there, and what you need to do is shim up the spring where it bears on that disc, to preload the spring a little more. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, there are many mods like this around. I softened the springs by clamping them together. A good method to soften the friction from the plastic disk, somebody put a piece of neopren under it. What's best: Neither of these mods cancel warranty http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

K_Freddie
06-20-2007, 03:15 PM
I've removed the spring from my X52.. it's the only way to fly. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

VMF-214_HaVoK
06-20-2007, 04:06 PM
Heh, I love my X-52 and its a smooth as it was the day I got it, which about 2 years now. I like my sticks to move easily with the light touch of even a pinkie finger without the base even slightly tilting. But thats just me, and Saitek has worked flawlessly for me and everyone I know that has one. There is always a lot of bashing that goes on out there but people should be happy that some companies are even still making and supporting new sticks let alone coming up with new products.

S!

Urufu_Shinjiro
06-20-2007, 04:50 PM
Some very good advice so far. Set curve to all 100 or more is the best advice for anyone new to the X52. As for the sping tention there is a sticky on the saitek forum (X52 section, obviously) that gives video and everything on how to do this. Another method used (I used this for awhile until I realized I liked the stick loose) is to take the foam disks that come at the top of cd/dvd spindles and cut a slit in it, slide it over the top of the spring and Viola! Also a good way to smooth up the little cone at the bottom is to use a silicon based lube (and I do mean lube, as in sex lube), works a treat.

Dagnabit
06-20-2007, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
Heh, I love my X-52 and its a smooth as it was the day I got it, which about 2 years now. I like my sticks to move easily with the light touch of even a pinkie finger without the base even slightly tilting. But thats just me, and Saitek has worked flawlessly for me and everyone I know that has one. There is always a lot of bashing that goes on out there but people should be happy that some companies are even still making and supporting new sticks let alone coming up with new products.

S!

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Right on Havoc!!
I like the X52 for its versitility, with close to 20 mapable controls in one hand without even moving your hand off the stick, is pretty impressive. That isnt counting the six controls in the base of the stick, or the shifting to the other 2 modes, or the other 11 or so functions on the throttle. It may not be the best out there but to do better will cost a bit more too. It isnt everyones favorite but it works for me and I think it is a good deal for $100.00
And going on two years for me now, I havent had any problems. A bit of silicone lubricant occasionaly under the disk at the bottom of the stick is all it needs and thats optional.
Regards
Dag

Ernst_Rohr
06-20-2007, 10:01 PM
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I have used CH and Saitek, right now I am running my second Saitek, an X52 Pro, and I have been really happy with it.

I ran a CH right for years, until it just flat gave up the ghost, and the Saitek filled the role nicely.

I wouldnt mind a slightly stiffer stick, but I find the Saitek works fine, and in conjunction with their throttle (still the best on the market IMO) its hard to beat.

Freelancer-1
06-20-2007, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by bmoffa:
I've been using my new X52 joystick for about a month now, but I still think it feels sloppy. I've tried adjusting it in the game side, but can't seem to get the result I want. I feel like the physical movement range it too long and too light. I've added large dead zones to both ends or the x, y axises. That, with default game settings, seems to get it closer to what I want, but not quite. Any suggestions?

Depending how much stick time you put in, it may take another month before you are really comfortable with it.

I switched from an X-45 which has the opposite problem. Quite tightly sprung.

I was over controlling for a good two months with the 52.

Now, two years later, I can't imagine using anything else http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

M_Gunz
06-20-2007, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by bmoffa:
I've been using my new X52 joystick for about a month now, but I still think it feels sloppy. I've tried adjusting it in the game side, but can't seem to get the result I want. I feel like the physical movement range it too long and too light. I've added large dead zones to both ends or the x, y axises. That, with default game settings, seems to get it closer to what I want, but not quite. Any suggestions?

Don't rest the weight of your hand and arm on the stick. And get rid of those deadzones.
That works with any stick. Heavy springs do help when you do use the stick to hold your
hand up with though.

bmoffa
06-21-2007, 07:16 AM
Thanks for all the input. I've got all the x & y axis settings to 100% now. I set the rudder to 100%, except the first two, which are now about 80% and 90%. I left the big dead zones on all three. That seems to work very well for me now. The soft spring seems to be less of a factor with the new settings (don't know why).

As for all other aspects of the X52, I've always been very happy with it. With the latest adjustments, I'm at 99.999% satisfaction.

Thanks again. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Mysticpuma2003
06-21-2007, 07:25 AM
Video of how to inrease the spring tension:

http://www.aqwp87.dsl.pipex.com/SpringFix.zip

you will need the xvid codec to view it:


http://www.koepi.org/XviD-1.1.2-01112006.exe

Cheers, MP.