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major_setback
05-29-2006, 05:43 PM
This link has lots of interesting and unusual aircraft (mostly from WW II, and British). These are just a few pictures from the many on the site.

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/blackburn%20b37%20firebrand.jpg

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/bristol%20type%20163%20buckingham.jpg

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/bristol%20type%20130%20bombay.jpg

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/vickers%20f7%2041.jpg

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/boulton%20paul%20p92%202.jpg

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/martin-baker%20mb3.jpg


http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/bristol%20type%20160%20blenheim%20IV%20and%20bisle y.jpg

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/baynes%20bat.jpg

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/avro%20691%20lancastrian.jpg

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/armstrong%20whitworth%20aw41%20albemarle.jpg

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/DE%20HAVILLAND%20DH91%20ALBATROSS.jpg

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/folland%20fo108.jpg

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/fairey%20spearfish.jpg

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/gloster%20f9%2037.jpg

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/handley%20page%20hp75.jpg

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/westland%20whirlwind%20I.jpg

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/miles%20m33%20monitor.jpg

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/hawker%20henley.jpg

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/saro%20s36%20lerwick.jpg

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/miles%20m35.jpg

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/miles%20m39b.jpg

major_setback
05-29-2006, 05:47 PM
...and the link.

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/index.htm

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/html%20pages/index.htm

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/html%20pages/GEN...0GAL48%20HOTSPUR.htm (http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/html%20pages/GENERAL%20AIRCRAFT%20GAL48%20HOTSPUR.htm)

hotspace
05-29-2006, 05:47 PM
Some of those planes are just too damn ugly to fight a war http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

MB_Avro_UK
05-29-2006, 05:51 PM
Hey Major,

That's a scary collection!...I hope that the kids are asleep http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

WTE_Galway
05-29-2006, 06:00 PM
Some variant of a dehavilland commercial heavy sneaking in there.

Also is that a whirlwind lurking in amongst the bombers ?

major_setback
05-29-2006, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
...Also is that a whirlwind lurking in amongst the bombers ?

That's one for the Whirlwind fans. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JV44Rall
05-29-2006, 07:57 PM
The Brits love their gizmos, gadgets and whats-its. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jaws2002
05-29-2006, 08:30 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/eck32.gif

Bluebeard2006
05-29-2006, 08:37 PM
Looks like they duct taped two different planes together, lol.

But I find them cool, they would have been nice in the 1946 addon

Badsight.
05-30-2006, 02:59 AM
major_setback

ask taylor_tony about the last 2 plane's . IIRC he stated that in one of them , because of the pilots position , it put the pilot under greater G-Force than was necessary & wasnt ever going to get anywhere near production because of this

Friendly_flyer
05-30-2006, 03:14 AM
http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/westland%20whirlwind%20I.jpg

This one isn't unusual in any way, it's just not not modellen in our favourite game.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-30-2006, 03:39 AM
http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/handley%20page%20hp75.jpg

Now that one is interesting, and I think its kinda cute http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif

Cheers for the link.

Kocur_
05-30-2006, 06:05 AM
I recognize Hawker Henley and one or two more, but most of those planes are totally new to me! Anyone care to enlight me (us)? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Beaufort-RAF
05-30-2006, 06:27 AM
The Blackburn Firebrand, a magnificent looking aircraft.

Actually started with the Fleet Air Arm quite a while before the war finished.

Only really came into 'proper' service after the war though.


http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/blackburn%20b37%20firebrand.jpg

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2901L.jpg

Beaufort-RAF
05-30-2006, 06:40 AM
Britstol Buckingham, designed as a bomber and actually went into production but in the end saw only limited use as a transport.

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/bristol%20type%20163%20buckingham.jpg

Beaufort-RAF
05-30-2006, 06:47 AM
Britol Bombay, flew on operations as a bomber in the Middle East. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Mostly used as a transport.

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/bristol%20type%20130%20bombay.jpg

Beaufort-RAF
05-30-2006, 06:54 AM
Solid nose Blenheim V (initially called the Bisley).

They only proceeded with the glazed nose version though.

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/bristol%20type%20160%20blenheim%20IV%20and%20bisle y.jpg

Beaufort-RAF
05-30-2006, 07:17 AM
Armstrong Whitworth Albemarle.

Obviously designed as a bomber but used as a transport & glider tug (still an important role).

One night Albermarles did actually carry out a couple of bomber sorties on France.

Some were given to the Russians, I'm sure they were very grateful. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/armstrong%20whitworth%20aw41%20albemarle.jpg

Beaufort-RAF
05-30-2006, 07:39 AM
Saunders Roe Lerwick, used operationally in small numbers.

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/saro%20s36%20lerwick.jpg

skabbe
05-30-2006, 08:24 AM
i love them all

AVGWarhawk
05-30-2006, 12:14 PM
The first plane looks like a spitfire modified for the rockets. The radiators were moved off the bottom of the wing and redesigned for internal wing near the wing-root. Kind of a cool looking plane. Most of the others look like proto-types to me.

woofiedog
05-30-2006, 12:30 PM
Mint Posting... the Martin Baker MB5 is a Beauty!

http://www.insideairracing.com/gallery/MB5/101_MB5_003.jpg

http://www.airraceaddict.com/photo63.jpg

link: http://www.thehomepylon.net/Marlins_MB5/page2.htm

Aaron_GT
05-30-2006, 01:01 PM
What on earth is the one before the Henley TT?

WOLFMondo
05-30-2006, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by woofiedog:
Mint Posting... the Martin Baker MB5 is a Beauty!

http://www.insideairracing.com/gallery/MB5/101_MB5_003.jpg

http://www.airraceaddict.com/photo63.jpg

link: http://www.thehomepylon.net/Marlins_MB5/page2.htm

That thing is just a bastardi3ed Mustang and doesn't really look too much like the MB5 IMHO. Should have kept the P51 or built a 100% replica than that monstrosity.

woofiedog
05-30-2006, 01:15 PM
Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder...

Link: http://www.martin-baker.com/history_mb5.html

http://www.aafo.com/gallery/week/01-08-01.jpg

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-30-2006, 01:35 PM
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/vickers20wellesley20I.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/supermarine20spitfire20floatplane.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/miles20m3020x-minor.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/armstrong20whitworth20aw52g.jpg

Aaron_GT
05-30-2006, 01:53 PM
The Wellesley.. the bomber they forgot to make room inside for the bombs :-)

LStarosta
05-30-2006, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by AVGWarhawk:
The first plane looks like a spitfire modified for the rockets. The radiators were moved off the bottom of the wing and redesigned for internal wing near the wing-root. Kind of a cool looking plane. Most of the others look like proto-types to me.

Wrong.

Blackburn Firebrand.

SPLASH_1
05-30-2006, 03:27 PM
http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/jpg/fairey%20spearfish.jpg
http://www.unrealaircraft.com/fowler/images/short_sturgeon.jpg
http://www.vflintham.demon.co.uk/aircraft/spit/seafa1.jpg
http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/jpg/vickers%20windsor.jpg
http://freespace.virgin.net/john.dell/Boat1.JPG

Viper2005_
05-30-2006, 03:39 PM
Seafang! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

major_setback
05-30-2006, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
What on earth is the one before the Henley TT?

This one was new to me too. The Miles Monitor:

http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/j/Miles%20M-33%20Monitor.jpg

http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Monitor_m33_flying.jpg

From http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Aircraftindex.htm

"The Miles M.33 Monitor was a British designed twin-engine monoplane. The fuselage was narrow with bulbous canopy and rounded tail fin. A clear dome housed a camera on top of the fuselage aft of the wings. High-set wings were unswept with square tips, and a nacelle, containing a 14-cylinder radial engine with three-blade propeller and main landing gear, was mounted under either wing near the fuselage.
As the Royal Navy reqested an aircraft capable of simulating dive-bombing attacks, a new modification T.T.Mk.II was developed.

In total 22 Monitors were ordered by the Royal Navy, including the two Miles M.33 Monitor prototypes and 20 Miles M.33 Monitor TT.II. The two Miles M.33 Monitor prototypes were ordered under Contract No Acft/2668/C.2(a) to Spec Q.9/42 and numbered NF900 and NF904. Designed in 1942 under Q.9/42 specifications for a special high-speed target towing aircraft, the first prototype, T.T.Mk.I serial NF900, first flew at Woodley on 5 April, 1944.

The 20 ordered Miles M.33 Monitor TT.II were built by Miles Aircraft, Woodley, under Contract No. Acft/2831 dated 1 March 1943 and numbered NP406 to NP 425, and any further production for RAF and RN was cancelled.

Only 8 aircraft were actually tested by Royal Navy test pilots at A&AEE Boscombe Down and none saw service with the Fleet Air Arm. Reports of being in service at Dale are incorrect. The first production aircraft were delivered to D Squadron of A&AEE, Boscombe Down in May 1945, and Monitor NP 406 was displayed at the review of new Royal Navy aircraft at Heston in October 1945. The Miles Monitors from NP413 onwards were probably completed from 1946.

Following the testing of the 8 Monitors by the Royal Navy they were replaced by the D-II. Mosquito TT.Mk39. At the end of the war contracts for 600 Monitors were cancelled, and production ended after the 20 contracted Miles Monitors had been completed. For Miles this was a financial disaster.


Fleet Air Arm history Miles Monitor :-

Total FAA 1939-1945: 8 by 1945 (22 by 1946)
First delivered to RN: 1945. Naval unit in the A&AEE Boscombe Down
First squadron 1939-1945: None
Operational squadron: None
Last served with RN: Aircraft still being completed in 1946"

major_setback
05-30-2006, 04:36 PM
From the Fleet Air Arm site (link above), names are in the url (right click > properties)

http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/aircraft/Spearfish.jpg

"The Fairey Spearfish was a prototype dive-bomber which never saw military service. The Spearfish was a large aircraft with an internal weapons bay, and equipped with a remotely-controlled gun turret. Although not specially fast, with a wingspan exceeding 60ft the Spearfish was one of the largest single-engined aircraft designed for carrier operations. The Spearfish was designed to specification O.5/43 as a replacement for the Barracuda dive- bomber. The aircraft was powered by a single Centaurus engine driving a five-bladed propellor. Stores were carried in a bomb-bay and could include a single torpedo or 2,000lb of bombs or mines. Armament comprised two .5in Browning guns in the wings and two more in a remotely controlled dorsal barbette while sixteen RPs could be carried under the wings. ASV radar would be contained in a retractable 'dustbin' aft of the bomb-bay.
The first prototype RA356 flew on 5 July 1945. Five aircraft were completed, of which four flew, but the end of the war with Japan concluded the programme. Several were used for trials for some years after the war by the CTU."

http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/aircraft/BermudaMkIRAFSB2_1941.jpg

"The Brewster Bermuda is the name given by the RAF to the Brewster SB2A. In the US Navy service, the aircraft was the SB2A "Buccaneer." The Bermuda was not carrier-capable, although it was designed as a dive bomber. It was developed by Brewster in parallel with the Curtiss SB2C Helldiver. The two aircraft looked similar. Handling and production problems caused two years of delay, and the USN had no need for a new dive bomber when the SB2A was finally available. Many were used as target tugs, others were scrapped straight from the production line. A total of 1052 were built.
The Bermuda was supplied for FAA assessment under lend-lease when a small number entered RAF service. Only a few were assessed by the Naval unit in the A&AEE Boscombe Down, the first in January 1943 (FF425). In total only five were tested, four dive bombers and one in target towing configuration."

From elsewhere:

Bristol Bombay

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2681L.jpg

Vultee Vengeance (not British)

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2734L.jpg

Westland Wapiti

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2737L.jpg

A nice picture of a Firefly

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/3127L.jpg


Blackburn Skua

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2402L.jpg

Lerwick (comments taken from the 1000 aircraft site:
"L7248 was the first Lerwick built and served as a development aircraft together with L7249 and L7250. Due to the pressures of war and a general lack of aircraft, the Lerwick entered service with 209 Squadron (code letters WQ) at Oban on the west coast of Scotland despite unresolved handling problems both on the water and in the air. Modifications did not bring enough of an improvement such that the the aircraft could be considered acceptable, so after only a few months of operational sevice the type was withdrawn in May 1941 just as the last aircraft was being delivered. The Lerwick was replaced by the Catalina. Twenty one aircraft were built in total with the sequential serial numbers L7248 - L7268."

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2407L.jpg

Vickers Wellesley

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2471L.jpg

Lockheed Hudson

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2514L.jpg

Miles Master

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2525L.jpg

Blackburn Botha

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2527L.jpg

Whitley

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2528L.jpg

DeHavilland Flamingo

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2625L.jpg

major_setback
05-30-2006, 06:41 PM
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/533_1085409641_cheshirecat-spitfire[1].jpg

Jettisonable wing!!!!!!! The Hillson:

"HILLSON BI-MONO - Small single-seat cabin aircraft, intended as scale model for a light/cheap fighter, built in 1940 by F Hills and Sons Ltd as a PV and powered by 205 hp DH Gipsy Six. Extra area of upper wing was to allow take-offs from grass fields or roads at 'overload' weights, wing then to be 'slipped' (jettisoned) to allow good fighting performance and maneouvrability. Single Bi-Mono prototype (with no serial number but in military prototype finish) flown extensively in both monoplane and biplane configuration at Squires Gate - upper wing initially with greater span, later reduced to same span as lower wing. Single, successful, 'slip' made on July 16, 1941, at height of 4,500 ft (1,372 m) over sea off Blackpool."



http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/hillson%20bi-mono.jpg

WOLFMondo
05-31-2006, 01:31 AM
http://www.airraceaddict.com/photo63.jpg


Originally posted by woofiedog:
Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder...

Link: http://www.martin-baker.com/history_mb5.html

http://www.aafo.com/gallery/week/01-08-01.jpg

YOu know that the one in your first picture is a P51 conversion don't you?

Compare the original to the 90's Mustang conversion, the Original looks great! The Mustang conversion looks almost like a half scale with most of it out of proportion! Waste of a Mustang.

Sergio_101
05-31-2006, 03:21 AM
Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
http://www.airraceaddict.com/photo63.jpg

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by woofiedog:
Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder...

Link: http://www.martin-baker.com/history_mb5.html

http://www.aafo.com/gallery/week/01-08-01.jpg

YOu know that the one in your first picture is a P51 conversion don't you?

Compare the original to the 90's Mustang conversion, the Original looks great! The Mustang conversion looks almost like a half scale with most of it out of proportion! Waste of a Mustang. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Both the original and replica MB5 look like they
have a P-51D wing, not surprising though.

Sergio

WOLFMondo
05-31-2006, 04:09 AM
Its laminar flow but the actual shape is more like a 190A8's wing.

DuxCorvan
05-31-2006, 04:27 AM
Supermarine Spitfire + laminar wing= Supermarine Spiteful. Now a thing that Spitfire fans would like for a '1946-what-if' add-on...

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2918L.jpg

major_setback
05-31-2006, 05:03 AM
One of the most unusual aircraft to be flown by the RAF, the Bf 108:

From Wikipedia:
"The photo shows one of four Bf 108s which were impounded in Britain on the outbreak of World War II and put into RAF service, where they were designated Messerschmitt Aldon. As a light communications aircraft it was the fastest type the RAF had at the time, but they caused some confusion by being mistaken for attacking Bf 109s.

The nickname 'Taifun' or 'Typhoon' was given to the aircraft by German aviatrix Elly Beinhorn, the second woman to fly solo around the world.

A single Bf 108B was purchased by the U.S. Military Attaché for Air in the spring of 1939 for $14,378 and designated XC-44. It was 'repossessed' by the Nazi government in December 1941 (after having been condemned in November).

Production of the Bf 108 was transferred to occupied France during World War II as the Nord 1000."


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/Messerschmitt_Bf108.jpg



Fokker T.VIIIW:

Eight of these managed to escape to England before the German invasion. Flown by Dutch crews (n* 320 Dutch sqn).

"In October 1940 Pilot Officer Schaper of N* 320 Sqn was assigned to rescue a Dutch secret agent from occupied Holland. The mission was aborted at the first attempt due to fog. It did however alert the German forces, and when the attempt was made the following night 2000 (two thousand) German soldiers were waiting. After landing on Tjeuke Lake the T.VII-W was raked with machine gun fire. Despite this Schaper managed to get airborne in a zig-zag run and, despite being attacked by mistake by British Local Defence volunteers, he arrived in Felixtowe safely with the machine riddled with bullets...he became the first Dutch pilot to recieve the DFC (Distinguished Flying Cross) - from British Warplanes of World War II 1998:

http://www.kotfsc.com/aviation/tviiiw.htm
http://www.donsmodelworks.com/wmprods/images/wm72031.jpg


http://www.go2war2.nl/artikel-afb/T8_00278_2g.jpg

http://www.studenten.net/customasp/axl/image/foto/4-6-2003-8-47-fokker_t.viii-w_flight.jpg

http://www.go2war2.nl/artikel-afb/T8_00278_3g.jpg


http://www.kotfsc.com/aviation/graphics/tviiiw-main.jpg

http://www.kotfsc.com/aviation/graphics/tviiiw-plate1.jpg

http://www.kotfsc.com/aviation/graphics/tviiiw-plate2.jpg


http://www.milavia.net/airforces/netherlands/rnlaf_his7.jpg

major_setback
05-31-2006, 05:47 AM
"The aircraft designed by Miles were often technologically and aerodynamically advanced for their time; the M.20 emergency production fighter prototype outperformed contemporary Hawker Hurricanes and Spitfires, despite having fixed landing gear. The X Minor was a flying testbed for blended wing-fuselage designs, though the large commercial transport intended to be produced from this research never entered production." (Wikipedia).

The Miles M30 (flying scale model):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/36/Miles_M.30_X_Minor.jpg



Miles M.20 (from Wikipedia):

"The Miles M.20 was a World War II fighter developed by Miles Aircraft in 1940. During the Battle of Britain, the Royal Air Force was faced with a potential shortage of fighters. To meet the Luftwaffe threat, the Air Ministry commissioned Miles to design the M.20; nine weeks and two days later the first prototype flew[1].

To reduce production times the M.20 was of an all-wood construction, used many parts from the earlier Miles Master trainer, lacked hydraulics, and had streamlined fixed landing gear. The engine was a complete Rolls-Royce Merlin XX "power egg", and was identical to those used on the Avro Lancaster and some Bristol Beaufighter marks. The design also featured a bubble canopy for improved pilot visibility, one of the first fighters to do so.

Armed with the same eight .303 Browning machine guns as the Hawker Hurricane, the M.20 prototype was faster, carried more ammunition, and had greater range. A second prototype was built for the Fleet Air Arm, equipped with an arrestor hook and catapult launch points.

As the Luftwaffe was defeated over Britain, the need for the M.20 vanished and the design was abandoned without entering production."

http://avia.russian.ee/pictures/england/miles_m-20.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/49/Miles_M.20.jpg

major_setback
05-31-2006, 06:10 AM
Originally posted by Kocur_:
I recognize Hawker Henley and one or two more, but most of those planes are totally new to me! Anyone care to enlight me (us)? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The Index page has good information on the aircraft (on that original site). Use the link below to the Index:



http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/html%20pages/index.htm


example http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/html%20pages/DE%...%20HERTFORDSHIRE.htm (http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/html%20pages/DE%20HAVILLAND%20DH95%20FLAMINGO%20and%20HERTFORDS HIRE.htm)

woofiedog
05-31-2006, 06:18 AM
WOLFMondo... A bit of info on the Replica...

Link: http://www.aafo.com/racing/news/00/MB5_1.htm

A wooden molding, for the shaping and fitting of the engine cowling, has been applied forward of the aircraft's firewall. The Marlins plan to increase the rounded, slender shape of the cowling, particularly at the firewall, prior to the expected first flight in the year 2000. Final assembly of the engine will take place once the wooden molding for the cowl has been removed. Engine tests are tentatively scheduled to begin by the end of winter.

The MB5 is fitted with a DeHavilland, counter-rotating propeller system, with the aft blades one inch longer than the forward, in order to avoid vortice-caused splitting of the aft blade tips by the forward blades.

A set of clipped, North American P-51 Mustang wings, salvaged from an aircraft that crash-landed, are installed on the replica. Clipped at the outboard panels, the wingset features two 100-gallon fuel tanks inboard on either side, one 15- gallon fuel tank in the right outboard wing and one 20- gallon fuel tank planned for the long gun bay in the left wing. The original MB5 prototype had no fuel tanks within its wings. The gun bay in the right wing will be utilized for personal storage.


The landing gear have been fitted to the replica so that the spindles are turned inwards (P-51 spindles are normally facing outwards). Tailplane, windscreen and tail gear assembly, are also taken from the P-51.

The radiator is of special design and is similar to that of the P-51. The MB5's rudder pedals come from a North American AT-6 Texan, while the brakes are from a Bell P-63 King Cobra.

The remainder of the aircraft, including the tubed fuselage frame, are lofted, engineered and manufactured from scratch by Mr. Marlin. All control surfaces, except for the rudder, will be skinned with aluminum.

A unique point of historical interest: the rudder itself comes from the remains of the "Red Baron" RB-51 racer, which crashed after finishing second in the 1979 National Championships Air Races at Stead. Marlin has modified the upper portion of the rudder to fit the design of the MB5.

There are no parts of the original MB5 prototype installed on the replica Martin-Baker. Marlin indicates that "three percent" of the original aircraft would have to be utilized in the construction before his MB5 could be considered "original." Marlin also told us that the "three percent" is being given consideration, provided, enough of the original aircraft could be found to supply the replica. Unfortunately, no parts of the original MB5 are known to exist at this time.

Kocur_
05-31-2006, 06:59 AM
Thanks!

Now I want that one modelled:
http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/html%20pages/HESTON-NAPIER%20RACER.htm
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

woofiedog
05-31-2006, 07:25 AM
Kocur_ ... That is a Extremely Sleek looking Bird. It looks like it wants too fly, Right Now! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

A little info...

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Front view

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Napier-Heston: Speed record hopeful

Flight Journal, Apr 2001 by Bodie, Warren M

In its day (prior to WW II), it appeared to be the "Shape of Things to Come" in fighter aircraft. Smooth, beautifully streamlined around a powerful Napier Sabre engine and with a nearly imperceptible belly radiator and cooling air exiting at the rudder's leading edge, the racer was built for a serious attempt at the world landplane speed record. The canopy alone foretold several developments in aviation. Its thin wing leading edge displayed some sweepback, while its wide-track landing gear forecast was eventually seen on the Hawker Tornado, the Tempest and the Republic P-47Ns.

Unfortunately, it had fabric-covered flight controls and, although it had some ventral fin area, its fuselage seemed to be somewhat short-coupled. Worse, its competition was Heinkel's He 100 VS record-seeking type, the Supermarine Speed Spitfire and Germany's Messerschmitt Me 209 Vl. Buoyed by its Formula 1 and other racecar victories, Germany was a formidable speed opponent. On the British side, the complex Sabre sleeve-valve engine was in its early stages, and there were problems. Among the worst was an imbalance that created major vibration. Though the RAF endorsed the development of the Speed Spitfire, there isn't any indication that the government supported the Napier-Heston effort.

On March 30, 1939, Hans Dieterle flew the sleek Heinkel He 100 V8-registered "D-IDGH"-to an official absolute speed record of 463.92mph. Less than a month later, on April 26, 1939, Fritz Wendel smashed that record at the controls of the Messerschmitt Me 209 V1 by averaging 469.22mph, which the FAI officially confirmed. Neither the Speed Spitfire nor the Napier-Heston speedsters made any attempt to exceed those speeds.

http://www.project-napier-heston.com/images/engine.jpg
The Heston project design department, headed by Chief designer George Cornwall, was asked to design a super-fast aircraft intended to recapture the world’s air speed record, then held by the Germans. The racer’s design parameters were to be purposely designed around and powered by a top secret, specially built, blown version of a 24-cylinder, 2,450 HP liquid cooled Napier Sabre engine. 0

Link: http://www.project-napier-heston.com/

major_setback
05-31-2006, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by woofiedog:
....unfortunately, it had fabric-covered flight controls....

Does anyone know why this is seen as a disadvantage. I have always wondered if there was a major difference between the two sorts.

mortoma1958
05-31-2006, 11:20 AM
I read somewhere once that metal control surfaces are a tad bit more precise in control of the aircraft. Fabric flexes too much. And of course metal is more durable, as fabric can't withstand as much battle damage..

major_setback
05-31-2006, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by major_setback:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by woofiedog:
....unfortunately, it had fabric-covered flight controls....

Does anyone know why this is seen as a disadvantage. I have always wondered if there was a major difference between the two sorts. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I read somewhere once that metal control surfaces are a tad bit more precise in control of the aircraft. Fabric flexes too much. And of course metal is more durable, as fabric can't withstand as much battle damage..

I found this on the net re: the P47s:

"At high altitudes, the ignition system arced, and the loads on the control surfaces became unacceptable, the ailerons locking up. The fabric-covered control surfaces also tended to rupture at high altitudes from the expansion of the air trapped in them." (Wikipedia).

ploughman
05-31-2006, 11:36 AM
As Mortoma says, the fabric covered control surface balloons in and out.

Check out this link for a more complete description. (http://history.nasa.gov/monograph12/ch6.htm)

Kocur_
05-31-2006, 01:21 PM
Oh thanks Woofiedog! The plane looks AMAZING indeed. I know its nothing but total fantasy, but a fighter built like that, i.e. Napier Sabre and small airframe would be just... mmhhmmmmrrhhmmmm http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Not to mention it would make opponents just run in panic after first look http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

woofiedog
05-31-2006, 11:11 PM
http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Explorers_Record_Setters_and_Daredevils/trophies/EX10G1.jpg
The Schneider Cup seaplane trophy, probably shortly after it was won by the U.S. Navy on September 18, 1923.

The Schneider Trophy Race was the first of the golden age's contests. Jacques Schneider, a wealthy French industrialist with an interest in advancing the speed of seaplanes, founded the international competition in the early 1910s. The Schneider Trophy racecourses ran out over open water. Schneider stipulated that if a nation won the trophy three times in a row, that country would become the race's overall permanent champion.

http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Explorers_Record_Setters_and_Daredevils/trophies/EX10G3.jpg
Pulitzer Trophy.

The second major trophy race of the period was the Pulitzer, established in 1920 by American publishing magnate, Ralph Pulitzer, who created the speed contest to encourage U.S. designers to build faster airplanes. The first race took place in November 1920 at Mitchell Field, Long Island. U.S. Army Lt. C.C. Moseley, racing around the pylon-marked course, won the event. During the Pulitzer's six-year history, military pilots won each competition, thanks to the fact that the U.S. military had the best American aircraft at the time. U.S. Army Lt. Cyrus Bettis won the Pulitzer's final running in October 1925 with his Curtiss R3C-1 racer, a plane that the U.S. government had spent some $500,000 developing. This was the same plane that Jimmy Doolittle would fly to victory in the Schneider two weeks later.

http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Explorers_Record_Setters_and_Daredevils/trophies/EX10G2.jpg
Plaster model of the Bendix Air Race Trophy.

The Bendix Trophy Race, the fourth major air competition, began in 1931 after the Henderson Brothers convinced industrialist Vincent Bendix to sponsor a transcontinental, point-to-point race. The main intent behind the event was to interest engineers in building faster, more reliable, and enduring aircraft, which in turn, would directly affect the future of commercial aviation. During the 1930s, the Bendix competitors flew from Burbank, California, to Cleveland, except for two years when the contest began in New York and ended in Los Angeles.

http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Explorers_Record_Setters_and_Daredevils/trophies/EX10G4.jpg
The Thompson Trophy ward plaque. This one was awarded to first-prize winner Cook Cleland in 1947.

As the Schneider Trophy Race was coming to a close, a new contest was being born. In 1929, two brothers from California, Clifford and Phillip Henderson, persuaded Cleveland manufacturer Charles Thompson to sponsor the third major trophy contest of the era. The Thompson Trophy Race, which was intended to encourage the design of faster land planes, became the showcase of the new National Air Races.

The Thompson was a closed circuit, pylon-marked contest, similar to the Pulitzer, with one major exception. Rather than planes competing one at a time, the Thompson was a horse race in the air: pilots started together and jockeyed for position. The high speed, low-altitude race, which made tight turns around the pylons, was extremely exciting. As one Thompson racer noted: "It was a toss-up whether everybody was going to get to that first pylon alive." Of the major trophy races, the Thompson was the most popular.

Link: http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Explorers_Recor...ls/trophies/EX10.htm (http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Explorers_Record_Setters_and_Daredevils/trophies/EX10.htm)

Capt.England
06-01-2006, 01:12 PM
RE: Napier-Heston

Woofiedog, Have you got a high quality 3 view drawing of this plane that you can show or any further links to pictures? This is a new plane to me, I just don't know how you come across such good info.

stathem
06-01-2006, 01:20 PM
P1ngu has some good stuff on the Heston racer, if he shows.

I seem to remember one of the test pilots torque-flipped it.

woofiedog
06-01-2006, 04:11 PM
Capt.England... There is not to much info out about this Bird.
I'll keep an Eye open for anything.

Like I stated before though... a Real Looker of a Aircraft. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://project-napier-heston.com/images/right-1.jpg

http://project-napier-heston.com/images/left.jpg

Napier-Heston

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3897/is_200104/ai_n8950130
http://oldbeacon.com/plans/resource4/images/napier-heston_racer_3view.jpg
http://project-napier-heston.com/
http://project-napier-heston.com/pages/right-1.html

Drawnings: I couldn't find a drawning... but here are a few sites that looked interesting.

http://www.albentley-drawings.com/
http://www.albentley-drawings.com/catalogue.htm
http://www.airwar.ru/other/drawe.html

stathem
06-01-2006, 06:12 PM
Check here, Page 13 in the Tempest Thread. (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/8941018882/p/13)