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ElfunkoI
02-05-2004, 07:15 AM
First, some evidence. VEF Mission (http://66.114.65.249/vov/singlemissionstat.php?missionid=13362). Others have done better than me, but its my personal best. Only possible because of the awesome teamwork of the OKL in that mission.

That mission was with a 109G2 with mg151/20 gunpods. Talk about really hammering down on the enemy! And that was only three of em. Four of em could really let you reach out and touch somebody (kinda like what the VVS gets to do with their excellent mV cannons). Aces expansion is coming out, B-17's in box formation, and maybe the 190A6 even saw service on the Eastern Front. But this bird is a necessity. The improved cannon configuration for a midwar aircraft could have a dramatic impact on gameplay.

ElfunkoI
02-05-2004, 07:15 AM
First, some evidence. VEF Mission (http://66.114.65.249/vov/singlemissionstat.php?missionid=13362). Others have done better than me, but its my personal best. Only possible because of the awesome teamwork of the OKL in that mission.

That mission was with a 109G2 with mg151/20 gunpods. Talk about really hammering down on the enemy! And that was only three of em. Four of em could really let you reach out and touch somebody (kinda like what the VVS gets to do with their excellent mV cannons). Aces expansion is coming out, B-17's in box formation, and maybe the 190A6 even saw service on the Eastern Front. But this bird is a necessity. The improved cannon configuration for a midwar aircraft could have a dramatic impact on gameplay.

A.K.Davis
02-05-2004, 09:46 AM
190A6 saw widespread service on the Eastern Front. Already asked Oleg about this and he did not seem particularly interested. Also looked for a modeller who would be willing to make the changes necessary in the 3D model, but no takers there either.

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XyZspineZyX
02-05-2004, 10:32 AM
What can you do in an A6 that can't be done in an A5?

faustnik
02-05-2004, 10:50 AM
I'd rather see the A2. A lighter fighter version, very late 1941-42 for use against the Spit V. Most of the A2 pitures I have seen show no outer cannons.

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p1ngu666
02-05-2004, 10:51 AM
no dev has responed to my plane variations thread thats 6weeks old now i guess.
no whinin or other bs either.
i sent him a pt which hasnt read, which again was polite and no bs.
other decent threads dont get a response http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
this forum has turned into a something to give the feel your suggesting stuff and itll be looked at. will be by other forum users but not dev's i feel. not recently anyways

XyZspineZyX
02-05-2004, 11:51 AM
The A2 was more likely to catch fire than to be seen in combat. The A1 - A3 were flown about France in early 1942 to sort out their production problems.

The A4 (or a field-upgraded A3) is really the first in-service, in numbers version of the Focke Wulf.

VW-IceFire
02-05-2004, 02:21 PM
Whats the difference between the A-5, A-6, and A-8? I'm sure there is something but what?

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Vipez-
02-05-2004, 02:43 PM
A-6 has redesigned wingstructure. MG/FF replaced by MG151/20 outer wing cannons. Increased armor. One of most important FW-190-series. Over 3200 produced (only surpassed by A-8 of over 8000).. saw wide action on all fronts, also on eastern front.. imo very important german plane to be added for mid-war servers.

Would be nice to have MG-17s and Outer MG151/20s removed in this version (without adding the f****** bomb rack http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif )


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ElfunkoI
02-05-2004, 10:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
What can you do in an A6 that can't be done in an A5?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Stiggles? What? How about shoot at a target from 300m and know more than 50% of you bullets are going to make it (referring to Mgff/m). How about land X more 20mm rounds per second (or per trigger squeeze) than A5. Generally have much more hitting power!!!!!!!11

ElfunkoI
02-06-2004, 07:09 AM
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JG26Red
02-06-2004, 09:10 AM
wish we could take that bomb rack of a8 and a9... looks fugly if anything

Grach
02-06-2004, 06:54 PM
Hmm.
I'd rather have a G than an A-6.
Possibly a G-8 or even a G-2. Would make a nice counterpart to the F-8. A nice loadout selection would be good too.
Just my 2c

JG53Frankyboy
02-06-2004, 07:06 PM
you have already the "JaboRei" (FighterbomberLongRange) Fw190G in game - just use the Fw190Ax/U8 , thats the same

like the Fw190F are the Fw190Ax/U3 , /U17.

and the Fw190A3 were realy NOT a test variant.
it was in full service over the channel and the first wing over eastern front, JG51 , was equipted with this A3 also october 42 at Moskau sector.
the only big difference betwenn A3 and A4 was its radio.

btw, it would be nice to remove the MG-FF , but only if you could gain better performance http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

and to shorten the MK108 barrels at the A8/9 would also be nice to see.

A.K.Davis
02-06-2004, 07:14 PM
oh, and give the whole damn series a real damage model...http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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ElfunkoI
02-06-2004, 11:17 PM
And four mg151/20 cannons... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

robban75
02-07-2004, 03:38 AM
And a D-12! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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kyrule2
02-07-2004, 03:42 AM
And a 190 that doesn't fly like a UPS truck when the paint gets chipped.

And a 190 that doesn't have ginger bread wings.

And an A-9 that doesn't climb like an A-5 or A-8.

And an A-4 that reaches top speed and doesn't gag for breath at medium altitudes.


And an A-2, A-6, & D-12.

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ElfunkoI
02-07-2004, 10:02 PM
Oleg must hear our calls!

JG53_Ronin
02-08-2004, 11:21 AM
i really never understood why the bombracks r getting added to the Fw190 when i change my weapons to MG151 !

hope the armor will NOT be decreased in the next patch !

or let me take it in this direction: when do all the bugs in the allied crates get corrected (P39, P40 etc.) ???

ElfunkoI
02-08-2004, 07:55 PM
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jurinko
02-09-2004, 02:27 AM
and.... the.. ehm, b..b..bar.. ?

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Willey
02-09-2004, 07:40 AM
bump

Lixma
02-09-2004, 10:21 AM
Looks like the VVS are getting seriously screwed over judjing by that plane set on the VEF report.

Middle of October 1942 and all they can get their hands on is Yak 1 and Hurri IIb ?

ElfunkoI
02-09-2004, 07:53 PM
Hehe, then the next few missions all we got were F4's and E7/b's. It's all relative. Last night they got Yak1B and LaGG3 (and 500m alt advantage and won mission).

ElfunkoI
02-10-2004, 10:48 PM
So I was thinking. On one hand we got a 190 with cannons with the same mV as me pissing from a prone position. On the other we could have a 190 with four cannons that have the mV of a little old lady from Pasadena. Too bad we only have one hand in this game!

LBR-GuntherRall
02-11-2004, 03:52 PM
S!Kameraden

You asked Vw-Icefire on the differences among FWs A5/6/8, and our friend Vipez answered very well but forgetting about 3 important variants Fw 190 A6/R1 that and similar to A5 of own IL2 FB with dual pods, and Fw 190A6/R6 that instead of 4 cannons mg 151/20, he had 4 cannons mk 108 of 30 mm being the most armed monoplace of the conflict! I can mention the version Fw 190 A6/R4 with motor BMW 801Ts, that could arrive to 687 km/h to 10300 meters! I wait to have helped with these data, and I don't have faith that it would be difficult tao for A6 in the game, imagine an A6/R6 attacking formations of Boeings B17 with their 4 cannons of 30 mm http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif!
Best regards

ElfunkoI
02-11-2004, 10:00 PM
Oh wow! Listen to that! How could we not have such an important variant?! It's a shame Oleg didn't already do this aeroplane!

RicknZ
02-12-2004, 11:05 PM
You know that is a real Bug Bear for me reagrding the 190.

As soon as it takes one hit, not even showing visible damage the damn wings on the 190 stop working!

No other plane does that and if peevs me off. Visible holes? Of course the wings stuffed. No sign of damage from that 1 50cal hit? Why aint the wing working ne more?

ElfunkoI
02-13-2004, 11:36 AM
I'm going to a hockey game tonight. I bet Oleg likes hockey... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ucanfly
02-13-2004, 12:12 PM
Frankly, if it has the same cockpit and sitting height of a 4'10'' pilot, DM, and FM that we have now, I would rather not see another 190. That goes for BOB as well. You realize we can't even see the nose of these airplanes? The dramatically better vision from cockpit and flight handling were universally praised when compared to 109 (by allied test pilots and LW pilots). Not in FB however.

I will look long and hard at reviews of BOB before I buy as this is really an unbelievable shortcoming given the importance of the 190 class to the LW.

Don't give us another poor representation of the 190 - fix the ones you have first!

kyrule2
02-13-2004, 02:51 PM
Ucanfly, while I can understand your frustration as much as anyone and I agree with much of what you are saying, I think your tone is a bit harsh. The 190 still needs work but FB is so much better than anything else going that I am grateful for what we have. I'll be buying BoB the first day it is available.

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ucanfly
02-13-2004, 09:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kyrule2:
Ucanfly, while I can understand your frustration as much as anyone and I agree with much of what you are saying, I think your tone is a bit harsh. The 190 still needs work but FB is so much better than anything else going that I am grateful for what we have. I'll be buying BoB the first day it is available.

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My apologies. You're right, of course. Sorry Mr. M. but I am getting mean in my old age. I haven't seen an FW I've particularly liked in any other sim either.

At least in FB we have the most attention to detail. Let's just say I am wishing that BOB and PCs makes a huge leap forward in order to allow modelling the 190s with a better forward view and a more representative handling using available controllers. I am willing to wait for that.

It's just that the 190 views and FMs represent more of a challenge to me than a pleasure, which is distinctly different than what I have read about the real thing (snap rolls notwithstanding).

kyrule2
02-14-2004, 12:19 AM
Very well said Ucanfly. I'm hoping the FW-190 model in BoB, whenever it is available, will be more accurate. I'm really hoping with more detail and complexity it will bring out some of the advantages/strengths of the 190 that currently aren't modelled in any sim.

And I agree about the view http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

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ElfunkoI
02-14-2004, 01:02 AM
I was under the impression BoB was gonna be the BoB, 1940. Is it gonna extend to '43?

Today I used the 190A5 to great extent in a dogfight server. Some poor 109 tried to bounce the Sturmovik I was shooting and went through my hail of lead, one dead 109. 190A6 would be super with all the variants aforementioned and the 4 x mg151/20.

kyrule2
02-14-2004, 01:41 AM
Elfunko, that is why I said "whenever it is available." I think we will have to wait until add-on for FW-190 in 1C's BoB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

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ElfunkoI
02-14-2004, 11:26 AM
But I don't wanna wait. I want it now!

*throws tantrum*

ElfunkoI
02-14-2004, 09:07 PM
Simple fact is with the Mgff/m you cannot screw up a fraction of a percent otherwise you won't get all your lead on target. The superior ROF and mV Mg151/20 would provide a huge firepower boost and instantly be felt within the game. Things would go down quicker. Not to mention the tactic of firing at heavies (big bombers) in the upcoming expansion would actually be made possible from a distance like in real life! Shooting at them with two completely different cannons will only see one hit (the Mg151/20 unless you lob the shells then its the mgff/m).

ElfunkoI
02-14-2004, 11:45 PM
My book lists takeoff for 190 A5 as 4300 kg. For the 190 A6 is lists 3900 kg. A lighter more heavily armed Focke Wulf? I know the 190 A5 number conflicts with Oleg's, but maybe the trend is universal (Olegs A6 will be lighter than his A5). We can pray!

A.K.Davis
02-14-2004, 11:53 PM
I believe the structure in A6 underwent some redesign to lighten it, as the weight creep from the first production models to the A-5 was starting to get out of hand. However, I'm not sure if this structural lightening was cancelled out by the additional weight of two more MG151/20s.

I believe some pilots considered the A6 to be the best of the 190A series.

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ElfunkoI
02-15-2004, 12:03 AM
The removal of Mgff with replacement of Mg151/20. Doubt weight increase was significant, woudl have to know cannon weights.

A.K.Davis
02-15-2004, 12:21 AM
ammo weights and weapon fittings weights, too

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ElfunkoI
02-15-2004, 11:27 PM
Hehe. So, anyone find max takeoff weight for Fw-190A6 and Fw-190A5?

Better to find overall than just the cannons/ammo.

ElfunkoI
02-16-2004, 10:38 AM
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ElfunkoI
02-18-2004, 08:15 AM
Up she goes.

Copperhead310th
02-18-2004, 02:01 PM
Persoanlly i'b muchrather see a FW190 A-3 with all load outs.

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CARBONFREEZE
02-18-2004, 02:07 PM
bump

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Lemsko
02-18-2004, 05:03 PM
FW190A6 is basically an A8 without the dents for the bigger MGs in the cowling.
wings=A8
Fuselage length =A8
Nose MGs still 7.62mm


That from a 3d artist point of view

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
02-18-2004, 06:06 PM
this is what i found for the A6

about 3000 were build (A5 only about 1500)

-replaced MG/FF with MG151/20
-additional armor for the engine-cooling-system
-slighly reworked wings
-new Radio

Engine:
BMW 801 D-2 with 1730PS (1272KW)
Tak-off-wight(fully equipped plane[Fuel, ammo] but without externals [bombs, tanks eg..]):
4107kg
Range:
500km (with 500kg Bomb or other external loadout)
Service ceiling: 10500m
maximum Speed: 660 (in 7000 m)
cruise Speed: 600 (in 6500 m)
climb: 14,50m/s

http://www.focke-wulf190.de/

ElfunkoI
02-18-2004, 08:21 PM
A5 Takeoff : 4,000 kg. (according to Oleg)
A6 Takeoff: 4,107 kg. (according to website)
A8 Takeoff: 4,250 kg. (according to Oleg)

Same as A8? I think not. Its lighter. And it has more ammo than A5, higher ROF, and longer guns range. You can hit a target from more than 200m! A8 is a dog, A5 is a dream. I think I'll like what's in between!

Skalgrim
02-19-2004, 12:48 PM
4 151/20 would nice,

but her other strengthens to use mk108 is too nice.

2 151/20 and 2 mk108 for 43 server, not bad.

ElfunkoI
02-20-2004, 10:47 PM
I bet you thought this was gonna fall off page 1.

MandMs
02-20-2004, 11:21 PM
Fw190A-8 manual

TO weight(clean) = 4365kg(640L fuel)

with a drop tank, 4683kg(940L fuel)



I eat the red ones last.

Skalgrim
02-21-2004, 03:45 AM
4365kg(640L fuel) is with rear tank.


a8 weigh

4250kg without rear tank

4360kg with rear tank


was post lemb forum,

there are some experten like butch2k,

willaume that write book from 190, was too mentioned from oleg as 190 expert,

schwarze man, he restored db605 engine was too mentioned from oleg as 109 engine expert.

lemb forum

http://pub157.ezboard.com/bluftwaffeexperten71774



[QUOTE]Originally posted by MandMs:
Fw190A-8 manual

TO weight(clean) = 4365kg(640L fuel)

with a drop tank, 4683kg(940L fuel)

[This message was edited by Skalgrim on Sun February 22 2004 at 05:48 AM.]

MandMs
02-21-2004, 05:03 AM
Skalgrim, that is why I stated the fuel carried.

normal fuel = 410kg(525L)
aux. fuel = 90kg(115L)

90kg is the difference in the 2 weights.



I eat the red ones last.

JZG_Marseille
02-21-2004, 06:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
What can you do in an A6 that can't be done in an A5?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Stigir,

The A6 is like an A8 without the extra armor so it is quicker in it's movements but still has the big guns.

Skalgrim
02-21-2004, 08:58 AM
easy answer, you can faster kill p47,

2 mk108 are best weapons against p47.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
What can you do in an A6 that can't be done in an A5?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
02-21-2004, 06:05 PM
4xMG151/20 do just fine (ask some JMFT....^^)

ElfunkoI
02-21-2004, 11:33 PM
So can I have my 4xmg151/20? I want to do just fine right now. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bremspropeller
02-22-2004, 06:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
The A2 was more likely to catch fire than to be seen in combat. The A1 - A3 were flown about France in early 1942 to sort out their production problems.

The A4 (or a field-upgraded A3) is really the first in-service, in numbers version of the Focke Wulf.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Errm...NO !

The first Fw in combat was indee the A-1. The A-2 was the second and the difference between the 2 and 3 were the different engines.

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Willey
02-22-2004, 08:07 AM
A-6 without those nasty MG-17s would be the king of FW. They were considered about useless next to those 4 20mms, therefore they switched them with 131s in later series. But AFAIK, many pilots stipped those MGs. I remember A-9s with 2 151/20 and 2 108s, but no MK 131s were in action quite often. They removed the extra weight jsut because those MGs, even 131s hardly add punch to the massive wing armament.

Such a choice for all planes would be great... change the gun setup at will. Of course no MG 131s in Emil, but at least remove those MG17s with 2000 bullets...

JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
02-22-2004, 12:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ElfunkoI:
So can I have my 4xmg151/20? I want to do just fine right now. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

beg oleg ... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

ElfunkoI
02-22-2004, 07:55 PM
We are gonna have the Aces Expansion. The western front! How are we supposed to engage a box of B-17's with mgff?? I have more of a chance of throwing a baseball from the wall of right field to home plate than hitting anything with those jelly beans... suggest we open up at incredibly close range? A stupid idea to say the least...

ElfunkoI
02-23-2004, 10:00 PM
Bump for Mg151/20

Bremspropeller
02-24-2004, 05:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ToP_BlackSheep:
this is what i found for the A6

about 3000 were build (A5 only about 1500)

-replaced MG/FF with MG151/20
-additional armor for the engine-cooling-system
-slighly reworked wings
-new Radio

Engine:
BMW 801 D-2 with 1730PS (1272KW)
Tak-off-wight(fully equipped plane[Fuel, ammo] but without externals [bombs, tanks eg..]):
4107kg
Range:
500km (with 500kg Bomb or other external loadout)
Service ceiling: 10500m
maximum Speed: 660 (in 7000 m)
cruise Speed: 600 (in 6500 m)
climb: 14,50m/s

http://www.focke-wulf190.de/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Sorry Black_Sheep, but your number for the A-6s in service is pretty exaggerated - there were about 1700 A-5s and about 1200 A-6s. So your number is twice as large as the real numbers were. Don't get me wrong, bot we should not spread rumors http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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ElfunkoI
02-24-2004, 07:08 AM
Imagine attacking some P-47 escorts from an advantage and pumping one so full of lead you are amazed it still flys. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

p1ngu666
02-24-2004, 07:42 AM
&lt;p47&gt;oh that tickles http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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PzKpfw
02-24-2004, 09:41 PM
Lowe* puts A-5 Production @ about 723 & A-6 production @ around 569. Total A-5 & A-6 production combined was around 1,292 Fw 190A-5/6. The Fw 190A-8 which most agree was the most produced of the Fw 190A series. With a production of either 1334, or 1344 (depending on source).


Yet if one combines Fw 190A-8 production in 1944*, with Ie, Fw 190A9, Fw 190G, Fw 190F8, & Fw 190D9 production, they do even not add up to the Luftwaffe's alleged acceptance figures of 11,411 FWs for all of 1944.

Actual Fw 190A8 production also appears to have been higher then previously thought between 2000 - 2500+.

*See: Lowe Malcolm V. Production Line to Frontline 5: Fw 190. pp. 56,57.

*See ibid. p.132

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ElfunkoI
02-24-2004, 10:43 PM
Awesome, so we are still missing Fw-190 A6!

Bremspropeller
02-25-2004, 07:03 AM
John, my sources say 6,655 A-8s http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

1805 D-9s

910 A-9s

1192 A-6s

1752 A-5s


Sources are from Peter Rodeike's Fw190 book (unfortunately not availible in english).

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ElfunkoI
02-25-2004, 08:33 AM
Bring on the A6!

Farbe_und_Bunt
02-25-2004, 08:50 AM
A-6 would be great.

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Gunner_361st
02-25-2004, 09:20 AM
More versions of any planes would be great, including FW190, but looks like a modeler is in need. Considering its the same plane, don't think it would take too much programming. Anyone have the ability and willpower to make the A6 version?

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Pimpo
02-25-2004, 09:50 AM
a personal weapon configuration for all planes would be awesome but at least stripping these peaguns would be great http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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PzKpfw
02-25-2004, 11:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
John, my sources say 6,655 A-8s http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

1805 D-9s

910 A-9s

1192 A-6s

1752 A-5s


Sources are from Peter Rodeike's Fw190 book (unfortunately not availible in english).


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I have no doubt Brem, Lowe discusses production totals in the appendixs basicly Fw production numbers have grown by year since the war ended. I have no doubt Fw 190-A8 production could have reached 6k as Lowe himself stated it was 2000 - 2500+ and probably much higher. Yet as I stated the most commo quoted A8 production figure is 1334, and/or 1344.

All your sources production data is higher then Lowe's for the same model Fw production Ie, your source states Fw 190D-9 production was 1,805 D-9s wher'as Lowe states:*

Exact production figures for the Dora-9 are impossible to verify, with a total of approximately 700 being a good starting point.

Lowe also brings up that the total wartime
Fw 190 production was 20,000 yet if one removes rebuilt and recycled Fw 190s from the numbers then actual production numbers are much less then 20k.


*See: ibid p.86.

Regards, John Waters

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FW190fan
02-25-2004, 12:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PzKpfw:
Lowe also brings up that the total wartime
Fw 190 production was 20,000 yet if one removes rebuilt and recycled Fw 190s from the numbers then actual production numbers are much less then 20k.


*See: ibid p.86.

Regards, John Waters

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I'd say this is one of the key factors that makes things so confusing - rebuilt/re-engined FW190s. We'll probably never know the exact numbers unfortunately.

It's also very difficult researching the different BMW801 variants.

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Bremspropeller
02-25-2004, 01:49 PM
Rodeike reports some 13,000 Fw190As.

His numbers are counted on the base of service documents, so I tend to beleive his numbers, but as you said, we'll probably never know the true numbers.

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PzKpfw
02-25-2004, 02:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FW190fan:


I'd say this is one of the key factors that makes things so confusing - rebuilt/re-engined FW190s. We'll probably never know the exact numbers unfortunately.

It's also very difficult researching the different BMW801 variants.

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Oh agree whole heartedly the Fw 190F-8 W.N.r. 931884 restored @ *NASM is a perfect example of recycle/rebuilt FW. Ie, when NASM began restoreing it they found another manufacure plate that showed it was originaly an Fw 190A-7 W.N.r. 640069. That had either been built by Arado @ Warnemunde, or Norddeutsche Dornier @ Wismar. Recent research stongly sugests it was built @ Norddeutsche.


*National Air and Space Museum.

Regards, John Waters

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ElfunkoI
02-26-2004, 07:16 AM
Interesting, to the top!

Bremspropeller
02-27-2004, 03:15 AM
One more bump for the A-6 !

Pretty easy to include: take the 3d-model, the IMPROVED DM of the A-5, the pit of the A-5 and simply excange the MG/FF-M guns with the MG151/20 guns - that's it ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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ElfunkoI
02-27-2004, 07:27 AM
Hey, that was easy! Could we do that?

sauron6
02-27-2004, 08:29 AM
With all these complex loadouts, I bring back an OLD idea of mine, to get a complex loadout screen. Like this self-explanitory one:

http://www.x-plane.org/users/eder/AircraftLoadout.jpg

JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
02-27-2004, 06:13 PM
another one for A6

Hunde_3.JG51
02-27-2004, 06:49 PM
Oleg confirmed the A-6 is coming http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, not sure when though. Check the sticky thread about AEP update and Zen's/Oleg's posts/replies.

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ElfunkoI
02-28-2004, 12:49 AM
Oh man! I just wet myself! Now I can have happy dreams tonight. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ElfunkoI
02-28-2004, 01:03 AM
Oleg_Maddox
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posted 27-02-04 08:56
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Originally posted by Zen--:
Oleg, any chance that more variants of the 190 will make it into game?

D11
D12
D13 etc
A1
A6
A7 SturmJager


Just curious



thanks for coming back to the forums, I know that the community is really enjoying a chance to ask questions and get answers.

Salute!

-Zen-

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I prefer Ta-152C

But for sure - no A1-A3... Thes will be in the next our general sim In add-ons for BoB.

For D11, D12, D13 etc We haven't exact photos or blueprints. taht are situable for modeling it right. Also no time.. There are more other needs

A6? Will be A6!

A7 SturmJager... Except some schemes that drawn by non-engineers or just simple drawings are not situable for correct modeling. Also no one even photo of cockpit changes... comparing to A5 and A6.
So, I would say no.

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ElfunkoI
02-28-2004, 01:05 AM
Sig test

"A6?http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Will be A6!"

robban75
02-28-2004, 02:47 AM
Wow! The A-6 is comming! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Excellent!

About the late D's. They are externaly similar to the D-9.
The differences are flat fuselage cowling,

larger airscoop, almost the same shape as the Ta 152H's scoop but not 100% the same,

the paddle prop blades are larger and of a different shape.

The fuel filler behind the airscoop is positioned about 20cm lower,

a new single cartridge ejection port for the engine mounted gun replacing the two ejection ports for the MG 131's.

The ejection ports for the MG 151's were also slightly altered.

For some excellent drawings(and pics) of the D-13 I highly recommend the "Eagle files EF#2, Yellow 10" by Jerry Crandall. It can be found on amazon.com, or amazon.co.uk, it's not very pricy! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://members.chello.se/unni/D-9.JPG

When it comes to aircombat, I'd rather be lucky than good any day!

Willey
02-28-2004, 08:20 AM
Looks like we won the war right now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif