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Whiskey1968
04-03-2006, 12:34 PM
Well, i have flown this game for a cpl years now and i love it. But as of late, it seems we are gettin alot of peeps shoulder shooting, shooting planes with no wings, shooting planes goin down and just plain kill stealing. I mean, i agree that this has been talked about several times b4, and yes its a part of online play.

BUT______ has anyone noticed it is getting worse and worse. I do.

Grin and bare it, start killin your own teammates cause ya get peed off, or leave the server and go to a private server where you know the pilots you fly with.

Just had to vent alittle about that topic as it is bugging the poo out of me.

Whiskey out

ElAurens
04-03-2006, 01:52 PM
Yes, I've noticed it even on the better online servers.

Seems there are a lot of folks crossing over to the "full difficulty" servers of late who are lost without their little arrows. Been playing the game for years and they never bothered to learn how to ID aircraft by their shape/profile.

Amazing.

Or they just are point wh0res...

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zoinks_
04-03-2006, 02:32 PM
been online for about 3 weeks. i'll go into a empty server and practice dive bombing with an sbd or val to familiarize myself with the map and targets. many times someone will come in and pick a fighter against my unescorted plane. there's plenty of action in other servers so i can only assume that an easy kill is the purpose. in 3 weeks i have 1 kill in a fighter and dozens in my sbd.

same deal a few days ago: this guy shot up my plane and i was able to kill him with the rear gun as i went down. got a new plane, dropped a thousand pounder on a carrier and sped off taking aaa hits. zero gets on my six and i flame him after he scores some hits. my plane is smoking badly now and i'm a foot off the water nursing it in. fly a few minutes and my bird gives out and i ditch. in my raft as my plane sinks into the depths i see a spec in the distance. i sit there and watch him close in, strafe my raft and bravely disconnect.

Treetop64
04-03-2006, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by zoinks_:
...i'm a foot off the water nursing it in. fly a few minutes and my bird gives out and i ditch. in my raft...

This must happen to you a lot, judging by your avatar!

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Da_Godfatha
04-03-2006, 02:50 PM
Welcome to onwhine gaming dude. BTW, if the scoring system was better, maybe this thing would be rare.

The point-*****s are those who cry about kill-stealing. The same ones who claim to fly only "Full Real" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif and then tell you STRAFING (it is not called VULCHING kiddies) is not allowed. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Just wait till all the new blood comes over from BF-Modern or whatever that trash is called. Then you will see some very, very annoying stuff.

slo_1_2_3
04-03-2006, 03:38 PM
It bugs me two when you stink and you spend 10 minutes chasing some one around and you finally hit in hard and set there plane ablaze only to have some moron come in behinde you and follow the flaming plane down to steal the kill. And I don't think I'm a point ***** for feeling that way either. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Airmail109
04-03-2006, 04:16 PM
I kill point *****s

I fly right up next to them pretending im being friendly even though they just stole my kill....then WHAM....point blank range...one dead point *****

Whiskey1968
04-04-2006, 02:47 PM
Well, a point w-h-o-r-e i am not, i couldnt care less about the points to tell ya truth. I rather get my wingies back to base safe by clearing their 6's. Thats the game for me.

Watching someone dive in on a a/c i just shot doesnt bother me either, especially if they are still shooting at my wingy. What is bad are the others shooting wingless planes, burning fighters about to hit ground. that is what i am talkin about and that only.

Whiskey out

VF2_Sarge
04-04-2006, 04:45 PM
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I agree with you Whiskey...shoot the enemy down...who care about the stupid points, I didn't even realize that there was a point system until a couple of months ago....BTW, I'm not good enough to be a point-*****...thats why I fly private server campaigns. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

CornbreadPattie
04-04-2006, 05:12 PM
I am not a great pilot but I have been getting fed up with people on my own sides shooting over my shoulder and trying to get the bandit.


...... The only problem is that they RAM ME!!!!

GGRRRRRRRRRR


Thanks for the help you inane clowns!

VW-IceFire
04-04-2006, 05:17 PM
Its been bad...its been worse...it seems to come in waves. I nearly completely flipped out on someone a few weeks ago. Thats when I realized I needed a bit of a vacation...but the idiot was shooting me to hit the get infront. He then lambasted me in the chat because it was his kill or some such nonesense (I'd been fighting this particular bandit for sometime from a complete draw to advantage for me so it was a battle hard earned).

Pure idiots out there. But consider that they are in probably the top 25 percentile for gaming intelligence as sims aren't easy to play. Makes you fearful for the rest of the human race...

Anyways...there isn't much we can do. Screaming at them doesn't work (I've tried), telling them politely doesn't work, so I'm not sure what you've got to do to beat it into these peoples heads. They are purely out for scoring kills and getting "glory" and thats it.

Of course...I guess this is historic...this sort of thing happened in the real war too.

BaronUnderpants
04-04-2006, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
Yes, I've noticed it even on the better online servers.

Seems there are a lot of folks crossing over to the "full difficulty" servers of late who are lost without their little arrows. Been playing the game for years and they never bothered to learn how to ID aircraft by their shape/profile.

Amazing.

Or they just are point wh0res...

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IF one flies FR servers it helps if u can TRACK and SEE the planes to begin with. If u cant...your nothing more than a flying target drone and are there just for a select fews target practice session. Thats why a lot of people prefer the little arrow. Something to think about http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

As for the topic starter.........yes, i think it got worse, people just dont care anymore it seems, squads/ people running servers included.
On the other hand its a dubbleedged sowrd.....on the one hand u have the puts blazing away at a wingless, smoking, burning ac caught in a flatspin, formely know as "your kill" (points in stats has nothing to do with it) on the other han u have the "person" blazing away at a B-25 with his Spits 2x20 mm, bearly managing to scare some smoke out from 1 engine screaming "killstealer" when u swoop in with your FW/BF blowing the bombers wing of (if u hit right). Makes u wonder whos is what?

hotspace
04-04-2006, 05:48 PM
I (Or should I say we) get this alot on our server because play tend to in wimp mode (It's cos were pissed most of the time, so we find it hard to even find the chairs we sit on sometimes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif) and because of this we tend to get the Smegheads who can't fly on 'Full Real' from time 2 time (Most who join us from other squads have a great time I must say as they love flying the A.I Aircraft http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif)have to vulch or kill steal - it happened to me last sunday and I was best say, but bit miffed shall I say http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

LEBillfish
04-04-2006, 05:52 PM
Frankly I think you guys are just flying the wrong sort of servers............

First off, though it's great if they keep score and show results, immediately they become point ***** magnets....In kind they also encourage good players to change their mindset. Secondly, coops frankly or even these war game servers are great as they insist a particular mission is flown, each needing to do their job for success.....Rarely do they have anything to do with wave after wave of fighters just killing other fighters.

If I might suggest look into flying or even if you can hosting coops......Or put together a squadron of independants and participate in some of these VOW, IS, etc. war mission tournaments........I can promise you you'll find them much more rewarding and often like a single player campaign....

That is unless you're a point ***** http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Snow_Wolf_
04-04-2006, 06:30 PM
yes i notice it too lastnight i was flying a Ki-61 yes the otus rocks chase down a P-38 was shooting at it an a A6m zero cuts right in front of my gunsite and starts shooting at him i didn't stop shooting and toasted the Zero and that 38...

slo_1_2_3
04-04-2006, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Frankly I think you guys are just flying the wrong sort of servers............

First off, though it's great if they keep score and show results, immediately they become point ***** magnets....In kind they also encourage good players to change their mindset. Secondly, coops frankly or even these war game servers are great as they insist a particular mission is flown, each needing to do their job for success.....Rarely do they have anything to do with wave after wave of fighters just killing other fighters.

If I might suggest look into flying or even if you can hosting coops......Or put together a squadron of independants and participate in some of these VOW, IS, etc. war mission tournaments........I can promise you you'll find them much more rewarding and often like a single player campaign....

That is unless you're a point ***** http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
I agree with you on that I don't care what my score is I'm usually looking for fun but sometimes if I can get in one I'll do co-op's Remember I flew in one you were in the other night and a frickin Ai plane killed me but it was still fun cause people weren't crashing in to me tryin to kill something before I could which when that happens is when it realy makes me mad.

knightflyte
04-04-2006, 11:36 PM
If *****s give it away, so to speak, then shouldn't the proper term be 'point johns' instead of point *****s?

Johns are the ones seeking to SCORE.

JG53Hunter
04-04-2006, 11:53 PM
Just yesterday, flying on a eastern front 1941 server i was shot at in my plane from someone of my team. He was in an F2/F4 modell and i was flying a Bf109 E7/B (!) - Only thing with rectangular wing design on the whole server. (Markings on) Luckyly i wasnt damage bad and where able to rtb.

So new pilots must first learn to identify their foe before they start shooting. Fundemental thingy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Greetings
Hunter

JG53Frankyboy
04-05-2006, 01:38 AM
the fightercombat on open dogfightservers are in 90% "only" WW1 like low level turnfights.
and every one want the kill, nobody, or few, care the teamwork.

short experience of yesterday at Winds of War (no offence agaisnt his server !!):
- i was in a low fight with a IL2, flying the Mc200 ( http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ). its not easy to shoot down this plane with the SAFATs. but i stayed alwasy behing him - than a Bf109F4 comes from above, passed me close, and fired at the IL2.

- i was in a Ki43 behind a P-4o, we made already some moves and had a nice fight. i managed to hit him already . than a dman Zero flew in my fireline and opend fire on the P-40 - i brake away !

- than i saw 6, six ! , Zeros low behind ONE P-40 . i left the server http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


and also you cant fly high YoYos to stay behind your foe. if you do that most times another block is firing at your target. most times than i also brake.
actually i fly seldom fighters on such servers, often im to annoyed in what im seeing there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif , so i fly groundassault..........


Teamwork, tactical awareness and such things i only saw the last 5 years in coop based online wars and closed dogfight events.
i also miss fighting higher than 1000m http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
very seldom on these Airquake things, very often in COOP missions - intercepting bomberformations in alts above 6000m you will never see in Dogfightservers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


flying online on Dogfightservers, as good they are made from their admins, and COOP based on,linewars are two totaly different things !

Brain32
04-05-2006, 04:42 AM
Lately on WarClouds I find myself in fights over 5000-6000m more often then not. I don't know why people think that DF servers are low-level furballs. How that happens? You have ground targets as an objective, bombers come low (1000-2000m) with their escorts, so you have to come higher, but they have even higher support, so somebody needs to deal with them to so esentially you have a fight over or near the target area that spreads from deck to over 7000m, so it's your choice where do you wan't to be, yesterday we were chasing Ta152's at 9000m http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif As for the kill stealers I have a special treatment, most of them are noob or unexpirienced flyers following you around. So I don't say a thing, I let them follow me into enemy territory get as close to the enemy base I can without the flak shooting, and I loose them in the clouds leaving them there alone. Last time I did that to one guy he had 6 FW's on him, completely alone http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

R988z
04-05-2006, 05:10 AM
Another annoying thing is when you're groundpounding in bomber or attack aircraft and you're supposed 'escorts' all suddenly go off chasing one target all squabbling over one, usually damaged by that stage, aircraft, in the meantime, the attack aircraft gets jumped by two or three enemy fighters and shot down. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

The absolute worst people though, are those who deliberately shoot down their teammates for fun, there aren't many but they are around usually they are such cowards that they wait until you're landing on finals with gear down before attacking so you can't return fire. I think they only do it because they are so **** they can't fly well at all, and they find it so amusing to laugh about it on the chat bar.

I caught up with one of these clowns in a server a while ago when he was trying to be a serious flier for once and flew right up behind him, gave a quick half second burst to let him know I was there and reminded him who I was, he panicked and twisted and turned all over the place desperate to get away, I just sat on his tail all the time laughing my head off like a maniac, giving him the odd burst to remind him I was there. I didn't shoot him down, just made him swaet for a while. Not much fun when the tables are turned is it, revenge is so sweet http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

jasonbirder
04-05-2006, 05:26 AM
No offence to the guys that enjoy this stuff...but when i read a thread like this it completely puts me off flying online
"Points *****s" "Kill Stealers" shooting down team mates to "get them back" - whats this all about...
It wouldnt be so bad if the game development hadn't bent over backwards adressing issues that are important to online flyers...(FMs/New Flyables) rather than issues that affect offliners (AI Visibility etc)
Whilst the AI has issues - at least in a well constructed static campaign I know i'll be flying a historical planeset - with "realistic" missions and a genuine objective rather than just a free for all...
I don't really fly online in FB/AEP/PF so i'm only talking second hand here but I do fly F4 online alot and its all co-op missions - with proper formation flying - designated roles for different flights (Escort/SEAD/Strike etc) and good comms in carefully constructed missions - shouldn't FB/AEP/PF try to be a bit more like this...

JG53Frankyboy
04-05-2006, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by jasonbirder:
..............I do fly F4 online alot and its all co-op missions - with proper formation flying - designated roles for different flights (Escort/SEAD/Strike etc) and good comms in carefully constructed missions - shouldn't FB/AEP/PF try to be a bit more like this...

it can be in good designed (mostly handmade) COOP missions - it can realy be a blast than, espacially when on both sides Squads fly against eachother, all on comms !

bogusheadbox
04-05-2006, 06:29 AM
I think it works both ways. And i am not bothered by it really.

I don't give a rats arse about kill stealing. Just so long as that mongrels going to hit the deck.

If i shoot a plane and i see it heavily damaged, but operational. Unless i consider it a threat, i will let it go. I would rather save my ammo to get home on. I don't care if a points ***** or someone that wants to gain experience on an easier kill finishes him off.

I also find that more and more pilots are willing to help out on escort and bombing formations.

One of the last times i was online with our squadran. We took off with a set of about 5 bombers. We were greated by an addition of 3 extra bombers and approx 3+escort fighters that stuck with us (the long way round) to the target. It was an exceptional sight.

But if you really want to compain. The only MAJOR PEEV (and boy does it CLUCK me off to the max) is the jockeys that gun it on the taxi way. Or pull out onto the runway from the apron half way down. Don't look left or right, and suddenly as they power up for take off, find a bomber chewing off their tail with their props.

In the worst moment ever. I lined up on the runway. Waited until clear. Started to take off. As i reached half way down, some idiot burns onto the runway without looking and we collide.

I line up again, roll for take off... Some guy firewalls it on the taxi way, wobbles all over the show, comes onto the grass, collides with my wing... we both crash.

I line up again. Roll for take off. Fighter rolls onto runway behind me. Can't be bothered to wait for my bomber to take off. he tries to overtake me while we are taking off. We collide.

I log off for the night.

Now that is something to complain about !!!!!

msalama
04-05-2006, 06:56 AM
Now that is something to complain about !!!!!

It indeed is. Happened to me a week ago or so at UkDed1 (IIRC) as well. I was a Sturmo - my main ride still - taxiing to the RWY with all lights on when some weenie crashed into my tail going full blast on the taxiway... Needless to say I gave him some verbal after the incident http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Those ijits should be banned everywhere IMO! Because hey, if you want to be a combat pilot then at least have the discipline for taking off properly fergadssakes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

JG52Uther
04-07-2006, 02:12 AM
This is why I try to fly either co-ops,or online wars.Not perfect,but better.

Hoatee
04-07-2006, 04:05 AM
My most sinscere apologies to all who may have been offended by my 'behaviour' but :

1. I have crashed twice into friendlies on take off. It's hard in a 09 to see in front of you, for example. So when I crashed into someone while taking off to defend the Tirpitz, it was definitely not deliberate, I assure you.

2. Another definitely not done deliberately dastardly deed is shooting at friendlies - it's hard to see sometimes, especially when you think you are trying clear somebody's six by shooting from a distance.

3. After reading some of the above posts, I'm not so sure about being shot down by the enemy anymore as maybe a friendly stabbed me in the back just to 'get me back'.

4. For point scoring, go and play WWIIonline where you have to earn them in order to be able to fly certain planes. Flying online here involves achieving the mission goals - and access to aircraft is only restricted by the mission designer (who hopefully has some respect for historical facts).

Bearcat99
04-07-2006, 07:54 AM
Yeah especially from the AI.....

Seriously.. I think this is because we have an influx of new players.... if server admins just kicked people who flew in an unproffesional way.. like not waiting thier turn to take off..... taxiing into people because they arent waiting.. etc... then they would get the message.

msalama
04-07-2006, 09:04 AM
then they would get the message.

Yep. And another thing is when some FW-flying a**ehole with absolutely no gunnery skills at all uses frikkin' 15 MINUTES to get your Sturmo like Swiss cheese by repeated - and f**ked-up - attacks, and when you finally bail he then of course shoots your parachute-hanging a**e down because you evaded him pretty well and defended yourself skillfully http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Happened to me the other day as well @ Gennadich...

There sure are some low-life slimebags around the DF rooms nowadays http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

msalama
04-07-2006, 09:15 AM
Hoatee,

No need to apologize IMO, because we all make mistakes all the time! I recently crashed into a friendly during takeoff myself, just because my SA wasn't up to the task that day... needless to say I of course apologized profusely after the incident and said IL2WAR mission was just restarted. NP http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It's just when some ppl deliberately ignore the rules that you see me blowing my top http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Because as BC said, at least have the decency to fly / act _professionally_ if you want to call yourself an aviator of any sort. Virtual or otherwise...

Kajun442
04-07-2006, 09:54 AM
To progress in COD you have to go through boot camp. It would be great if a interactive flight school was a mandatory part of the game and/or Hyperlobby membership. It could include how to taxi,take off,land and air combat etiquette. My advice to anyone giving up on online, try different servers till you find one you like. UKD-1&2 are my favorites, friendly people with good maps and ground targets. My advice to you experts, be patient with newcomers. The "noob" you pi$$ off today might be the ace you need to clear your 6 tomorrow.

Kajun(don't care about points)442

ElAurens
04-07-2006, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by msalama:
Yep. And another thing is when some FW-flying a**ehole with absolutely no gunnery skills at all uses frikkin' 15 MINUTES to get your Sturmo like Swiss cheese by repeated - and f**ked-up - attacks, and when you finally bail he then of course shoots your parachute-hanging a**e down because you evaded him pretty well and defended yourself skillfully http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Happened to me the other day as well @ Gennadich...

There sure are some low-life slimebags around the DF rooms nowadays http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

If total number of pilots are part of the mission goals, then shooting flyers in their parachutes is a valid tactic for winning the match. It's not pretty, but then neither is war.

If mission builders would eliminate pilot count from the win conditions then "chute shooting" would diminish somewhat.

But, if we are down to only needing to "kill" 5 or so enemy pilots to win, then they are more than fair game.