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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 01:30 PM
Ok im inquiring you because well there must be alot of flight sim followers here /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
I've had lots of joysticks up the years, and I think im hammering my 5th now.
The problem with all my joysticks has almost only been slack.
After a while the return to center motion gets slacky and i need to configure deadzone to keep the stick alive.
Now I think I have to invest in a new joystick.
(btw my former ones have been: 2 noname crap ones, logitech extreme digital 3d, thrustmaster fox 2 pro shock, logitech cordless freedom 2.4. In that order).
The thrustmaster got alle crappy the extreme digital got slack aswell as problems with the twisting handle. The cordless is the best one as of yet but is evolving some slack (I HATE SLACK).
Either way, what joystick would you guys recommend?
It can either be a single joystick or joystick/throttle dosn't matter, but i can not afford the HOTAS cougar.
Think $100 is top notch or something.
Thanks for any tips /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 01:30 PM
Ok im inquiring you because well there must be alot of flight sim followers here /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
I've had lots of joysticks up the years, and I think im hammering my 5th now.
The problem with all my joysticks has almost only been slack.
After a while the return to center motion gets slacky and i need to configure deadzone to keep the stick alive.
Now I think I have to invest in a new joystick.
(btw my former ones have been: 2 noname crap ones, logitech extreme digital 3d, thrustmaster fox 2 pro shock, logitech cordless freedom 2.4. In that order).
The thrustmaster got alle crappy the extreme digital got slack aswell as problems with the twisting handle. The cordless is the best one as of yet but is evolving some slack (I HATE SLACK).
Either way, what joystick would you guys recommend?
It can either be a single joystick or joystick/throttle dosn't matter, but i can not afford the HOTAS cougar.
Think $100 is top notch or something.
Thanks for any tips /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 01:32 PM
Saitek X45..... MSFFB2 if you can find one.

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 01:38 PM
the saitek dosn't have any slack problems?
wich of the two would you recommend the most btw http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 01:41 PM
Saitek X45 HOTAS here with a Logitech Strike Force 3D as stick - i got used to the swivel handle lol (addicted even)
hehe

I'm thinking of turning the Saitek stick into a button box



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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 01:49 PM
button box?
i think i can get hold of a ms ffb2, but some more input here please, wich one? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 04:37 PM
Get a CH Fighterstick. It will never wear out! Ask any CH user if they will ever go back to something else.

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 04:48 PM
ch?

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 04:55 PM
Photon__ wrote:
- ch?
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Follow this link:

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 04:57 PM
lol you ought to be kidding me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ¨
that thing looks like my first joystick

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 05:06 PM
Photon__ wrote:
- lol you ought to be kidding me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ¨
- that thing looks like my first joystick



There's no joke here, i assure you.

If you want absolute quality, either you fork it out for a Cougar+Pedals, or you get a CH Joystick+TQS+Pedals.


Either one, its the safest bet you'l ever make, for the rest of your Flight Sim days.

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 05:16 PM
resev wrote:
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- If you want absolute quality, either you fork it out
- for a Cougar+Pedals, or you get a CH
- Joystick+TQS+Pedals.
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He meant to say:

If you want bragging rights, you fork it out for the couger+pedals and then your fork it out for mods to make the thing work.

With the cougar, there is a lot of forking going on.

The X45 has too much slop around center and requires a lot of specialized skill to fix it. I have one and don't recomend it.

I had a MS precision pro a long time ago and it was not too bad. If its quality is indicative of the FFB2's, get the FFB2. Best Buy has them for $60 now.

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 05:27 PM
Photon wrote:
-lol you ought to be kidding me ¨
that thing looks like my first joystick


You buy joysticks for looks?

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 05:35 PM
If you get a stick by Microsoft, get the force feedback one. But less Microsoft, the better.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 05:51 PM
I have a Cougar HOTAS and the control input is much more precise than the Saitek X-45. You can map the input curve exactly the way you like it and it has not developed any "slack" over the year I have been using it. It feels very stiff at first but after getting used to it, everything else feels cheap & flimsy. Maybe because it is. BTY I have done no modifictions to it and have never had any problems with buttons, pots or anything else. I have CH PRO pedals attached (not USB). @ $400 all together it ain't cheap but your 3 other sticks would cost as much.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 06:02 PM
actually microsoft is losing money with their game peripherals so they stopped the production. I have a MSFF2 and I like it very much. The quality and precision are ok.
guess what : today I bought a second one, just to be sure that if the first breaks, I still got a new one. A friend of mine called me stupid. Maybe, but for 50 Euros, this was a good deal.

First I was tempted by the saitek X45 but it's overdesigned, has no FFB, seems to lack precision...
The only good thing with the X45 is the thrust lever which I could need, but 120 euros for that, and I don't even know if I can use together with the FFB2.

conclusion, MSFFB2 is my choice.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 06:28 PM
jayarbro wrote:
- I have a Cougar HOTAS and the control input is much
- more precise than the Saitek X-45.

Prove it.

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 06:33 PM
My recommendation is an X45 for the throttle and a MS FF2 stick. (The X45 stick does get slack but you will be using the MS stick instead)

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 06:36 PM
yeah that's a good idea, but can I use the X45 throttle without the joystick ?

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 06:44 PM
I have one of these;

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Logitech Freedom 2.4 Ghz Cordless
* 10 buttons (18 commands when one button is assigned as a shift)
* Smooth heavy metal throttle design
* Twisty handle for rudder control
* Cordless
* $50.00-60.00 U.S.

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 06:45 PM
The X45 is a good system keep in mind it does not have good spacing between the trigger and the gaurd arround it. That is the biggest downfall to it for those of us with a fairly large hand.

However Saitek does make other good sticks such as the Cyborg 3d gold usb which I have had 3 years (without any problems) or you could go for the new version which I also have as I wanted a new stick just because, which is the EVO.

http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/cyborg_evo.htm

Either of these sticks have performed great for me and I highly recommend them, also they are economical for the simmer who wants a good stick but also wants to save some money.


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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 06:56 PM
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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:02 PM
I've always used the Logitech WingMan (Attack2). I've used it for a year, never had any problems, never any slack. The thing I like the best is that the stick only cost $19.99 at Freys--cheaper than a Mexican ******.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:09 PM
PF_Talus wrote:
- Photon wrote:
--lol you ought to be kidding me ¨
- that thing looks like my first joystick
-
-
- You buy joysticks for looks?
-
- You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
- Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
- Sneak home and pray you'll never know
- The hell where youth and laughter go.
--Sigfreid Sassoon- Suicide in the Trenches
-

No i do not buy them for looks, but more advanced joysticks have a tendancy to look better aswell.
Those sticks reminded me of my first very crappy stick, and therefore i reckoned it was a joke :P

Either way i don't think i can afford both a MS FFB2 and a saitek for the throttle :P
So i think i have to go for one or the other, and since some1 here stated the saitek developed slack i think i might go for the FFB2

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:39 PM
- The X45 has too much slop around center and requires
- a lot of specialized skill to fix it.

Not sure what fix you have in mind here, Baldie. I only know simple, trivial tweaks. Care to expand?

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:40 PM
Logitechs rudder mechanism fails, ( in every case I know of mine was in 2 months, others took a year), I went through 3 X-45s in short order for various quality issues (cable died, and had a strange foil used which made it hard to fix on my own, buttons died on teh brand new one, then teh replacement as well) all this while under warranty (though they charge me nearly 1/2 I paid for it to get it shipped and returned so I decided I am done with them). A large number of the guys in my squad have Cougars. . . just ask anyone about all the mods and pot replacements that they must do typically within a year of use for an otherwise awesoem stick.

If I had it to do over again I would buy a CH throttle stick and rudder pedals, I still have one from 1986 and it works perfectly. They arent cheap, but after you buy and get used to 6 other sticks I think the CH is a bargain. This isnt as cool as the cougar seemed, and is about the same price, but the quality and durability is there to justify the price.


I also have the CH pedals and Yoke which I use for GA sims, and sometimes the Bombers in FB.



As an aside, and I make no claim that this wont destroy your stick, but for any current logitech stick owners that have a dead/spiking rudder pot, try going to your auto parts store and getting some dilectric grease, and place a dollop on the pot. I pulled the stick out of the trash and said what teh heck. . it cant hurt. . and it seems to work pretty good now. . .for my girlfriend ;-)


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