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ChivasRox
01-08-2009, 10:03 AM
Hey guys!

Got my TrackIR setup yesterday and am focusing on getting the Fighterstick set up. The main goal (for now) is to get the axis sensitivity settings right, as slight movements near the center give too much response in game. Since my Stick is #2 in the list under game controllers, the in game settings of the axis that I tried to make aren't affected. As I've been nosing around M4T, it seems like I have a few options:

1- Install the CH software and use it for all adjustments and programming. Probably the best option from things I've read, but for some reason, I've always hated installing controller software for I've always experienced more problems than satisfaction. It sounds as if the 'newer' CH software may be better.

2. Download IL2-Joycontrol. Again, I'd have to use another program to set up the Fighterstick. This might be the best for IL2, but what about programming for other sims? I would think that I would be better off to use CH software, as it would apply to all games/sims and can make profiles for each. I like easy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

3. Lastly, and what seems easiest http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif , just change the axis sensitivity numbers (10 numbers) in the config.ini file as explained in the setup guide at M4T. For instance, here's Oleg's settings:

Oleg Maddox:
Roll: 1 3 6 12 21 32 44 61 81 100
Pitch: 1 4 8 15 24 33 44 60 77 100
Yaw: 0 10 19 32 43 54 63 74 86 100

So what do you guys think? Appreciate any help you can give me.

ChivasRox
01-08-2009, 10:03 AM
Hey guys!

Got my TrackIR setup yesterday and am focusing on getting the Fighterstick set up. The main goal (for now) is to get the axis sensitivity settings right, as slight movements near the center give too much response in game. Since my Stick is #2 in the list under game controllers, the in game settings of the axis that I tried to make aren't affected. As I've been nosing around M4T, it seems like I have a few options:

1- Install the CH software and use it for all adjustments and programming. Probably the best option from things I've read, but for some reason, I've always hated installing controller software for I've always experienced more problems than satisfaction. It sounds as if the 'newer' CH software may be better.

2. Download IL2-Joycontrol. Again, I'd have to use another program to set up the Fighterstick. This might be the best for IL2, but what about programming for other sims? I would think that I would be better off to use CH software, as it would apply to all games/sims and can make profiles for each. I like easy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

3. Lastly, and what seems easiest http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif , just change the axis sensitivity numbers (10 numbers) in the config.ini file as explained in the setup guide at M4T. For instance, here's Oleg's settings:

Oleg Maddox:
Roll: 1 3 6 12 21 32 44 61 81 100
Pitch: 1 4 8 15 24 33 44 60 77 100
Yaw: 0 10 19 32 43 54 63 74 86 100

So what do you guys think? Appreciate any help you can give me.

Chris0382
01-08-2009, 10:54 AM
I set everything to 100 and then use the CH Control Mnager settings to adjust axis sensitivity. I feel they are both the same but its easier to adjust setting in the control manager rather than change numbers int the game settings.

jayhall0315
01-08-2009, 01:14 PM
Hello Viffer - I would do as CH recommends and install CM 4.20 (Windows XP) or 4.30 (Vista) and then plug in your Fighterstick and other CH products to USB ports. I would then calibrate each CH controller with CM and save that. Then make or load any maps if you want. CM does not allow (as far as I can tell, correct me if I am wrong Chris) for setting up a specific axis along an damped e^x exponential type curve. CM only allows damped curves (not exponentials) and an exponential curve is what you want, like for roll, you may want 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100.

For other games like LOMAC you will have to use their in-game config files but with IL2 I would use IL2 JoyControl, since it is much faster than manually editing the conf.ini file. I have the Fighterstick, ProThrottle (modded by Ken King to be a Franken Potato) and recently got the Pro Pedals (which I dont use for dogfighting) and have the following settings thru Joy Control:

Roll 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 66, 73, 80, 90, 100
Pitch 35, 40, 45, 50, 56, 62, 70, 80, 90, 100
Yaw (if done with the mini-joystick of the Pro Throttle) 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100

Yaw (if done with the Pro Pedals) 3, 9, 17, 27, 38, 50, 63, 75, 88, 100

(this allows you to use the rudder to keep the cross hairs over someone with high percision, but their is more of an exponential needed if using the Pro Pedals due to the opposing displacement springs).

You can also read this guide I wrote on Joystick Setup for IL2:

http://files.filefront.com/New...91841;/fileinfo.html (http://files.filefront.com/Newbies+Joystick+22pdf/;12691841;/fileinfo.html)

I have personally used and tested the CH stuff, the Saitek X-52 and the Thrustmaster Cougar. The CH stuff is the most precise and no deadband or filtering is needed. The response curves above are for the average plane (say the Ki-84b). If I were flying a plane with a tendency to snap roll (say the Spit 25 lbs) I would decrease the pitch exponential a bit and if I was flying a stable plane (like the La-7), I would linearize the curves a little bit more to make things more responsive.

The CH stuff is good product, you will be happy once you get it setup to your liking.

Jay

VMF-214_HaVoK
01-08-2009, 03:57 PM
I have Fighterstick, Pro Throttle, and Pro Pedals. The settings I use:

Roll- 30 38 46 53 61 69 77 84 92 100 (Linear)

Pitch- 30 38 46 53 61 69 77 84 92 100 (Linear)

Yaw- 10 14 18 24 33 42 54 68 83 100 (Curved)

I would definitely use the utility IL2 Joycontrol to adjust your settings. Its terrific.

S!

BGs_Ricky
01-09-2009, 03:10 AM
I just got a Fighterstick the other day, I first tested it with the same curve (exponential starting at very low values) I had for my X-45 but found that with the the Fighterstick it didn't give me enough authority. I set all back to 100 and it feels much better, just a bit too sensitive. With the X-45 and all at 100 I would stall all the time.
I'll try something like jayhall and Havok have posted and see how it feels http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Chris0382
01-09-2009, 08:01 AM
For those or all that use in game settings, what do you use for the gain-response curves in the CH-Manager. Do you use 45 degree angles (slope) or do you change that also adding a 3rd or 4th variable into the flight controls ?

Tully__
01-10-2009, 03:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Viffer35:
...it seems like I have a few options:

...

2. Download IL2-Joycontrol. Again, I'd have to use another program to set up the Fighterstick. This might be the best for IL2, but what about programming for other sims? I would think that I would be better off to use CH software, as it would apply to all games/sims and can make profiles for each. I like easy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

3. Lastly, and what seems easiest http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif , just change the axis sensitivity numbers (10 numbers) in the config.ini file as explained in the setup guide at M4T. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

These two options are the same. The IL2JoyControl program is a tool for editing the conf.ini settings with a graphical interface instead of having to play with a bunch of numbers in notepad. IL2Sticks (also available at M4T IIRC) does much the same thing.