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Skarphol
08-14-2009, 03:59 PM
Hi!

A Bf-109 G-2 (Werke nr. 14649, IV/JG5, Gelbe 3) has been found by a ROV on 60m deep outside Norway. The plane is seemingly in good shape, standing on its nose.

The plane got into engine trouble on march 24 1943 and ditched in the water. The pilot, Gunter Seraphim survived, but probably got killed in another plane crash on April 10 1945 at Schweringen.

Here is a Norwegian newspaper article about it, with a film from the wreakage. (The film starts with about 10 seconds of commercial).

http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/...g/article1366357.ece (http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/nordtrondelag/article1366357.ece)

Raising the plane is beeing considered.

Skarphol

danjama
08-14-2009, 04:04 PM
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Friendly_flyer
08-14-2009, 04:08 PM
I've made a translation from another article in a local newspaper. The two articles basically say the same:

Here is the German fighter!
Local divers found fighter that fell during the War in Outer Namdalen


The aeroplane is a Messerschmitt Bf 109 and was found north of Vika in Northwern Trønderlag. It was discovered by a mini-sub, to great jubilations by the finders. - “It’s incredible, we just sat in silence for two minutes.”, says Hilfred Mikalsen of teh Folla Divers Club to Norwegian Broad Casting.

Well preserved
The fighter crashed in February 1943. Together with two other machines, it was heading North on reconnaissance whet it got engine problems over Rørvik. - “The plane went into a dive, but the pilot managed to pull out right before it hit water. He was saved by a local woman who lived at a nearby island.” Mikalsen explains.

The plane is well preserved, despite 60 years in the sea. “We have seen several plane wrecks, but non this whole. We were very exited.” Says Mikalsen.


Thorough search
People have been looking for the plane for years, says Mikalsen who have been involved since 1983. - “We have been diving and dredging, and it is a very big area, and different versions of the story to go by. The mini-sub has sonar, and made it s lot easier”.
Even with modern equipment, it took 6-7 hours to find the wreck.

Valuable find
Birger Larsen is conservator at the National Aeroplane Museum in Bodø, and says the find is very valuable. They are presently restoring a plane of the same type. - “From the video pictures, it seems we can use part from this plane, but we won’t know before the wreck is salvaged.” says Larsen.

He explains that aircraft wrecks from the war are the property of the State, in this case the Museum of Defence in Oslo. They have said they are not interested in this plane.

Larsen hopes salvaging can start soon, but don’t know when. - “Salvaging a plane is a major project. We would like to start as soon a possible, but it depends on weather, people to help and economy.”

Want to see it in Bodø
Hilfred Mikalsen hopes the plane is salvaged and the parts exhibited at the museum in Bodø. “That would have been great. We all want it there.”

- “What will you look for now that the plane has been found?”

- “There’s allways something to find, there will be more trips!” says Mikalsen of Folla Divers Club.

zxwings
08-14-2009, 07:27 PM
That's a wonderful discovery!


Birger Larsen is conservator at the National Aeroplane Museum in Bodø,...says the find is very valuable. They are presently restoring a plane of the same type. - “From the video pictures, it seems we can use part from this plane.”

They have said they are not interested in this plane.

Sounds like a drunken conservator.

Skarphol
08-15-2009, 01:22 AM
Originally posted by zxwings:
Sounds like a drunken conservator.

He might of course have been drunken, but he is representing the museum in Bodø. The official owner of all undiscovered wrecks, The Defence Museum in Oslo, is not interrested in salvaging this wreck. So; Bodø wants it, Oslo is not interrested.

Just to clear things up. :-D

Skarphol

AllorNothing117
08-15-2009, 01:45 AM
if that's seemingly good shape I dread to think what seemling bad shape looks like :s

Friendly_flyer
08-15-2009, 02:01 AM
Here's one in bas shape:

http://www.bbm.org.uk/images/holmes-5b.jpg

Remains of Ray Holmes Hurricane that fell over London after ramming a Dornier, 1940.

DuxCorvan
08-15-2009, 03:02 AM
Anemones and sea urchins look comfortable and happy in their weird home. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

mortoma
08-17-2009, 01:10 AM
If that plane is in good shape then I must be in good shape.

iL2fan
08-17-2009, 09:10 AM
Will the G2 be lifted up from water, restord, and flyable? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Freiwillige
08-17-2009, 02:29 PM
Maybe, It is in great shape conservatively speaking. I mean the paints still on so corrosion has been at a minimum. Still will require a full stripping down to nuts and bolts and rebuilding using what can be saved. You would be amazed at how much including the engine they can make workable again money and time allowing.

Skarphol
08-18-2009, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by Freiwillige:
You would be amazed at how much including the engine they can make workable again money and time allowing.

I Absolutely agree!
Look for example of these two pictures of an Argus engine beeing rebuilt for a Fi-156 Storch project in Norway:
The engine as found outdoors in 1994:
http://www.storch.no/bilder/pr...irkenesca1989big.jpg (http://www.storch.no/bilder/progress/Kirkenesca1989big.jpg)

The engine now: (Work in progess)
http://www.storch.no/bilder/progress/engine3big.jpg

Take a look at www.storch.no (http://www.storch.no) for more info on this project.

As for the Bf-109 G-2 I find it very unlikely that it will be used for anything other than spareparts, and certainly not made flyable. The corrosion on spars and vital parts will make that virtually impossible without rebuilding the whole thing; thus makeing it a new plane.

Skarphol