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Hristos
05-30-2005, 01:58 AM
OK, every now and then somebody jumps on "energy modelling is off" wagon. This seems to be very easy to do, as even the noobest of us are very likely to resort to it.

Personally, I never participated in such discussions, much less said anything close to "energy modellin of XXX plane is off".

But I'm eager to know.

So, to the uninformed - what exactly is off and why ? How is energy modeling of a certain plane worse than that of another plane ? Examples and tracks are welcome.

Monson74
05-30-2005, 02:23 AM
Because I have never flown a WWII fighter I feel less than qualified to participate in such debates & quite frankly I would appreciate a more humble approach on the subject from my fellow simmers. What we have is data from books & the internet (which seem to differ) but we don't have the "feel" of it - only the actual veterans do & they are becoming fewer - sadly. In my experience 99.9999% of the times I fail to succeed in this or that plane it's because I fly it beyond its limits - in other words: I scr*w things up! My wild guess is that this applies for everyone & we really can't blame the hardware... What makes a good pilot is knowing the limitations of the a/c more than the capabilities - I'm still researching this matter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

jurinko
05-30-2005, 02:49 AM
from reality: "when pulling from (equal) high speed into a steep climb, Fw 190 A-3 leaves the Spitfire MkV with ease"

from FB virtual reality: "never try this at home"

Cajun76
05-30-2005, 03:15 AM
Originally posted by jurinko:
from reality: "when pulling from (equal) high speed into a steep climb, Fw 190 A-3 leaves the Spitfire MkV with ease"

from FB virtual reality: "never try this at home"

I usually don't mind if other planes have a better rate of climb than my P-47, it gives them the overshoot factor, sitting pretty in front of me if they go vertical. Just because you can physically do something, doesn't mean you should do it in combat. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Besides, the report is very vague. Steep climb might only be 45-60 degrees.

JG5_UnKle
05-30-2005, 03:30 AM
I think most of the issues are with how certain aircraft retain energy.

You can perform some rather "optimistic" moves in the sim. Real-life flying experience helps but I'm sure anyone with a basic understanding of the physics of flight can see when something is off.

In the new patch we will have a new FM, so I guess that means the current FM is wrong http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif and then we get another patch with another FM which is less wrong than the last one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Go figure.....