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han freak solo
10-23-2005, 07:49 AM

JtD
10-23-2005, 08:16 AM
Does it matter if it's the Buffalo, the F2A-2 or B-239?

I know when I started flying that little thing in my Finnish campaign I had some troubles, but now I seem to do alright.

D13th_Toppy
10-23-2005, 08:24 AM
ok... the first time i flew this bird in 4.02 and in some time... just did 10 of these, all 10 were succesfull. I haven't encountered any "special" troubles... the only thing i noticed it that it bumps a little when the wheels touch the ground... nasty, but nothing uncontrollable... I used full landing flaps, radiators fully open, prop pitch 100%, 200-250km/h on final, touch down around 160 km/h, then when the tailwheel sticked on the ground, elevator trim fully up and start tapping the brakes... If you have difficulties, it might a joystick problem.

p-11.cAce
10-23-2005, 08:25 AM
I don't see how it is a difficult airplane to land - then again I love landing the 153, 163, and BI1 - IMHO the 3 hardest planes to land consitently.

han freak solo
10-23-2005, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by JtD:
Does it matter if it's the Buffalo, the F2A-2 or B-239?

I know when I started flying that little thing in my Finnish campaign I had some troubles, but now I seem to do alright.

I haven't tested them to see if they fly differently or not. My results were from the B-239 in a Finnish campaign, too.

I know a thunderstorm made one of my landings impossible for me. Snapped the gear clean off, again! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

HoneySeeker
10-23-2005, 03:47 PM
Does it matter what my landing gear ends up attached *to*?

jds1978
10-23-2005, 04:17 PM
Does it matter what my landing gear ends up attached *to*?
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

PBNA-Boosher
10-23-2005, 06:54 PM
The Brewster reacts VERY oddly now. From reading everything I can't believe it was this bad of a performer and the Navy still accepted it. It really is a dog to land.

And an aircraft carrier, I can't belive it.

Still, I'm going to keep trying.

AnaK774
10-23-2005, 06:57 PM
Seemed like walk in a park

han freak solo
10-24-2005, 06:07 AM
Originally posted by HoneySeeker:
Does it matter what my landing gear ends up attached *to*?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Attached to the ground without the plane doesn't quite count does it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
Still, I'm going to keep trying.

I gotta tell ya, since I don't usually "fly" the slow ones much, getting the landing speed correct was my biggest difficulty. That and learning not to chop the throttle. HOLY CR@P!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Tully__
10-24-2005, 06:16 AM
It's not that odd, it's just like the original Sturmovik game in some respects. The back side of the power curve is very steep and if you get too slow you have to apply LOTS & LOTS of power to get your speed back. If you're already low and falling short of your touchdown point, you're in deep trouble.

So far two good out of three attempts. It's bedtime, so I'll do the other seven tomorrow.

han freak solo
10-24-2005, 04:24 PM
How about someone else come up with another no practice scenario?

I'm sure I'll do exceptionally poor! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

LameDuck.
10-25-2005, 10:25 AM
I'm ashamed to admit I turtled the first one (albeit with gear still attached) but then I stuck the next 9. D13_Toppy has it, I was crossing the threshhold initially at 190kph and then 170kph as I became more comfortable with it. Skittish little thing, isn't it?

Try it in a P11. IFR landing with no instruments!
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

P.S. Isn't this practice?

Sturm_Williger
10-25-2005, 10:41 AM
Yeah, what Lameduck said - P11 can be very tricky.

Flew it for the first time since about 1.22 last night and snapped the gear off via a very high bounce on t/d.

But the real trick for me was bringing it in - I had to pretend it was a Corsair - couldn't track the runway otherwise.

hugohugo37
10-25-2005, 11:09 AM
This is one of the most popular planes so I'm sure lots of people will laugh at me but I find the Bf-109 one of the hardest to land. I've flown hundreds of missions in it and STILL manage to break off the landing gear with disturbing frequency. By contrast, I am flying the new NE Europe DGEN campaign in a P-47 and can land that thing anywhere anyhow. That would be a good one for a noobie to learn on.

As far as the Buffalo goes, it does bounce and wobble all over the place but I don't usually wrecking the prop and gear and belly as I go grinding down the runway like I do in the 109.

Stackhouse25th
10-25-2005, 11:12 AM
i can do 10 landings in it using the full stall/tail dragger technique.

3 point ldgs...

MLudner
10-25-2005, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by han freak solo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HoneySeeker:
Does it matter what my landing gear ends up attached *to*?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Attached to the ground without the plane doesn't quite count does it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
Still, I'm going to keep trying.

I gotta tell ya, since I don't usually "fly" the slow ones much, getting the landing speed correct was my biggest difficulty. That and learning not to chop the throttle. HOLY CR@P!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, you chop that throttle and the little guy will make you sorry. That's part of what was causing me problems after the 4.01 patch; it was that nasty right roll caused by the reduction of torque when the power is reduced. I kept bouncing into the superstructure.

Hey, what name do you use when flying on-line? A few weeks ago I was flying top cover for someone using either "Han" or "Solo" (Or, both, maybe) in their callsign. I suspected it was you.

Amnio
10-25-2005, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by han freak solo:
How about someone else come up with another no practice scenario?

I'm sure I'll do exceptionally poor! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
Sure, how about trying to land a Val (D3A1) on a carrier while the wings are folded up?
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/129/clippedwingd3a10hr.jpg
It's surprisingly stable, but bleeds speed like there's no tomorrow. However it's still fully possible to land, fly level or even climb while the wings remain folded.

Tip: fold the wings below 200km/h and they won't tear off.

han freak solo
10-25-2005, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by MLudner:
Hey, what name do you use when flying on-line? A few weeks ago I was flying top cover for someone using either "Han" or "Solo" (Or, both, maybe) in their callsign. I suspected it was you.

No it wasn't me. Unfortunately, I have horribly slow dial-up at home. About 28Kbps. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I wish I could camp out at the office and play online. The office has T1 broadband.

han freak solo
10-25-2005, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by LameDuck.:
Try it in a P11. IFR landing with no instruments!
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

P.S. Isn't this practice?

Yeah compared to getting in the real thing, it is practice, huh?

My first Brewster landing experience was with the aforementioned Finnish campaign. The campaign was a shorty by Eurofinn.

I just went into it without learning the B-239 at all. 2 successful landings. 1 skid and thump landing in a thunderstorm. 1 skid and thump landing after getting hit and having a I-153 following me to the airfield. 6 more skid and thump landings due to my own inadequacies.


I've never thought of trying the P-11?! Next test for me! I'll see if I can start a campaign with it.

han freak solo
10-25-2005, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by Amnio:
Sure, how about trying to land a Val (D3A1) on a carrier while the wings are folded up?
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/129/clippedwingd3a10hr.jpg
It's surprisingly stable, but bleeds speed like there's no tomorrow. However it's still fully possible to land, fly level or even climb while the wings remain folded.


Ooooh! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

No tips though! That increases my chance of doing it successfully!

MLudner
10-25-2005, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by han freak solo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MLudner:
Hey, what name do you use when flying on-line? A few weeks ago I was flying top cover for someone using either "Han" or "Solo" (Or, both, maybe) in their callsign. I suspected it was you.

No it wasn't me. Unfortunately, I have horribly slow dial-up at home. About 28Kbps. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I wish I could camp out at the office and play online. The office has T1 broadband. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bummer. Well, someone's using a variation of your handle out there, just without the "Freak" bit. Rats, though, 'cause I thought I had someone out there I actually recognized.
Think about upgrading, then we can get butchered together from time to time...

han freak solo
10-26-2005, 06:47 AM
I just started a P11 campaign last night. 3 missions down. 2 good landings. Except for the forward vision problem, it is easier to land than the B-239 for me. The P11 has a less violent torque reaction, apparently.

Now if I can just shoot down an enemy plane. I only smoked a He-111 after sitting on his @ss for a couple of minutes. I can't even touch the Bf-109 or Bf-110, yet. That's gonna take a lucky head on shot, I guess.

LameDuck.
10-26-2005, 09:45 AM
Yep, and no flaps on the P11 so it's easier to come in too hot. Also, watch out for negative gs in the P11=engine stall.

*edit* The unpowered 163 landings can be fun, though nowhere near as challenging as the Brewster.

jamesdietz
10-26-2005, 10:04 AM
Now landing the Me 163 is really fun ...but haven't tried that since new patch came along...I wonder what your average would be with that bird....?

han freak solo
10-26-2005, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by jamesdietz:
Now landing the Me 163 is really fun ...but haven't tried that since new patch came along...I wonder what your average would be with that bird....?

Good question. I haven't landed it since the Against Overwhelming Odds campaign since before 4.01. I'll put it back on the list!

1. Finish P11 mini-campaign.
2. Try Val folded wing landings on carriers.
3. Try Me-163 landings post patches.

SkyChimp
10-26-2005, 05:42 PM
In real life, Brewsters were notorious for having weak landing gears. Pilots lamented that they had to be set down perfectly or the gears snapped.

han freak solo
10-28-2005, 11:22 PM
70% landing success on the P11 mini-campaign.

That P11 sure has plenty of ammo. D@mn good thing, considering how slow it is.

Next up, the Val tests this weekend. I'm looking forward to having forward vision again.

flakwagen
10-29-2005, 06:22 AM
Originally posted by SkyChimp:
In real life, Brewsters were notorious for having weak landing gears. Pilots lamented that they had to be set down perfectly or the gears snapped.

My grandfather told me it was easy to accidentally spin around (turtling?) while taxiing. He thought it was due to weak brakes and the short wheelbase.

Flak

BaldieJr
10-29-2005, 07:25 AM
Greasers, all 10. Do I get a prize?

han freak solo
10-29-2005, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Greasers, all 10. Do I get a prize?

Maybe.

http://www.sawdoctors.com/images/gallery/PearseBoySlim.jpg

han freak solo
10-30-2005, 06:55 AM
I see that the Val wing fold in flight is a one way operation.

They sucessfully fold at under 200kmh, but extending them under 200kmh rips your wings right off! Oopsie! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

LameDuck.
10-30-2005, 09:42 AM
Greasers, all 10. Do I get a prize?
Which, in the Brewster? That's good work!

I don't have the Val......yet. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Slightly O/T, this thread inspired me to fiddle around with the P.11 and I-153 some more. I took a P.11 against a 109 in QMB with the certainty that it was suicide (with little previous knowledge of the P.11). Knowing that I couldn't out-motor him, I drug him down to the deck and flat-turned him at 150-160kph. This went on for nearly 90 minutes! It was hilarious, I couldn't stop giggling like a little school kid! "Nyeh, nyeh, you can't hit me!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
He finally broke off and ditched, I'm sure from sheer frustration. Great fun! The P.11 doesn't need guns, it can frustrate an opponent to defeat!

han freak solo
10-30-2005, 07:35 PM
Yep, this thread is the only reason I tried out the P11. It was worth it. And like you said, out-turning opponents watching them fail to get a leading shot is pretty d@mn entertaining.

The best fight for me was not against Bf-109s. It was against two I-153s and an I-16. Woohoo! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

han freak solo
10-30-2005, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
I don't see how it is a difficult airplane to land - then again I love landing the 153, 163, and BI1 - IMHO the 3 hardest planes to land consitently.

I'm updating my list.

1. Complete Val folded wing landings on carrier testing. (Only one landing done on one attempt in a new career.)
2. Try Me-163 landings post patches.
3. Check out the I-153 landings. (I've never landed this one.)
4. Check out the BI1 landings. (Or, this one.)

LameDuck.
10-31-2005, 09:38 PM
Is it possible to land on an object, for instance a bridge? I haven't had any success yet, but that's probably my lack of ability.

Tully__
10-31-2005, 11:44 PM
I completed another two landings in the B-239 today without messing it up. Brings the total to 5 with one bad. I need more time in the day, don't get to fly enough.

han freak solo
11-02-2005, 08:40 PM
I'm at 25% for the Val wing tip fold landing. What a b$tch! If I kept at it I could up my percentage now that I've done it. Nah! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Thanks for the challenge Amnio.

http://www.lssdigital.com/ValWingDing.jpg

Skin by Starchilde at http://www.flying-legends.net

han freak solo
11-02-2005, 10:04 PM
With wheels or without? Easy to balance on the main gear with the brakes while slowing down. Cool.

http://www.lssdigital.com/B1landingwheels.jpg
http://www.lssdigital.com/B1landingskis.jpg

(I can't remember who to give credit for the skin.)

LameDuck.
11-03-2005, 04:03 PM
Love the pics of the Val. That's cool.

OK, here's one. The I-16. Is that the one known as Rata? I had time for two, though I almost had a cardiac on the first final. My pulse is almost back to normal now. Give it a go.

Heh heh heh. This game is awesome. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

han freak solo
11-04-2005, 02:23 PM
I love the I-16! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

It's in my top ten list of planes in the game.

It's my number one favorite engine sound in the game!

Yeah, baby! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

1. Bf-109G
2. P-40E
3. I-16
4. Lagg3
5. P-40B/C
6. Beaufighter
7. Bf-110
8. P-47D
9. P-39
10. Ki-61

(This list will change next week. Or, tonight.)

LameDuck.
11-04-2005, 08:26 PM
Wow, that much, huh!? Have you landed one yet? It has a nasty little, er, quirk in the traditional landing checklist. I don't want to spoil it for you if you haven't tried it...?

han freak solo
11-04-2005, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by LameDuck.:
Wow, that much, huh!? Have you landed one yet? It has a nasty little, er, quirk in the traditional landing checklist. I don't want to spoil it for you if you haven't tried it...?

I only have these B-17s for witnesses. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
http://www.lssdigital.com/ratalanding.jpg

I've still have an open campaign career that started the first 30+ missions in the I-16 before getting an "upgrade" to a Mig-3UD. I found out the hard way about the gear before PF was out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

(This skin is by Kevin "Kamikuza" Henry at http://skinz.dojak.com/i16.htm (http://skinz.dojak.com/))