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eddiemac0
02-14-2005, 08:36 PM
Ok, so I'm a little giddy and I want to share it with everyone. Just made ace in a day for the first time over New Guinea in a USAAF P-40, downing 5 Oscars. Well, the cool part, is I had been really struggling to survive on the past few intercept missions. But finally something clicked. I was calm, I always waited until the last second to fire, and I was even making some head way with my deflection shots.

Moral of the story is, practice makes perfect, and don't give up becaues you can only get better! Just love this game!

eddiemac0
02-14-2005, 08:36 PM
Ok, so I'm a little giddy and I want to share it with everyone. Just made ace in a day for the first time over New Guinea in a USAAF P-40, downing 5 Oscars. Well, the cool part, is I had been really struggling to survive on the past few intercept missions. But finally something clicked. I was calm, I always waited until the last second to fire, and I was even making some head way with my deflection shots.

Moral of the story is, practice makes perfect, and don't give up becaues you can only get better! Just love this game!

Saunders1953
02-14-2005, 11:03 PM
Congratulations, Eddiemac! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Perseverence pays off.

This game is just too fun. I had a great experience yesterday escorting B17's leading a squadron of P51's. I held back myself and my flight from going after the bandits and kept them close to the flock. Only engaged my flight when they came in close to the 17's. I sent the other two flights chasing the enemy as conditions called for. It took a lot of restraint for me to hold back from engaging like usual, but I really got a sense of accomplishment when I managed to get 12 of 18 B17's back, and 7 P51's. I was really tense throughout, keeping an eye out and making sure my charges were safe. During the several missions before that no more than 6 bombers made it.

Old_Canuck
02-15-2005, 12:00 AM
Great to see threads like this popping up once in awhile.

And it's good to see people having fun. Been saving a lot of tracks (even some online ones) to watch in my old age. Don't know why but the P-40 is my favorite. Starting to feel an attachment to the F4U these days though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Texas LongHorn
02-15-2005, 12:57 AM
Congrats indeed. With my sig I fly the Texas LongHorn skin in the P-40. I saved the track of my first five-kill mission against Zeros at Ace level. Congrats again, all the best, LongHorn

JG54_Arnie
02-15-2005, 01:47 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


And what do you need to know about rudder? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

EnGaurde
02-15-2005, 01:48 AM
yes indeed, well done.

i recall when i finally figured ou how to win at those 4 p40s vs the Entire Japanese Airforce scramble missions.

its a true reward, especially when you use limited ammo and all the realisms.

my personal favourite was the first time i killed 3 p40s in a furball online in my beloved Zero, despite having my vert stab blown off.

My turns were perfect, my aiming just couldnt miss, sometimes it just all falls in place http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

other times? well, they just make the good times sweeter. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

carguy_
02-15-2005, 02:59 AM
You should try escort missions campaign with the P51.Gives a good idea how it was there back then.

eddiemac0
02-15-2005, 07:42 AM
Rudders? My sig... I need to know everything; I can't use them because my stick don't support that kind of motion, and I've been flying without 'em pretty well, so what are they any good for?

JG54_Arnie
02-15-2005, 08:30 AM
Aiming, steering your plane on the runway. Manouvers that require rudder. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

They help a lot, yes its possible to fly without, but learning to fly with is very helpfull and makes you a better pilot.

And if you want to be succesfull in a BnZ plane like the FW you really cant do without. They help tremendously in deflection shooting! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

LEXX_Luthor
02-15-2005, 09:12 AM
Best use of rudder is fine aiming of weapons against air or ground targets. Rudder also needed to take off without running off the side of the runway (or carrier lol).

eddiemaco if you have 40$, get non~force feedback Racing Wheel with Racing Pedals.

Pedals use phone jack to plug into Wheel, and the Wheel plugs into USB port in computer. Stuff the wheel under your desk face down so it doesn't roll around. Has a long cord so you can place it out of the way.

The racing wheel/pedals I got (Logitech) comes with NO software drivers so you just plug it all in (with Windows running) and go into game and set it up in Input Menu. There is no CD software for the wheel/pedals to mess with. Sweet.

I never could hit any target air or ground until I got the racing pedals. The only problem is in my case the pedals displaced the joystick controller number (or USB device number or something) in the game, and it took a little time to figure out what happened. Fixed it.

Now I too can line up my gunsight on air or ground targets, without paying http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif400$ for "flight sim" rudder pedals.

FoolTrottel
02-15-2005, 03:18 PM
Rudder is also needed if you want to fly a plane as nice and correct as possible: going into a turn, a bit of rudder.... so the ball will stay in the middle....

One other great thing of rudder is the 'side-slip' .
It can be really usefull when needing to land, but speed is too high. Side slip a lot.... Rudder full left, elevator as in right turn.... plane drifts a lot, but stays level, and on course. Due to lot's of draft, you loose a lot of speed.
Tried it in 'Flying Corps' with the WW1 byplanes...it worked... great fun, you really needed this as these planes had no flaps....
Tried it in CFS1... Nice, a Hurricane taking off sideways...(as to say, 'not modelled correctly')
Not sure 'bout IL-2, I've used it, but can't recall if it felt okay... (but must have, as I don't recall http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif )

Best example of this was a large passenger aircraft (747? A310? 737?) once flying a large distance but didn't have enough fuel on board. All engines flamed out, pilot had to glide to land on a small airstrip........ he managed to bring the speed down enough by side slipping a lot... and to bring the plane down in one piece. They made a film of this event... (That pilot was an experienced glider pilot.... and what do they learn when piloting? Optimize your technique, fly as nicely as possible... use the force!)

A different approach to expensive CH pedals, but more comfortable and 'realistic' then racing pedals:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/Rudder1.jpg

Made out of:
- Cheap USB joystick (Trust Predator TH 400)
- Some wood
- The (left)rear wheel ballbearings from a 1974 VW Beetle....
- Left over carpet
- Some screws

Like Luthor said, the biggest trouble was the fact the stick's controllers numbers will change...

Bearcat99
02-15-2005, 04:23 PM
LOL.... Yes it is.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

LEXX_Luthor
02-15-2005, 04:31 PM
Hot dam* that looks like a great idea!

FoolTrottel:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/Rudder1.jpg
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanx

carguy_
02-15-2005, 05:07 PM
Whoa!Nice work there!

eddiemac0
02-15-2005, 06:42 PM
wait, I can't see anything Trottel...

So, will I have the rocking back and forth effect that occurs when I use x and z for rudder with pedals or a z-axis stick? What I mean is, I push x, and the rudder moves the plane...I let go, and the plane jerks back teh other way... what is that?

RxMan
02-15-2005, 07:44 PM
Lets see if I can explain it for you.
You are flying straight heading 0 degrees, keeping wings level, you push right rudder, your nose turns to say 5 degrees, but you are still flying at 0 degress. You will gradually fly to 5 but then your nose is at 10. So you are aerodynamically crocked to the air flow, if you release you will resume the -5 degree which will feel like a wooble. With a one engine plane rudder is needed fpr taxing, much more controllable with pedals than keyboard, extremely important on small strips, i.e. carrier decks. Quick rudder control can give you a shot you would otherwise miss: a headon pass with a small horizontal offset, use rudder to snap off a shot, you better because he will, and with a little luck you'll use that golden BB. There's more, so much more, why do you think they have them in real planes?

eddiemac0
02-15-2005, 09:50 PM
RxMan,
I've always understood why rudders were used in conjunction with aeilerons, but I'd never realized their combat potential until it was pointed out to me.

I see what you mean about being crooked in the airflow... but the wobble drives me nuts. I'm looking into a HOTAS (desperately require a hatswitch http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif), b/c as I said, I love this game, and its worth investing in... if I grab a set of pedals as well, will the wobble be lessened any?

JG54_Arnie
02-16-2005, 01:56 AM
The wobble is huge when you use the keyboard, cause you have only two options. Press the button or don't and when its pressed it gives full deflection. Means that you cannot be precise in your control over rudder at all. But with pedals or twiststick (but more so with pedals) you can precisely control the amount of input/deflection you want. Which means that you can prevent the plane from wobbling, but ofcourse if you kick full rudder with your pedals and release again you will see the same wobble. But thats because the plane reacts like that to instantly full rudder, also quickly dissapearing again. You'll find flying a lot more fun with pedals! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Keep us up to date on your progress http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Runway_Wreck
02-16-2005, 03:04 PM
Second everything said about pedals so far...

and don't even try to bring up tham "twisty" sticks......just show me ONE WWII fighter with a "twisty" stick and them I'll agree you're simmin'....until then........... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Now you want pedals!!!!!!!!!

Try these on for size:

http://www.goflightinc.com/products.html#Rudder

and USB to boot (IL2 will see a second contoller http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

eddiemac0
02-16-2005, 06:39 PM
ok, fair enough, no twisty's http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

but I think I'll grab a race wheel with pedals instead of those beauties...

and as long as we're sort of on the subject, is the x-45 a good HOTAS, I've decided I'm gonna go shopping for a "rig" this Friday and dump my Sidewinder Precision Pro (the thing doesn't even have a hatswitch!!!).

EnGaurde
02-16-2005, 06:45 PM
daaaamn

i just tried a rudder set up.

that jibe about twisties, got me going. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

fine rudder control, i lurve you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

no more stitching bullets across a target.

the rudder enables me to very finely control yaw, immeasurably superior to a twisty, and that couple with a quick roll in the ight direction means i can now improve my aim considerably.

cutting down all axis control thru one control stick , means my pitching and rolling has improved too.

thank you Dr Rudder.

*kiss*

JG54_Arnie
02-17-2005, 12:56 AM
Indeed, flying with racepedals for some time now and its great! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Love it, and even though people said it doesnt make a difference compared to a twisty.. pfft. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif It does and not just a little bit! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Plus its just so much more like actually flying. And you dont have to put your hands and wrist into impossible angles while trying to keep that plane on target. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Runway_Wreck
02-17-2005, 07:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eddiemac0:
ok, fair enough, no twisty's http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

but I think I'll grab a race wheel with pedals instead of those beauties...

and as long as we're sort of on the subject, is the x-45 a good HOTAS, I've decided I'm gonna go shopping for a "rig" this Friday and dump my Sidewinder Precision Pro (the thing doesn't even have a hatswitch!!!). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Want a good HOTAS?............Thrustmaster Cougar.

Nothing else on the market comes close to the control both in terms of "feel" and programming.

You can set up a huge amount of complex commands and map them to a small number of button presses.

Plus they are all metal which means when your 6 yr old bratty nephew grabs hold of it, he will have a tough time breaking it.

The Cougar has a port on the stick base that will take CH Pro Pedals (gameport) or any of the other TM pedals (RCS or Elites) and those you can still get over at eBay. And once connected, the whole rig plugs into a single USB port on the PC. (No need to get IL2 to see a second controller.)

I've had TM gear for over 10 years now, yea they need some TLC every once in a while, but if you love flight simmin', they are worth every penny you pay.

LBR_Barkhorn
02-17-2005, 11:11 AM
I've done a perfect mission last week, in Bellum War.

I was escorting 6 Ju88 in a FW-190A6, with JZG_Crow as my wingman. During the attack, Crow was hit by heavy flak over the city and was forced to RTB. Then, 4 enemy Yaks attacked us. I continued to fly with the Junkers, only attacking the Yaks when they tryed to engage the bombers. 2 of the Yaks was severely damaged by me, one was shoot down by a bomber, and the leader just colided with the last bomber in formation, but the other bombers manaaged to get safe at german base. Mission complete.