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Juego
03-20-2004, 01:59 PM
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Juego
03-20-2004, 01:59 PM
Bf-108 (http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/devupdate/0319/bf-108.jpg)

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Maj_Death
03-20-2004, 02:06 PM
Looks like a trainer to me

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Dunkelgrun
03-20-2004, 02:06 PM
Loads. However, nothing in front line. If you wanted a trip down the pub, you took this.
Be thankful, BoB ships with free beer.

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gorillasika
03-20-2004, 02:36 PM
I have always found it quite amusing, how bf-108, bf-109 and bf-110 differs from each other.
Those that don't know these might think they are somehow modifications of each other just looking by the numbers.
BTW how do you get back from the pub after few beers, or do you just leave the plane there and take a taxi. There must be loads of 108's in front of your local bar http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Zyzbot
03-20-2004, 03:12 PM
Here is a biy of info:

http://www.warbirdalley.com/bf108.htm

When I was a teenager I got to see one of these in a hanger in northern Virginia. It was privately owned and flew regularly as I recall.

darkhorizon11
03-20-2004, 03:47 PM
I saw one for sale on EBAY once. An original, not a replica for $750000.

I sh1t you not.

Juego
03-20-2004, 05:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zyzbot:
Here is a biy of info:

http://www.warbirdalley.com/bf108.htm

When I was a teenager I got to see one of these in a hanger in northern Virginia. It was privately owned and flew regularly as I recall.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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HellToupee
03-20-2004, 05:53 PM
my dad hasa friend who owns a me108, its been rigged up with gas guns and was painted to look like a 109 for some movie or something, it was used by the germans to cart important people around, its got a nice big leather seat in the back, was also used against russian convoys near the end.

the doors open upwards not fowards like the picture suggests.
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Captain_Avatar
03-20-2004, 07:27 PM
If I'm not mistaken that's the same plane featured in the last Indiana Jones movie. If you recall Indy and his dad escape from the zepplin in a biplane and get intercepted by a pair of small nosed German fighters. I think they were also in the 1962 movie "The Longest Day" portraying the only aircraft to strafe the beach on D-Day.

Chuck_Older
03-20-2004, 07:45 PM
I'm not too sure sure of that, the B-108 carried no armament as a standard model, and I'm pretty sure Pips Priller was one of the two pilots to fly a mission on D-day...and he wouldn't have been flying a Bf-108. He'd be in a Bf-109 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It would have been silly to send a communications aircraft on a combat sortie, especially since any strafing would probably have been done with a sidearm.


The Bf-108 was first flown in 1934 as a prototpye, and was a touring aircraft. It competed in events such as the Challenge de Tourisme International and also in events staged during the 1936 Olympic games.

In Luftwaffe service, the aircraft was not officially a trainer. Aircraft such as the He 51, the He 46, and the Klemm K1 35 were trainers used by the Luftwaffe. It was used as a communications aircraft.

The RAF even seized two Bf-108 German Embassy aircraft and used them.

After the war, a variant of this aircraft, the Nord 1000, Nord 1001, and Nord 1002, were built and flown in France. The three planes differed in engines.

The aircraft's nickname was Taifun (typhoon), and was adopted because of a female record holding pilot, Elly Beinhorn. Her Bf-108 had been named Taifun in 1935 and the name was used for the series.

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HellToupee
03-20-2004, 07:56 PM
well this one had guns, i think they were added for a movie just as it was painted to look like a 109 for one.

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Chuck_Older
03-20-2004, 07:57 PM
Oh, certainly. I am only talking about Luftwaffe service aircraft

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HarryVoyager
03-20-2004, 10:17 PM
The Bf-108 was very closely related to the Bf-109 desing wise, so it would make sense that it would be used as a stand in for the early 109's in movies. Basically, it looks more like a German 109 than the Spanish 109's do.

The Texan gets used to represent the Zero for similare reasons.

Harry Voyager

JG77_Tintin
03-21-2004, 12:25 AM
Crashed into a mountain in the movie "Von Ryans Express". Also got Mr Messerschmitt's company out of a spot of financial difficulties in the early thirties. Was also the inspiration for fat Herman to ask for it as a single seater and with a bigger engine. Hence the Bf 109. Also used after WW2.

Gibbage1
03-21-2004, 04:23 AM
The 108 was also used to train 109 pilots FYI.

Gib

Platypus_1.JaVA
03-21-2004, 04:34 AM
The Bf-108 was constructed by Willy Messerschmidt to participate in an air-race in the 30's or something. The aircraft perfromed quite well and where modified to fly around VIPS and training Luftwaffe pilots. Willy Messerschmidt had a private 108 for himself.

With the numbers 108, 109 and 110 in mind, it makes you wonder if there was ever an 107 or 111? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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HarryVoyager
03-21-2004, 04:37 AM
I was of the impression that the 109 was Messerschmitt's own idea, based off of the 108, mostly because the 108 had most of what was needed already, and it would save the trouble of developing a wing and fuselage from scratch.

Most designers did just that. The P-47 is the result of a string of incremental designs, all the way back to a fixed gear aircraft from 1934, called the SEV-3XAR.

Harry Voyager

Platypus_1.JaVA
03-21-2004, 04:38 AM
Well, I hope they will include a cockpit for both teacher and student for the 108. Wouldn't it be nice to teach Noob's flying online like that? One seasoned flyer sits (at his home) in the instructors seat and the student sits in his seat (at his home) and so, the insctructor can see how the student flies and can give him instructions in real-time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Zyzbot
03-21-2004, 07:47 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:


With the numbers 108, 109 and 110 in mind, it makes you wonder if there was ever an 107 or 111? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The number 111 was assigned to Heinkel....don't recall what 107 was assigned to.

"Designation system for WWII aircraft

The German WWII designation system used the first two letters of the manufacturer's name (Ju for Junkers, Fw for Focke-Wulf, ...) and an unique number. Numbers were indeed supposed to be unique, and usually a block of numbers was allocated to a manufacturer.

However, sometimes numbers were exchanged by manufacturers, and sometimes they were used twice if they had been used for an unsuccessful type. There were also cases in which aircraft designs were moved from one manufacturer to another; they usually, but not always, retained their number.
There was a tendency to use variations of the first digit to related or similar aircraft. For example, Messerschmitt produced a the Bf 110, the Me 210 which was intended to replaced it, the Me 310 design which was an improved Me 210, and the Me 410, which was also an improved Me 210."

Chuck_Older
03-21-2004, 08:34 AM
Gib-
of course, the Bf 108 could be used in a training role. My point has been that it was not designed as a trainer, it was designed as a touring aircraft and wasn't officially accepted into Luftwaffe service as a trainer, rather it's intended role was communciations aircraft.


Harry-

Are you serious? Tell me you're kidding

"The Bf-108 was very closely related to the Bf-109 desing wise, so it would make sense that it would be used as a stand in for the early 109's in movies. Basically, it looks more like a German 109 than the Spanish 109's do."

It certainly doesn't look more like a 109 than a Hispano Buchon (which is the "Spanish 109") to me. The Buchon is a licence-built Bf-109 with a different engine. The 108 is a 4 seat tourer. A 4 seat side by side aircraft does not look more like a Bf 109 than a Bf-109 airframe with a Merlin engine to me. Maybe I'm the one who's nuts but have you seen a pic of a 108? The cabin alone tells you it's not a 109. Cabin, not cockpit, this is a four place aircraft. The propeller is high up on the engine cowling on a 108. The 109's prop is low on the cowling. The Hispano Buchon, on the other hand, is a dead ringer for a 109 except for the engine not being inverted.

The designs of the Bf 108 and the Bf 109 are similar, but they are hardly similar aircraft for all that. Willy Messerschmitt began to design the Bf 109 before the Bf 108 even flew. Of course they share common design principles, but cars and mini-vans share common design principles too, and they don't look similar to me, at least.

I'm not trying to put you down, but I have to say something when somebody suggests a Bf 108 looks more like a Bf 109 than a Hispano Buchon does. The 108 and 109 are both low wing monoplanes and the tails look similar, I guess, but that's it.

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JG52_wunsch
03-21-2004, 11:07 AM
they used them in the movie,b.o.b as 109s.

After it was refeuled i climbed in.With many manipulations the mechcanics started the turbines.I followed their actions with the greatest of interest.The first one started quite easily.the second caught fire.In no time the whole engine was on fire.Luckily as a fighter pilot i was used to getting quickly out of the cockpit.The fire was quickly put out.The second plane caused no trouble - Adolf Galland (first time in a ME262)

ajafoofoo
03-21-2004, 11:15 AM
The 108 was produced into the 60s as a private plane.

It was way ahead of it's time when it first appeared.

AirBot
03-21-2004, 11:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG52_wunsch:
they used them in the movie,b.o.b as 109s.

After it was refeuled i climbed in.With many manipulations the mechcanics started the turbines.I followed their actions with the greatest of interest.The first one started quite easily.the second caught fire.In no time the whole engine was on fire.Luckily as a fighter pilot i was used to getting quickly out of the cockpit.The fire was quickly put out.The second plane caused no trouble - Adolf Galland (first time in a ME262)
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They used Hispano Buchons in BoB, not Bf108s.

HarryVoyager
03-21-2004, 12:10 PM
The Me-108 and 109 share much the same wing, and aft fuselage section, and the Me-108's engine does not have the two large cylinder covers on the top of its engine the way the Merlin engined Spanish 109's did. Those two blisters are a feature that even untrained eyes can quickly pick out from the normal 109.

The average person will see the enging blisters, and the planeform of an aircraft before they see the cabin. So, yes, and experienced spotter will immediately note that the 108 is a two seater, but the average, untrained spotter will always notice the engine blisters before they notice the cabin.

The Spanish 109 is very similare to the German 109, but the one difference that it has, is the one difference that the untrained eye will always see. By contrast, while the 108 has numerous differences to the 109, those differences are such that the untrained eye will ussually miss them.

Always keep your audience in mind when picking stand-in planes. Experienced spotters will accept different standins than average people will. Planes that experiences spotters will accept, average people will reject, and vice versa.

On a side note, there actually was a 107, and it was fairly siilare to the 108: http://home.t-online.de/home/georgei/klemm-hp/kl107hp.html

Harry Voyager

Oh, and by closely related, I meant closely related the way the P-43 and P-47 were closely related.

Chuck_Older
03-21-2004, 12:39 PM
Well, all I can say is if you think a 108 looks like a 109 more than a Buchon, one of us is off his rocker. I am not trying to change your mind, by the way.

But since we are apparently talking about fooling the underinformed about these aircaft instead of the experienced, I would still have to say that the Buchon would fool this type of person much more easily than a Taifun.

You keep on mentioning the engine and cowling of the Buchon, and I agree. But the rest of the plane is Bf-109. None of the 108 is 109. It bears a similarity, that's all.

If someone didn't know what a 109 looked like in the first place, I could show them a picture of a Beech and it would fool them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

In other news, a Bf-108 would be great fun to gun down in FB

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-HH-Dubbo
03-21-2004, 01:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Captain_Avatar:
If I'm not mistaken that's the same plane featured in the last Indiana Jones movie. If you recall Indy and his dad escape from the zepplin in a biplane and get intercepted by a pair of small nosed German fighters. I think they were also in the 1962 movie "The Longest Day" portraying the only aircraft to strafe the beach on D-Day.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

At least in the Last Crusade movie the aircraft in question were Pilatus
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/nightschpanker/Pilatus.jpg

As for the 108 looking more like a 109 than a Buchon. Hmmm....not to me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/nightschpanker/Buchon.jpg
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/nightschpanker/bf108-taxi-01.jpg

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Juego
03-21-2004, 03:27 PM
This "Bf-109" look like it has turkey neck http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/nightschpanker/Buchon.jpg

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HellToupee
03-21-2004, 03:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dubbo2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Captain_Avatar:
If I'm not mistaken that's the same plane featured in the last Indiana Jones movie. If you recall Indy and his dad escape from the zepplin in a biplane and get intercepted by a pair of small nosed German fighters. I think they were also in the 1962 movie "The Longest Day" portraying the only aircraft to strafe the beach on D-Day.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

At least in the Last Crusade movie the aircraft in question were Pilatus
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/nightschpanker/Pilatus.jpg

As for the 108 looking more like a 109 than a Buchon. Hmmm....not to me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/nightschpanker/Buchon.jpg
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/nightschpanker/bf108-taxi-01.jpg

http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/nightschpanker/F1000016.JPG
There is no leading cause of death for people aged over 100<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the me108 pictured is the same one as ive sat in, you can see its been rigged up with gas guns 2 cowl and 2 wing.

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