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FI_Macca44
01-02-2005, 10:24 AM
Could we have a wider choice of early war Jap Army plamnes, e.g. New Guinea camp?There are only Ki43s to choose from, I thought there were Zekes and so on also.

S!

FI_Macca44
01-02-2005, 10:24 AM
Could we have a wider choice of early war Jap Army plamnes, e.g. New Guinea camp?There are only Ki43s to choose from, I thought there were Zekes and so on also.

S!

VW-IceFire
01-02-2005, 10:32 AM
The Japanese Army never used Japanese Navy aircraft and vice versa. Essentially the Army and Navy were two entirely separate and sometimes rivals in their service to the nation they were supposed to defend. Thats why each service has their own aircraft, support structure, and even weapons (both the Navy and Army re-engineered the Oilerkon MG-FF 20mm cannon with entirely different ammo and components).

In terms of variety...the Ki-43 was the premier JA fighter for most of the war. The Ki-44 was rare, the Ki-61 and Ki-84 were replacing the Ki-43 in some places but pilots didn't always like the loss of manuverability.

FI_Macca44
01-02-2005, 10:36 AM
IC,so the fact that there is only Ki43 in N Guinea is right?

Stiglr
01-02-2005, 10:48 AM
Not entirely. They had Toryus (Ki-45) as well.

But, aside from Tonys, the Oscar was pretty much the mainstay fighter for the Army throughout the war.

Chuck_Older
01-02-2005, 11:54 AM
Doesn't mean we don't need the Claude and the Nate!

Did you know, that the IJA considered buying A5Ms?

Atomic_Marten
01-02-2005, 12:09 PM
I play New Guinea with Oscar (1942) now. I'm constantly having 'helping hand' from IJN (A6Ms) when escorting G4Ms.

I also think that IJA never widely used navy models. What we can have as new IJA fighters are also (these we do not have in - game) Ki27, Ki44, Ki45, Ki100 (tho this model have seen few engagements). I'm just looking at some paint schemes of these birds in Osprey's JAAF Aces 1937-45.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Also, if by any chance we get 2x20mm equipped Oscar, that would be real blast.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

FI_Macca44
01-02-2005, 01:16 PM
So maybe we could have some campaigns for land-based IN fighters and dive bombers? Just a bit wider choice of a/c to fly over New Guinehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif feel the Ki43 is a bit......hmmmm.....weak..I know, there were many of them, main army fighter esp at the begining, but I miss N1K1 George or Frank. These birds were modelled in the 1942 PAWhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif That was cool. With them or without - PF rocks.

MrOblongo
01-02-2005, 02:13 PM
As far as i know there were a A6m3 navy operated squadron in Buna in 1942. I have seen pics of the airfield and it shows some Zekes. Also in Pilots reports they fought Zekes and not Ki43.

Was the 4th Kokutai if my mind still work.

"Our control of the air was won by constant patrolling, armed reconnaissance, and aggressive fighter operations.4 Yet we could not monopolize the air and considerable numbers of hostile planes from time to time succeeded in breaking through to bomb and strafe our troops and rear areas. For example, on 7 December, 3 Japanese navy dive bombers and 18 Zero-escorted high-level bombers attacked the 2d Field Hospital at Simemi, causing heavy casualties. As late as 27 December, when the enemy was withdrawing toward the sea for his last stand, 41 Zeros and dive bombers attempted to raid our positions but were intercepted by 8 of our P-38's. Two enemy planes were shot down, and the 3 bombs dropped did no damage."



Source: http://www.army.mil/CMH-PG/books/wwii/papuancamp/papcpn-part1.htm

BUNA CAMPAING: http://www.army.mil/CMH-PG/books/wwii/papuancamp/papcpn-fm.htm#tablecont

ElmerFuddGantry
01-02-2005, 03:26 PM
The first JAAF unit didn't arrive in the New Guinea theatre till 18 December, 1942. This was the 11th Sentai, flying Ki 43 I Heis out of Rabaul. Prior to this, it was all Navy from early March, 1942. The 1st Sentai with Ki 43's were at Rabaul in January, 1943. Later models of Oscars and the Tony arrived shortly thereafter with the 68th and 78th Sentai's. With the Zero, the "A" in A6M whatever, is the Japanese designation for carrier bourne fighter. The "M" is Mitsubishi (just like my old Sigma) and the "6" means that it was the manufacturers sixth aircraft built for carrier operations.

Luftcaca
01-02-2005, 04:13 PM
if I remember well, basically (without modif) the ONLY available flyable plane for IJA New Guinea 42 is the Ki-43IA right?

but in the .db files for AI planes, theres Ki-43IB and IC...no KI-43IA...

has the choice of available flyable planes for New Guinea changed with Dgen3134?

MoritzJGOne
01-02-2005, 04:41 PM
There are only two planes totally missing that I would like to see plus one or both of the upgraded Oscars.

The 2 planes totally absent that sholuld be added as flyables are the Ki-44 'Tojo' and the Ki45 'Nick'.

I would also like to see Sally, Helen and Frances added as AI Bombers.

pacettid
01-02-2005, 05:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FI_Macca44:
So maybe we could have some campaigns for land-based IN fighters and dive bombers? Just a bit wider choice of a/c to fly over New Guinehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif feel the Ki43 is a bit......hmmmm.....weak... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

According to Saburo Sakai's book Samurai, the IJN Tainan Kokutai arrived in New Guinea on April 8th, 1942. They remained in-theater until withdrawn to Rabaul on 3 August 1942. During this time they flew many missions over Port Moresby, Buna and numerous locations along the north coast of New Guinea.

Even though they landbased out of Lae, I see absolutely no problem with including them in the New Guinea theater of operations, for both Campaigns, SP, and DF missions. Besides, flying realistic distances is really not a viable option, due to map limitations and playability issues. Using A6M2-21s, and A6M3s is therefore historically accurate for the this theater.

Mr_Nakajima
01-03-2005, 02:21 AM
The Ki-61 also flew in New Guinea.

They first entered combat in July 1943 at Rabaul, having arrived just before the JAAF switched its base to Wewak further to the east. Both Ki-61-Ia and -Ib aircraft (given the Japanese equivalents of Ko and Otsu in the game) saw service, and the -Ic (Hei) arrived just before the defeat of the JAAF in December 1944. The units involved where the 68th and 78th Sentais.

JG53Frankyboy
01-03-2005, 04:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Luftcaca:
if I remember well, basically (without modif) the ONLY available flyable plane for IJA New Guinea 42 is the Ki-43IA right?

but in the .db files for AI planes, theres Ki-43IB and IC...no KI-43IA...

has the choice of available flyable planes for New Guinea changed with Dgen3134? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

perhaps you will find this link interesting:

http://www.warbirdforum.com/rdunn43.htm

JG53Frankyboy
01-03-2005, 05:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Atomic_Marten:
..................................Also, if by any chance we get 2x20mm equipped Oscar, that would be real blast.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

weii, we have already enough "prototypes" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
only two Ki-43-III-Otsu were tested http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

faustnik
01-03-2005, 05:10 PM
The Ki-43II with a reflector sight would really help the JAAF out though.

JG53Frankyboy
01-03-2005, 05:27 PM
not to forgett, the whole in game NewGuinea map was from January43 on full in allied hands http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

goshikisen
01-03-2005, 05:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MoritzJGOne:
There are only two planes totally missing that I would like to see plus one or both of the upgraded Oscars.

The 2 planes totally absent that sholuld be added as flyables are the Ki-44 'Tojo' and the Ki45 'Nick'.

I would also like to see Sally, Helen and Frances added as AI Bombers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with you on the need for the Toryu and the Shoki. I won't be heartbroken if they aren't made flyable but I think they are a big enough part of the IJAAF to warrant inclusion as AI. The only addition I'd make to your list is the Ki-27. Flying Tiger Scenarios wouldn't be complete without one.

IJAAF bombers... it'd be great to see at least one or 2 included.

Regards, Goshikisen.

Cossack13
01-03-2005, 09:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
The Ki-43II with a reflector sight would really help the JAAF out though. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's a fact, Bass-boy!

p1ngu666
01-03-2005, 10:07 PM
well onwhine guns are less effective, so 20mm onwhine are probably as effective as 12mm offwhine.

it would be nice to have a ki43 with some real poke, if u flew it u may agree with us http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

sapre
01-04-2005, 02:56 AM
And if I remember correctly, more Ki-43II was produced then Ki-43I, so I see no reason not to add them.

FlakMagnent
01-04-2005, 10:42 PM
isnt it true that the KI43's were just the army's version of the Zero? Thats what I have read anyways.

LEXX_Luthor
01-05-2005, 02:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>isnt it true that the KI43's were just the army's version of the Zero? Thats what I have read anyways. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Close that book/website forever and don't open any more.

JG53Frankyboy
01-05-2005, 10:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sapre:
And if I remember correctly, more Ki-43II was produced then Ki-43I, so I see no reason not to add them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

sure, only ~716 of all ~5800 ever build Oscars were of Mark I.