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mandrill7
02-20-2006, 07:42 PM
Am doing a 1945 Kyushu campaign for the Ki-84 and want to work in most, if not all late war USAAF and USN fighter a/c. Anyone know if the P-38 was historically part of that air campaign? If so, I'll throw it into a mission or 3.

Treetop64
02-20-2006, 08:03 PM
Regularly...

VW-IceFire
02-20-2006, 08:41 PM
Ok treetop...gotta give us more than that. I'm nearly finished my Ki-100/Ki-61 campaign and I haven't found much evidence to support alot of P-38 activity over Kyushu.

Most of the USAAF units were P-51D's and P-47N's. Apparently there was at least one B-24 raid before the surrender but this was very late along. Most of the American types over Kyushu were the aformentioned P-51/P-47, the B-29 (duh), Corsair, Hellcat, Avenger, Helldiver, and the like.

JG53Frankyboy
02-21-2006, 01:44 AM
i asked this also in the past for the VOW2 missionbuilding.
i got the answer , no.

J_Anonymous
02-21-2006, 07:32 AM
I read many articles in Japanese about US air raids over the main islands of Japan. But I don't recall any stories about P38, instead they were all about P51, Hellcat, and B29. That does not necesssarily mean there was no involvement, though. What's the range of P38, could it reach Kyushu from Okinawa, and return? Kyushu has 4 seasons with winter, but Okinawa is pretty far, and it's a sub-tropical paradise with cobat blue ocean and beaches. The distance from Okinawa to the southern most part of Kyusyu (Kagoshima Province) is 429 miles, and the northern industrial area of Kyusyu (***uoka Province) is 537 miles from Okinawa.

Slickun
02-21-2006, 07:43 AM
P-38's could do that.

I'm interested as well.

bolillo_loco, know anything about this subject?

Chuck_Older
02-21-2006, 09:46 AM
Sure, P-38s flew over Kyushu in '45. Whether it was before, or after the surrender, I don't know http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

mandrill7
02-21-2006, 07:11 PM
Jugs with d/t's regularly hit Kyushu on low level sh-- disturber raids flying out of Ie Shima. Not only that, but they used to stooge around for a while, looking for targets. I assume that Corsairs could get there too flying from Oki with extra fuel. So P-38's could certainly make the trip.

I haven't run across any references to them however. As above, it's all about P-47N's, Ponies and USN/ USMC planes.

VW-IceFire
02-21-2006, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by J_Anonymous:
I read many articles in Japanese about US air raids over the main islands of Japan. But I don't recall any stories about P38, instead they were all about P51, Hellcat, and B29. That does not necesssarily mean there was no involvement, though. What's the range of P38, could it reach Kyushu from Okinawa, and return? Kyushu has 4 seasons with winter, but Okinawa is pretty far, and it's a sub-tropical paradise with cobat blue ocean and beaches. The distance from Okinawa to the southern most part of Kyusyu (Kagoshima Province) is 429 miles, and the northern industrial area of Kyusyu (***uoka Province) is 537 miles from Okinawa.
The P-38 had the range...it had awesome range...but I've never heard of them being used as I said before and as others have stated.

BigKahuna_GS
02-21-2006, 11:32 PM
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Saw this about the P38L serving in the 20th FG in the ETO:

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/6940/20thfg.html

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/6940/stamp_2.jpg

Until the summer of 1944 the group was equiped with the twin-tailed Lockheed P-38 Lightning, originally painted in the standard olive drab over neutral gray scheme of the USAAF. When the AAF opted to leave their aircraft bare, the later model aircraft of the 20th. arrived in natural (unpainted) aluminum with only a few distinguishing marks. The 20th.FG P-38s (as in Capt. Heiden's P-38, portrayed in the stamp shown above,) wore yellow on both spinners and the fronts of their engine nacelles and a white band on the nose just behind the gun ports. The group flew P-38H and J models from December, 1943 to 21 July, 1944. There were also a few P-38L models that made their way to the 20th prior to the Group's transition to the North American P-51 Mustang.


In the PTO

The P38L had a greater range than the P51D. According to Jeff Ethell in his book "P38 Lighting at War", P38Ls from Le Shima & Okinawa were ranging over Japan. The longest mission and some of the last japanese fighters shot down in WW2 was by P38Ls flying out of Palawan to Singapore (2400miles-a record) 2 Tojo fighters were shot down by the 67th FG August 4th 1945.

The last kill for the 49th FG was on June 21,1945. Japanese a/c were getting scarce, this kill occured over Formosa an "Emily" flying boat was destroyed. This made Maj.Laven an ace and he also held a ground attack record for 60,000tons of japanese shipping, 69 locomotives while bombing/strafing.

Another record was Maj.Laven returning to base 59 times on a single engine from AA damage a feat that would of been impossible in any other fighter.pg.141


http://www.web-birds.com/

http://www.web-birds.com/7th/318/318th.htm

http://www.web-birds.com/7th/318/P-38Group.jpg
Here 73rd Fighter Squadron Long-Range Pilots

Most notably, the Seventh's airmen pioneered Very Long Range fighter operations across the Pacific with missions of historic length and duration: Kauai to Midway, Midway to Kaneohe and Makin to Jaluit and Maloelap. By late 1944 Lockheed P38s of the 318th were routinely flying missions to Truk and Iwo Jima from Saipan - 1,500 mile 8 hour trips. And by 1945, with new aircraft, VLR sorties were the rule rather than the exception for the Seventh's fighters. In April 1945 the 15th and 21st Fighter Groups began flying 1300 mile escorts and sweeps from Iwo Jima to Honshu in the P51 Mustang. In May 1945 the 318th Group advanced to le Shima where they reached out to Japanese targets in Kyushu and China. On August 13, 1945 the 318th flew from le Shirna to Tokyo - 1680 statute miles, 8 1/2 hours of non-stop flight.


475th Fighter Group

"Satans Angels"

Air Forced Assigned To:
5th AF (May '43 - end WWII)

Stations Flown From: Amberley Field, Australia (May '43 - Aug '43)
Dobodura, New Guinea (Aug '43 - March '44) Nadzab, New Guinea (March '44 - May '44)
Hollandia, New Guinea (May '44 - July '44)
Biak (July '44 - Oct '44)
Dulag, Leyte (Oct '44 - Feb '45)
San Jose, Mindoro (Feb '45)
Clark Field, Luzon (Feb '45 - April '45)
Lingayen, Luzon (April '45 - Aug '45)
Ie Shima (Aug '45 - end WWII)


Awards Won:
Distinguished Unit Citation:
New Guinea (18 & 21 Aug '43)

Distinguished Unit Citation:
New Guinea (15 & 17 Oct '43)

Distinguished Unit Citation:
Philippine islands (25 Oct - 25 Dec '44)
Philippine Presidential Unit Citation

Total Aircraft Claims in Air:
Destroyed Probable Damaged
552 --------- -61 -------- 36

Planes Flown: P38


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49th
Fighter
Group

Air Forced Assigned To: 5th AF (May '42)

Stations Flown From: Melbourne, Australia (Feb '42)
Bankstown, Australia (Feb '42 - April '42)
Darwin, Australia (April '42 - Oct '42)
Port Moresby, New Guinea (Oct '42 - March '43)
Dobodura, New Guinea (March '43 - Nov '43)
Gusap, New Guinea (Dec '43 - April '44)
Finchhafen, New Guinea (April '44 - May '44)
Hollandia, New Guinea (May '44 - June '44)
Biak (June '44 - Oct '44)
Tacloban, Leyte (Oct '44 - Dec '44)
San Jose, Mindiro (Dec '44 - Feb '45)
Lingayen, Luzon (Feb '45 - Aug '45)
Okinawa (Aug '45 - end WWII)

Campaigns Flown in:
East Indies
Air Offensive, Japan
China Defensive
Papua
New Guinea
Bismarck Archipelago
Western Pacific
Leyte
Luzon
China Offensive

Awards Won: Distinguished Unit Citation: Australia, 14 March - 25 Aug '42

Distinguished Unit Citation:
Papua, Oct '42 - 23 Jan '43

Distinguished Unit Citation:
Philippine Islands, 27 Oct - 7 Dec '44
Philippine Presidential Unit Citation

Planes Flown:
P-39
P-40
P-38
P-47

________



8th Fighter Group

Air Forced Assigned To: 5th AF (May '42)

Stations Flown From:
Brisbane, Australia (March '42 - July '44)
Townsville, Australia (July '42 - Sept '42)
Milne Bay, New Guinea (Sept '42 - Feb '43)
Mareeba, Australia (Feb '43 - May '43)
Port Moresby, New Guinea (May '43 - Dec '43)
Finschhafen, New Guinea (Dec '43 - Feb '44)
Cape Gloster, New Britian (Feb '44 - March '44)
Nadzab, New Guinea (March '44 - June '44)
Owi, Schouten Islands (June '44 - Sept '44)
Morotai (Sept '44 - Dec '44)
San Jose, Mindiro (Dec '44 - Aug '45)
IE Shima (Aug '45 - end WWII)

Campaigns Flown in:

Air Offensive, Japan
China Defensive
Papua
New Guinea
Bismarck Archipelago
Western Pacific
Leyte
Luzon
Southern Philippines

Awards Won:
Distinguished Unit Citation:
Papua, Sept '42 - 23 Jan '43

Distinguished Unit Citation:
Philippine Islands, 26 Dec '44
Philippine Presidential Unit Citation

Total Aircraft Claims in Air:
Destroyed --- Probable --- Damaged
453------ 84------ 53


Planes Flown:
P-39
P-40
P-38

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Slickun
02-22-2006, 10:32 AM
Good post, Kahuna.

Sweeps over Japan from Ie Shima. Cool.

BTW, a plane by plane check of on-line resources does not show any P-38L's ever serving with the 8th AF.

IIRC, the 20th was an 8th AF unit?

If so, we're at odds here on sources.

Slickun
02-22-2006, 10:42 AM
http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/20thfg.php?action=list_r...next_page=2#tabletop (http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/20thfg.php?action=list_records&recs=50&sort_order=ASC&order_by=Squ&recs=50&next_page=2#tabletop)

Here is the database I searched. I may have missed one, but anyone is free to go over it. It may not be complete, but it IS what I go on when I express doubts the L ever flew combat with the 8th.

mandrill7
02-22-2006, 03:23 PM
Okay. Case proven.

P-38L's it is then. Nice little break from all those 51's.