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XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 08:16 AM
Been making some test with 1.1b and some suspiscion are showing...

Climb rate of various plane, 50% fuel, initial altitude 100 meter, 90% of max speed level, then climb

FW190A4 : 5m 00 sec for 5000 meter @ 330 IAS 110% : 8m 40 sec before it overheats
FW190A5 : 4m 40 sec for 5000 meter @ 330 IAS 110% wep on : 7m 45 sec before it overheats
FW190A8 : 5m 42 sec for 5000 meter @ 330 IAS 110% wep on : 8m 20 sec before it overheats
FW190A9 : 4m 00 sec for 5000 meter @ 330 IAS 110% wep on : 7m 45 before it overheats
FW190D9 1944 : 3m 47 sec for 4800 meter @ 330 IAS, 110% wep on : 4m 40 before it overheats

YAK1B : 6m 20 sec for 5000 meter @ 330 IAS, 110 then 100% : 2m 35 sec before it overheats
YAK9 : 5m 55 sec for 5000 meter @ 330 IAS 110 then 100% : 2m 05 sec before it overheats
LA5FN : 4m 50 sec for 5000 meter @ 330 IAS, 110% : 6m 55 sec before it overheats
LA7 : 4m 10 sec for 5000 meter @330 IAS 110% : after 11m still no overheat
YAK9U : 4m 35 sec for 5000 meter @330 IAS 110% then 100% : 2m 20 sec before it overheats
YAK3 : 4m 40 sec for 5000 meter @ 330 IAS 110% then 100% : 2m 10 sec before it overheats

P39N : 5 m 15 sec for 5000 meter @ 330 IAS
Hurricane IIC : 5m 31 sec for 5000 meter @ 300 IAS
P47D27 : 4m 30 sec for 5000 meter @ 330 IAS
IL2 series 3 : 8m 50 sec for 5000 meter @ 300 IAS

If the numbers are valid on the website, here's the difference found with some of these planes :

FW190A4 climbs 136% more than values
FW190A5 climbs 137% more than values
FW190A8 climbs 119% more than values
FW190A9 climbs 137% more than values
FW190D9 climbs 153% more than values

YAk1b climbs 117% less than values
YAK9 climbs 116% less than values
YAk9U climbs 109% more than values
YAk3 climbs 103% less than values
LA5FN climbs 107% more than values
LA7 climbs 108% more than values
IL2 series 3 climbs 110% more than values

I have no datas about engine overheating with WEP on.

Cheers

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Eric


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XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 08:16 AM
Been making some test with 1.1b and some suspiscion are showing...

Climb rate of various plane, 50% fuel, initial altitude 100 meter, 90% of max speed level, then climb

FW190A4 : 5m 00 sec for 5000 meter @ 330 IAS 110% : 8m 40 sec before it overheats
FW190A5 : 4m 40 sec for 5000 meter @ 330 IAS 110% wep on : 7m 45 sec before it overheats
FW190A8 : 5m 42 sec for 5000 meter @ 330 IAS 110% wep on : 8m 20 sec before it overheats
FW190A9 : 4m 00 sec for 5000 meter @ 330 IAS 110% wep on : 7m 45 before it overheats
FW190D9 1944 : 3m 47 sec for 4800 meter @ 330 IAS, 110% wep on : 4m 40 before it overheats

YAK1B : 6m 20 sec for 5000 meter @ 330 IAS, 110 then 100% : 2m 35 sec before it overheats
YAK9 : 5m 55 sec for 5000 meter @ 330 IAS 110 then 100% : 2m 05 sec before it overheats
LA5FN : 4m 50 sec for 5000 meter @ 330 IAS, 110% : 6m 55 sec before it overheats
LA7 : 4m 10 sec for 5000 meter @330 IAS 110% : after 11m still no overheat
YAK9U : 4m 35 sec for 5000 meter @330 IAS 110% then 100% : 2m 20 sec before it overheats
YAK3 : 4m 40 sec for 5000 meter @ 330 IAS 110% then 100% : 2m 10 sec before it overheats

P39N : 5 m 15 sec for 5000 meter @ 330 IAS
Hurricane IIC : 5m 31 sec for 5000 meter @ 300 IAS
P47D27 : 4m 30 sec for 5000 meter @ 330 IAS
IL2 series 3 : 8m 50 sec for 5000 meter @ 300 IAS

If the numbers are valid on the website, here's the difference found with some of these planes :

FW190A4 climbs 136% more than values
FW190A5 climbs 137% more than values
FW190A8 climbs 119% more than values
FW190A9 climbs 137% more than values
FW190D9 climbs 153% more than values

YAk1b climbs 117% less than values
YAK9 climbs 116% less than values
YAk9U climbs 109% more than values
YAk3 climbs 103% less than values
LA5FN climbs 107% more than values
LA7 climbs 108% more than values
IL2 series 3 climbs 110% more than values

I have no datas about engine overheating with WEP on.

Cheers

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Eric


http://srm.racesimcentral.com/il2.shtml

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 08:49 AM
1 190a climbs from data is with 100% not wep

2 you must with 100% fuel climb not 50%

3 all plane have differentially climbspeed

and have you 2.supercharger use right altitude?

with la-7 and p39n-1 have i better result with 100% fuel

make too 3000m climb and see la-7

3000m is importantly for low fight sim how fb





Message Edited on 08/16/0310:49AM by Skalgrim

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 09:11 AM
Hmm 330 IAS is too much for climbing. "Official" climb speed of the FW for example was around 260-270 or so, so do most planes climb best around 250-300 IAS except the rocket and the 262.

I took me a La-7 yesterday and was astonished how the climb indicator rocketed up to 30m/s - i think it would even have been past that if the scale had more on it. I held that 30 up to ~1500m, then it dropped to ~22m/s @2000-2500m. Very funny. BTW the 5FN isn't much worse... In fact initial climb should be 22m/s with Forsazh up to 1000m then decreasing ~2m/s every 1000m more.

The FWs finally seem to be right. The Dora gets it's 22m/s on the deck with full power and that's OK. All the other models are a bit worse respectively.


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XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 09:21 AM
If i understand right your climbdata is completely wrong....

If you Start Climb at 90% of Max Speed of plane you make a massive Zoomclimb!!!
Also it seems you didnt managed engines of VVS Planes right....

If i Make Climbtest i start at 100m heigh and at 280 Km/h IAS in levelflight and with substained Climbspeed of 260-290Km/h.
In this way i get La7 in under 4min to 5000m.
If you start with highspeed your data should be much better but they are worser /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 02:01 PM
Ok then, I'll make it at 260-280 IAS for all the planes, and yes I know how to use fuel mixture and 2nd stage supercharger for the VVS planes (YAK's, LAx's). Yes I had a massive climb rate initially from the the initial speed, then I settled at 330 IAS for most planes, lower powere YAK's couldnt sustain that speed from 3500 meters and so on.

If I do climb at 260-280 IAS for the FW's I'm affraid the time it takes to get up there will be even less. Therefore increasing the gap between the chart and the measures. And I'll use 100% fuel and no WEP for all the planes. Let's see how it will be....

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XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 03:38 PM
la-7 climb almost same good as la-5fn too 5000m

4,7min la-5fn /has oleg write
4,5min la-7



that means they have almost same initialclimb


but

la-5fn 22m/sec
la-7 30m/sec

is not close

p39n-1 has very good climb too with 160km/h

believe 250km/h is best climb for p39n-1

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 04:59 PM
DR_Hangar wrote:
- Ok then, I'll make it at 260-280 IAS for all the
- planes, and yes I know how to use fuel mixture and
- 2nd stage supercharger for the VVS planes (YAK's,
- LAx's). Yes I had a massive climb rate initially
- from the the initial speed, then I settled at 330
- IAS for most planes, lower powere YAK's couldnt
- sustain that speed from 3500 meters and so on.

If I were you (or have time), I'd try finding the best climb IAS for each plane in the game, by plotting climb time (to a certain altitude) versus climb IAS. Because some of theses plane MIGHT climb better outside the 260~280 range , and don't necessarily climb best IN GAME at their real life best climb speeds.

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 05:28 PM
Good point there hangar.
perhaps this has its part to play:

I think the Lift of the new FW190 model is overdone alot,
and if u combine horsepower and lift you will have that incraese in climbrate.

Keep in mind that the FW had a Highwingload and high landing and takeoff speed compared to many other Warbirds

Try lowereing your flaps and this bird glides forever, and takeoffs are better than a modern airtrainer..

Keep testing and we shall see, i agree on your point but not quite the way it was done in the first test

Year pal VH

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 07:42 PM
leave the FW alone Punk !!!

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XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 08:20 PM
Read this book Punk!!!
The Advanced Pilots Flight Manuel by William K Kershner.

most of the questions about aviation and flying is awnserd in this book oh get your pocketcalculator aswell u can get pretty close to what planes can do or not if you are using some of the math formulars described there.