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Jaws2002
03-30-2005, 01:17 PM
Can anyone lead me to some info on Daimler-Benz powered Doras. I found some time ago some test results but I did not saved the link http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif. Does anyone have some info?

ASM 1
03-30-2005, 03:19 PM
I think the plane you are after is the Fw TA152 C which had a DB603.
http://users.belgacom.net/aircraft1/avion1/64.html#1323

All the D models had Jumos AFAIK.
http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/variants.htm

Info on dev of Ta series
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/ta152.html


hope this helps

Woodstov
03-30-2005, 03:32 PM
Hi there, I also belive that there was the Fw-190C-? I think,and the Fw-190H-1, which was proposed but not built, and the Ta-152C series powered by the DB603.

DangerForward
03-30-2005, 03:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jaws2002:
Can anyone lead me to some info on Daimler-Benz powered Doras. I found some time ago some test results but I did not saved the link http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif. Does anyone have some info? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you're looking for the D14/15 or the 190C. They're all covered in:

http://www.schifferbooks.com/newschiffer/book_template.php?isbn=0764318764

diomedes33
03-30-2005, 08:23 PM
The D9 had variants with both the Jumo 213A, DB 603A and 603E. I have a book here on late war 190s and TA-152s. I'm too busy with school to type up the figures, but they do exist.

General trend looks like the 603A was a bit worse than the Jumo and 603E was a bit better in max speeds (+- 5kph). In climb rates it was the opposite.

full power (wep)

Jumo 12.7(18.5) m/s
603a 12.9(19.6)
603e 10.7(16.5)

vladward3050
03-30-2005, 10:17 PM
The Fw-190 D-14 and D-15 were to be powered by the DB-603. The DB-603 engine, according to the manufacturer was to produce a whopping 2400 HP with MW-50 injection. Performance at low to medium level was to be similar to the D-9 with the Jumo 213A, but after about 6500m, the DB-603 engined machine pulled away considerably. I have the book mentioned by DangerForward and it has a nice speed chart comparing DB-603 powered Doras to their Jumo 213 powered stable mate. The DB powered Dora was however a very late development. The original development of the FW-190 with the DB-603 was the FW-190C series which was under development before the Jumo powered D series. The FW-190C was an excellent aircraft with a maximum speed estimated to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 725-745km/h at roughly 6,000m. This aircraft probably could have been brought into service in late 1943 around the same time as the early merlin mustantgs if the necessary measures had been taken. However, the Luftwaffe was more concerned with alotting DB-603 engines to Me-410s than to Fw-190s at the time. So the Fw-190C never saw production. What a horrible decision. For more information I suggest purchasing the book.

Hope this helps.

Jaws2002
03-31-2005, 12:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by diomedes33:
The D9 had variants with both the Jumo 213A, DB 603A and 603E. I have a book here on late war 190s and TA-152s. I'm too busy with school to type up the figures, but they do exist.

General trend looks like the 603A was a bit worse than the Jumo and 603E was a bit better in max speeds (+- 5kph). In climb rates it was the opposite.

full power (wep)

Jumo 12.7(18.5) m/s
603a 12.9(19.6)
603e 10.7(16.5) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Thanks. This is what I was looking for. D-9's with DB engine. I read somewhere few saw action.
I remember I saw some comparations between Tempest and both Jumo and Daimler-Benz Doras, I just can't locate them again.

Thank you guys.