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F10_Chainsaw
07-10-2005, 01:24 PM
???

Just started to fly the jap<span class="ev_code_RED">anese</span> planes... in the zero and in the Val i can find a waypoint indicator but not in the Betty. I hope that its me thats blind cuz its really a useful tool for bombers when on the bomb run....
Anybody knows?

/Chainsaw

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Capt_Haddock
07-10-2005, 04:34 PM
Sorry not much help really... Just a Betty fan, although I haven't flown her as much as I should, really.

Coming from the old-fashioned TB-3 I've never used a waypoint indicator. I just had to learn wich bits of the bombardier's cockpit frame were in line with the true direction of the plane. Very old-tech http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So. There is one of those things in the Val then? I have to try that. How does it work?

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Tooz_69GIAP
07-10-2005, 05:05 PM
Bombers have waypoint indicators?? You learn summit new every day!

I just read the map and follow my own waypoints.

Kernow
07-11-2005, 03:44 AM
Not just bombers, quite a few ac have a needle on the compass card which points to the next waypoint in a co-op. The flight leader can change the point to which the needle points by using the next / previous waypoint commands.

It works like an Automatic Direction Finder, although I think that technology is really post-WW2. Waypoints are like beacons and the needle will point to them until they are overflown.

You can use this to set up night-bomber missions, for example. The bombers have a series of waypoints to guide them to the target, which simulates the navigator passing headings to the pilot. The nightfighters (110 has an 'ADF') have a take-off point, one waypoint and a landing point. The needle will point at either the waypoint or the landing point, but not take-off point. The waypoint represents a nightfighter beacon, which should be in the fighter's patrol area. The landing point then represents a beacon at the home field. The fighter leader can then 'tune' either beacon by selecting next / previous waypoint.

All a complete waste of time though. No matter how much you explain in HL that it's a NIGHT mission or how detailed the brief, 90% of cretins will still leave the mission when they find out it's dark and there's no furball within 30 secs of start.

F10_Chainsaw
07-11-2005, 07:07 AM
Yep, bombers and other A/c has waypoint indicator, its really useful when you are lining up on the bomb run, make sure you got the lines across eachothers exactly and you will be right on target, not beside it by 50m.... if the guy who did the Coop placed the waypoint spot on target that is. http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/Magnusson/He111.jpg
This is from the HE-111 H6. the red circles are the waypoint indicator, the one to the right is the compass You all know, but the withe plan are actually a indicator to next waypoint. but it is a bit ruff so its not 100%, hardly 80%.... but the red one to the left is really accurate, when you follow that one spot on so the 2 lines are alignement wich eachoter you are really head on target. what you see on the red to the left is basicly the green to the right but in a betther and more precis view.


But shure I can navigate and use own waypoints to, I do that Online ewery time, but life is so much easier as bomber with that indicator...

Without it you relly need to study the map of the target area so you early can tell how much of you are and so on... rising the risk of coming to far off for a good bomb run...

Capt_Haddock; I will put in another post on how the vals work soon.

/Chainsaw

F10_Chainsaw
07-11-2005, 07:21 AM
Hum, just tested it and I have to say it sucked pretty hard that one, not near the Heinkels...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/Magnusson/val.jpg

Their You have the vals waypoint indicator Capt_Haddock. but its not much to trust on, the needle tells you which side of the waypoint line you are on... that will saythat if you drift of to the right the needle points to the right side.. but its wery djumpy and in my opinion only works for ruff navigation, nothing more.

/Chainsaw

Capt_Haddock
07-11-2005, 04:02 PM
That is fantastic stuff! Thanks so much for posting the screenshots Chainsaw http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It's amazing how many areas of this sime I still haven't explored in detail. We are really spoiled kids.

Please, do drop us a line in the forums if you find a good way around the lack of waypoints on the Betty. I'll do some research of my own... just for fun.

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JG53Frankyboy
07-11-2005, 04:20 PM
i have also wondered why a long range bomber has no Radiohoming (nothin else are these "waypointindicators" )indicator in the cockpit. perhaps it was at the radiooperator station . to which we cant switch http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

F10_Chainsaw
07-12-2005, 08:11 AM
Capt_Haddock: I will inform You IF I find something, but it doenst look to good right now... But I will keep you informed if I find something...
And feel free to tell me if you on the other hand find something. looks like I have to navigate without it... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

JG53Frankyboy: no, doenst make sense at all, the pilot needs it up front to read it esier, notice how the heinkel has it, they have ewen moved the compass to the right so you can have the more detailed in front of you...

Capt_Haddock
07-12-2005, 04:46 PM
Tried the Val and that radio homming gauge works a treat. I love the way the needle shakes slightly. Makes it look quite believable. After a quick try I spent ages in the FMB making all sorts of short missions with waypoints everywere. Simple fun always the best http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I guess for the Betty we'll have to ressort to the old map and pencil. I better find that protractor soon...

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F10_Chainsaw
07-13-2005, 07:21 AM
Originally posted by Capt_Haddock:
Tried the Val and that radio homming gauge works a treat. I love the way the needle shakes slightly. Makes it look quite believable. After a quick try I spent ages in the FMB making all sorts of short missions with waypoints everywere. Simple fun always the best http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I guess for the Betty we'll have to ressort to the old map and pencil. I better find that protractor soon...

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If You liked the vals indicator... try the HE-111 then http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif