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slipBall
03-24-2007, 03:03 PM
I want to try out a force feed back stick, it seems one is easily gotten on e-bay...my question is what do you feel...do you feel the engine running, 50 cal burst hitting your wings http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

AFJ_rsm
03-24-2007, 09:05 PM
you feel the bumps on the tarmac

you feel your guns when you fire

and you feel your control surfaces (only thing that makes it worthwhile IMO). Thanks to this you can feel when you're really pushing the aircraft to its limits and when you're about to stall (you get a small shake)


Be sure to get the modified forcefeedback files =AFJ=Mantis made frmo www.airwarfare.com (http://www.airwarfare.com)

Zeus-cat
03-24-2007, 09:15 PM
A good force feedback stick gets very stiff when you are flying fast and the control surfaces don't want to move. When you stall it goes limp - and then you take these little pills - oh never mind.

Seriously, I love my MSFF2

papotex
03-24-2007, 10:40 PM
you can go a much cheaper route and get great Force feedback.

buy this gamepad: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/E...=2225,CONTENTID=8674 (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2225,CONTENTID=8674)

buy velcro straps and strap the thing to your chairs armrest.

not only will the whole chair vibrate when with
bumps on the tarmac, when fire guns
and when you are about to stall, but take a look at all those new programable controls.

including those two mini joysticks.(i have one of mine to control the guided missiles/bomb sight.

I had to edit my forcefeedback files so they feel just right.

i can just email them to you

R_Target
03-24-2007, 10:56 PM
I have a Saitek Rumblepad mounted under my CH Stick. I don't get any FFB stick effects obviously, but I get plenty of gun-shake and stall buffet. I also get a little bump when wheels touch down or when I'm taking fire.

jermin122
03-24-2007, 11:52 PM
vibration feed back is quite different from force feed back. You won't feel the directions of forces. Just vibrations of different sizes.

msff2 is just a fantastic joystick and a red edition one as a backup is on its way. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

SeaVee
03-25-2007, 12:34 PM
I have 2 MSFFB2 sticks. The best FFB sticks ever made IMHO and maybe the best sticks ever made period.

I uploaded the Sidewinder Central 4.0 software for the MSFFB2 sticks for people to download because if you get it off e-bay it may be missing the driver/install disk. Its in the thread linked below.

Also you may want to consider the Buttkicker Gamer for the vibration effects. Its only about $50 at gogamer.com

See:
http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7401

Xiolablu3
03-25-2007, 12:49 PM
I have a MS FF Pro, old gameport version I picked up for 5 on Ebay boxed/mint.

I love it, its a big heavy beast and I never spin out anymore as I can feel when I am pushing the plane too hard in turns. Makes flying the Fw190 and P51 a dream.

Its much easier to keep your speed up and not burn off enrgy in turns when you have FF.

slipBall
03-25-2007, 02:51 PM
Thank's guys, looks like I'll get a MSFFB 2...I'm heading to e-bay, let the bidding begin http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

SeaVee
03-25-2007, 02:57 PM
Prices of course will vary but wifey got my backup MSFFB2 ("red button edition") stick on e-bay in early February, 2007 for $130 including shipping.

Also the FFB effects in Il2 and BoB2 are quite well done. If you fly FSX or CFS3 the force feedback effects are very wimpy and there is no way to beef them up.

slipBall
03-25-2007, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by papotex:
you can go a much cheaper route and get great Force feedback.

buy this gamepad: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/E...=2225,CONTENTID=8674 (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2225,CONTENTID=8674)

buy velcro straps and strap the thing to your chairs armrest.

not only will the whole chair vibrate when with
bumps on the tarmac, when fire guns
and when you are about to stall, but take a look at all those new programable controls.

including those two mini joysticks.(i have one of mine to control the guided missiles/bomb sight.

I had to edit my forcefeedback files so they feel just right.

i can just email them to you

I may try this also http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

II_JG1.Priller
03-25-2007, 05:30 PM
What are the major differences between the MS FFB2 and MS FF Pro? The older ones don't get much play on E-Bay and can be had cheap.

papotex
03-25-2007, 06:24 PM
slipball just remember to ask me about the forcefeedback files, i had to edit mine to get the forces just right.

i also own a MSFF2 but im kinda saving it for BOB.

AFJ_rsm
03-25-2007, 07:09 PM
the old ms ffb pro is gameport

ffb2 is usb as far as i remember



windows xp 64 bit and now windows vista (either 32 or 64 bit) dont support gameport. FFB2 is the one to get.

Bearcat99
03-25-2007, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by papotex:
slipball just remember to ask me about the forcefeedback files, i had to edit mine to get the forces just right.

i also own a MSFF2 but im kinda saving it for BOB.

The original FFB USB stick I got in 2001 when I started simming in earnest CFS1 still works fine. For me the best thing about FFB is the flying itself. I never was a big fan of the gun shake or the hit shake... but being able to feel your plane is priceless.... just from the stick.. at least in this sim.. I can tell my bomb load... speed, altitude... relatively anyway... and any kind of damage.

rnzoli
03-26-2007, 02:26 AM
msff2 is just a fantastic joystick and a red edition one as a backup is on its way

I have 2 MSFFB2 sticks

wifey got my backup MSFFB2

i also own a MSFF2 but im kinda saving it for BOB.

I can't believe my eyes...seems like half of the working MSFFB2 sticks are actually kept out of use, even though they are the greatest blessing to any IL-2 fan... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

No wonder this anti-social egoist behaviour drives up MSFFB2 prices... ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

SeaVee
03-26-2007, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by II_JG1.Priller:
What are the major differences between the MS FFB2 and MS FF Pro? The older ones don't get much play on E-Bay and can be had cheap.

AFJ_rsm is correct, older MSFFB Pro is a gameport connector joystick, the newer MSFFB2 is a USB connector stick.

Be very careful about the MFSB Pro for that reason. It is also NOT fully supported in WinXP and later operating systems. Not all games will produce the full range of FFB effects when using the MSFFB Pro and the newer operating systems. I know this is the case with BoB2.

slipBall
03-27-2007, 01:39 PM
Well I won a brand new Red edition MSFFB 2....please don't ask "how much she cost you"... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif...a couple of night's on the couch, and all will be well soon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Bearcat99
03-27-2007, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">msff2 is just a fantastic joystick and a red edition one as a backup is on its way

I have 2 MSFFB2 sticks

wifey got my backup MSFFB2

i also own a MSFF2 but im kinda saving it for BOB.

I can't believe my eyes...seems like half of the working MSFFB2 sticks are actually kept out of use, even though they are the greatest blessing to any IL-2 fan... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

No wonder this anti-social egoist behaviour drives up MSFFB2 prices... ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did I mentuion that I have a MSFFB2 brand new in the box that I picked up for $49 when I worked at Best Buy.

plucka99
03-27-2007, 05:44 PM
Hey Xiolablu3,
How did you get FF to work with original Sidewinder?? Your the 1st person I've heard of get it working. Are you running XP? I have the same stick (gameport) and cant get FF to work in any game. There is no software or drivers that seem available for XP, only the built in ones which while the stick works has no settings for FF.

SeaVee
03-27-2007, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:

Did I mentuion that I have a MSFFB2 brand new in the box that I picked up for $49 when I worked at Best Buy.

Bearcat99,

You are an absolute SADIST! :-)

gorillasika
03-28-2007, 03:10 AM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">msff2 is just a fantastic joystick and a red edition one as a backup is on its way

I have 2 MSFFB2 sticks

wifey got my backup MSFFB2

i also own a MSFF2 but im kinda saving it for BOB.

I can't believe my eyes...seems like half of the working MSFFB2 sticks are actually kept out of use, even though they are the greatest blessing to any IL-2 fan... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

No wonder this anti-social egoist behaviour drives up MSFFB2 prices... ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heh, heh. I have two also, one in the use and a relatively new one waiting for BOB http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I hope that BOB will support it... otherwise, talk about waste of money on the shelf http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

slipBall
03-28-2007, 02:13 PM
(quote)
Did I mentuion that I have a MSFFB2 brand new in the box that I picked up for $49 when I worked at Best Buy.

Those price guns come in handy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Xiolablu3
03-28-2007, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by plucka99:
Hey Xiolablu3,
How did you get FF to work with original Sidewinder?? Your the 1st person I've heard of get it working. Are you running XP? I have the same stick (gameport) and cant get FF to work in any game. There is no software or drivers that seem available for XP, only the built in ones which while the stick works has no settings for FF.


Hi mate, sorry I missed this, I have answered your PM, but I replyed before I saw this post.

OK.

I need as much info about your comp/soundcard/gameport/motherboard as you can give me.

I gave you quick instructions how to set it up on XP if everything is working correctly, but I suspect that it is not otherwise you would not be having problems.

Some extra info :-

You can buy an old SOundblaser Live! or old soundcard off ebay for about 2 and use just the gameport if needs be. I use an Aureal Vortex 1 with all the sound features switched off, just gameport on. LAso use a SOundblaster Live! for my soundcard.

If you have an NFORCE motherboard then SOundblaster/creative Gameports will NOT work - you must buy a different make of soundcard with a gameport, such as Aureal Vortex.

How far are you actually gettng in the installation? Can you actually use the stick but the force feedback isnt working? IS windows detecting the joystick OK? It should be detected as

Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback Pro - OK

Once this is done, the force feedback is working right away. There is a little camera near your little finger which detects if you have hold of the stick in order to apply force feedback (To stop the stick flinging about when you dont have hold of it)

Please give me more info, here or in PM http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

plucka99
03-28-2007, 05:25 PM
Thanks Xiolablu3,
Yeah the stick is detected fine and works just no FFB, using the motherboard on board gameport. Thats interesting about the sensor though- I never knew that- I had actually taped some foam around the handle for more comfort and yes it does "jump" around as soon as you power it on. I'll try taking the foam off but I suspect that I might need to get a soundcard like you mentioned.

AFJ_rsm
03-28-2007, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:

If you have an NFORCE motherboard then SOundblaster/creative Gameports will NOT work - you must buy a different make of soundcard with a gameport, such as Aureal Vortex.


Not true I believe. I have an Nforce 250 ultra based mobo with a soundblaster live soundcard as my gameport bed and it has always worked fine. Ms ffb pro joystick as well.

venny1962
03-28-2007, 09:03 PM
thanks SeaVee <<salute>>!! wow i just posted in the help forum last week to see if there were other drivers out there for my MSFFb2. not happy with the pressure (too limp)! downloading the software right now. i hope it helps! i bought this stick from my local small town radioshack a year 1/2 ago for $99 bucks. it had been there for a few years.

Bearcat99
03-28-2007, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by slipBall:
(quote)
Did I mentuion that I have a MSFFB2 brand new in the box that I picked up for $49 when I worked at Best Buy.

Those price guns come in handy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

LOL... nope.. actually that was the price with the employee discount. When I heard that they were going out I promptly bought one.

venny1962
03-29-2007, 11:23 AM
<S> SeaVee. i just checked my driver version for my MSFFB2 stick & it's 4.50 which came with the stick. is the 4.0 version from microsoft? because i know that microsoft has not done any new updates for years.

my problem is that the flight control pressures are weak but the feedback is great. i do have the adjustment cranked up all the way in the settings. i also don't have the same problem in other flight sims that i play just IL2. any ideas would be much appreciated! <S>

FoolTrottel
03-29-2007, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by slipBall:
(...) my question is what do you feel (..)
Lots, with this monster:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/GuillemotFFB.jpg
Guillemot Forcefeedback joystick.
(And, I have a spare one too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

Me likes you feel the control forces change as speed changes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

slipBall
03-29-2007, 02:59 PM
Wow Fool! ( may I call you Fool http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif)...that is a lot of stick you got there...I bet the house shake's http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif...is Guillemot still making FFB?

FoolTrottel
03-29-2007, 03:25 PM
Nope.
It's an old and very rare stick.

But it's very good.

Some three years ago, a local store in the town I live in happened to have two of 'm 'in stock' as a leftover from the previous store owner... I saw one of 'm sitting on a shelf, asked about it, got it for EUR 35,=...

Kept visiting that store, watching my 'backup stick' there, and had two wait for about a year for them to be willing to sell it to me for EUR 20.=)

Two weeks ago I saw one change hands via ebay, for $0.99 ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

I consider myself very lucky its 95/98/w2000 drivers work okay on XP.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

(If I recall correctly, the stick part of Guillemot has been taken over by Thrustmaster...)

Oh, BTW, you can call me anything you like... I don't mind...

DooDaH2007
03-29-2007, 03:29 PM
my problem is that the flight control pressures are weak but the feedback is great. i do have the adjustment cranked up all the way in the settings. i also don't have the same problem in other flight sims that i play just IL2. any ideas would be much appreciated! <S>

See my thread here:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9601063545