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BrotherVoodoo
01-14-2008, 09:48 AM
Man I love flying the P39 with the exception of the flat spin of death. I could be at 20K and have all the time in the word, but comming out of a flatspin in the P39 isn't happening. Was the P39 really like this? Has any of you ever pulled out of the flat spin in a P39 and if so how did you do it.

jarink
01-14-2008, 09:52 AM
By all accounts I have read, that's how it really was.

erco415
01-14-2008, 09:59 AM
I've got a technique that was discussed here:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/540...401035115#5401035115 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/5401035115?r=5401035115#5401035115)

berg417448
01-14-2008, 10:01 AM
Spin recovery technique for the P-39 is different. This link has some tips that might be useful:

http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Knowledge_Base&...print&kid=286&page=1 (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Knowledge_Base&file=print&kid=286&page=1)

SeaFireLIV
01-14-2008, 10:03 AM
I`ve not flatspun in a P38 yet, but I`ve had them do that strange wobble inverted back-to-front-`what the hell`s happening?` thing.

Which I think they really did in reality and was unique to the P38.

DrHerb
01-14-2008, 10:15 AM
remember the spins in the ta-152? those were a pain to get out of

JG53Frankyboy
01-14-2008, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by DrHerb:
remember the spins in the ta-152? those were a pain to get out of

remember the P-39 FM in very old IL2 versions..... in that time it stalled as soon you thought of a turn http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

general_kalle
01-14-2008, 11:10 AM
p39 is one of my favorite aircrafts. i dont fly it that often anymore but i consider grabbing it weather its a dogfight or a coop.

concerning the flatspin the first rule is of course not to spin it.
should it happen the best is to pull the stick forward, rudder opposite spin direktion and gear and full flaps.

this was wrote in one of the links but i agree on that from own experience.

if those aktians are initiated imidatly upon spin you can be lucky to recover less than 1000 meters lower.

the gun is very very mean http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Pablo_uk
01-14-2008, 11:20 AM
Same here, totally impossible to get out of.



Flying online as [^]Pablo

K_Freddie
01-14-2008, 11:25 AM
Yep I'll go for that 'speed up the spin' recovery. I've found that the P39 and FW190 literally leap out of a spin, when first enhancing the spin, then doing the standard recovery.
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Copperhead311th
01-14-2008, 12:37 PM
yeah yer man handleing her to much. ya gotta be a little loose with the stick. If your in the weeds and goin in ya can hang it up and just bail. no hope.
With a lil alt. i nose her down & firewall the throttle. the kick the rudder. that'll usually work for me.
the p-39 isnt as forgiving as the p-40. i've puuled out of death stalls in the p-40 that i thought for sure would kill me.

ochi
01-14-2008, 12:38 PM
The only time i ever got out of the P-39 flat spin of death i was at about 15,000 ft. Deployed flaps, deployed landing gear, still would't come out of it, i shut down the engine and bingo, she came out of it. straightened out, gear up, flaps up, start engine and barely pulled out before the ground met me. Had to land and change my pants. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

BrotherVoodoo
01-14-2008, 12:48 PM
Great information gentlemen, I appreciate it. I will heed the advise here and see if I can beat the spin. I copied this from M4T:

The fully developed P39 spin is a two-phase affair: slow rotation followed by fast rotation, in alternance. When you've entered a spin, immediately cut throttle and apply full BACK pressure. As soon as you have identified rotation direction, apply full rudder WITH rotation, keeping the back stick pressure. When gyration slows down, apply hard opposite rudder and right after, push stick full forward with aileron AGAINST spin. In about turns, the aircraft should stop rotating, at which point you bring all controls to normal. WAIT before you pull up: if you pull up too soon, you will re-enter a secondary (usually deadly) spin.
It might seem daunting at first, but after 20-30 spins, this becomes quite natural. After a while, you will also be able to properly assess the plane's state and be able to see if you have to do the 'fast rotate: with rotation, back stick' thing or only the 'slow rotate: against rotation, forward stick' procedure. Happy spinning!

I will also try dropping the gear and see how that affects the spin. I realise this happens because of man handeling the plane a little too much. I will remember to be more sparing on my control inputs.