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BSS_Goat
07-20-2006, 05:41 AM
I was out in my garden (vegetable garden for our 'yurpeon friends) chopping some weeds. Looking down I saw a round object on top of the ground, thinking it was a coin I reached down and picked it up. On the front was the state seal of Virginia and on the back was a brass loop to sew it to a uniform. It looked like it was dropped there only weeks ago and still had most of the brass.
I found out it was made in Baltimore in the 1850's for the Virginia Militia and was used in the War of Northern Aggression.
My house is in a small town (pop 1200) next to the old courthouse.
The soil (southeast Virginia)is very sandy and drains well so the button is almost perfect.
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j141/goatkisser/B3782.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j141/goatkisser/B4420B.jpg

BSS_Goat
07-20-2006, 05:41 AM
I was out in my garden (vegetable garden for our 'yurpeon friends) chopping some weeds. Looking down I saw a round object on top of the ground, thinking it was a coin I reached down and picked it up. On the front was the state seal of Virginia and on the back was a brass loop to sew it to a uniform. It looked like it was dropped there only weeks ago and still had most of the brass.
I found out it was made in Baltimore in the 1850's for the Virginia Militia and was used in the War of Northern Aggression.
My house is in a small town (pop 1200) next to the old courthouse.
The soil (southeast Virginia)is very sandy and drains well so the button is almost perfect.
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j141/goatkisser/B3782.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j141/goatkisser/B4420B.jpg

ploughman
07-20-2006, 05:49 AM
Nice. Looks like it fell there yesterday.

The latin is "sic semper tyrannis" or "thus always to tyrants" which is the Virginia state motto and is attributed to Brutus when he sorted out Caesar.

But I guess you already know that.

PBNA-Boosher
07-20-2006, 06:05 AM
That's an amazing find, Goat. It looks real enough, but I'm not close enough to it to judge it as real or not. Have you ever gone to a re-enactment? It looks tarnished a bit, maybe not enough, but soil's done some very weird preservations beforehand.

That being said, if it is genuine, there's no telling where it could have come from. From 1861 to 1865, uniforms for the South were very non-standard. Most didn't have them at all, but wore their own clothing as uniforms. As time went on, clothes became rags, men picked up clothing off of people who wouldn't need it anymore, I.E., the dead or greviously wounded. Buttons, hats, coats, pants, etc... exchanged owners so many times that I believe it would be near impossible to identify where exactly this button served. Our only hint is that it's from the Virginia Militia, 1850's. That means that it could have been used from 1861 to the end of the war in 1865. Four years of hard marching and war, of tired young men, powder burns and the stink of rotting flesh, we should be surprised that this button is not more tarnished.

Check these from Shiloh Relics.com (http://www.shilohrelics.com/)

http://www.shilohrelics.com/images/store/{38A5D23C-A68D-4050-9511-084551961CA4}_DSC00050.jpg

http://www.shilohrelics.com/images/store/{B925EAB8-0072-48B6-8309-688AF8CAFF12}_DSC00051.jpg

If we take a look at this Virginia Militia uniform, ca. 1850, we can see that the buttons are slightly more jutted out and rotund:

http://www.horsesoldier.com/catalog/298-02a.JPEG

How tall, from the top of the button to the end of the loop, is the button, Goat?

BSS_Goat
07-20-2006, 06:11 AM
Sorry for the misunderstanding. The picture is not of my button, I got it off the net to show ya'll which button I had. Mine has a patina but no dents or crushing.

Pics are from this site under Virginia #4420
http://www.relicman.com/butc.htm

flakwagen
07-20-2006, 06:24 AM
It appears to be a Canfield & Bros. button, made in Baltimore, MD. Go to this page and look up item VA13A2:

http://civilwarbuttons.com/csstatelist.htm

It also appears that your button has been recently polished, which may hurt the value somewhat. There are multiple finishes and different makers listed.

I doubt the button has been sitting where you found it since the Civil War. You may want to call the police and inquire about recent civil war collection thefts in the area. The worst thing that could happen is that a rightful owner might pop up. And you'd have a clear conscience, no matter what happens.

Many years ago I heard a hilarious but tragic story about a man who found a civil war era cavalry horn at a yard sale. One day his wife decided to polish it! Needless to say, she learned not to "clean up" historical artifacts the hard $$$$ way.

Flak

EDIT: Ok, that isn't your button. I'm glad the patina is intact. I'd still be mighty suspicious of the find location unless it has a bit of green oxidation on it.

BSS_Goat
07-20-2006, 06:27 AM
Falkwagon I'm interested in your input, read my reply above and please respond.

BSS_Goat
07-20-2006, 06:30 AM
I was thinking troops camped near the courthouse or a drill field near the courthouse.
BTW My house was built in 1794 and the Courthouse in early 1800's.

Bearcat99
07-20-2006, 06:33 AM
Ludner should be here soon.. he is an avid civil war era lover.

DuxCorvan
07-20-2006, 07:19 AM
"Sic semper tyrannis"... is not that what J. W. Booth shouted after shooting Abe Lincoln in the Ford Theatre?

BTW, Goat said his button is not polished at all, that the pic is not from his button. It well may be an original, not yet discovered item.

slipBall
07-20-2006, 07:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I was out in my garden (vegetable garden for our 'yurpeon friends) chopping some weeds. Looking down I saw a round object on top of the ground, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


cool find, maybe if you did turn the soil before planting, that would explain the find in it's surface location

jensenpark
07-20-2006, 08:32 AM
War of Northern Aggression?

LOL - I like that one...never heard it described as that before.

Diablo310th
07-20-2006, 08:51 AM
Goat...that is an awsome find.

BSS_Goat
07-20-2006, 09:15 AM
Dux: I think you are correct.

Slipball: I ran a rotor-tiller and turned up the soil to about 12" deep.

Jensenpark : Seems appropriate, they invaded us. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Diablo: Thanks. I think I'm gonna rent a backhoe for the weekend http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

MLudner
07-20-2006, 11:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
"Sic semper tyrannis"... is not that what J. W. Booth shouted after shooting Abe Lincoln in the Ford Theatre?

BTW, Goat said his button is not polished at all, that the pic is not from his button. It well may be an original, not yet discovered item. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


It was. Booth was quoting IVNIVS BRVTVS.

justiceboy
07-20-2006, 11:57 AM
I would take it to the nearest University, and see what they say. They may tell you about the location of your home, maybe it was a traveled area where soldiers would march, or maybe it was a battle field, or maybe even a mass burial site. eeeeeek, don't go pulling out the back hoe just yet, you may find our more than you would like.

Worf101
07-20-2006, 12:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jensenpark:
War of Northern Aggression?

LOL - I like that one...never heard it described as that before. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yup, the forget the little facts like THEY FIRED FIRST!!!! LOL. Granny Clampett called "The War Where the South Licked The North".

Da Worfster

DuxCorvan
07-20-2006, 12:03 PM
Any grey coat ghosts around home, Goat? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

MLudner
07-20-2006, 12:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jensenpark:
War of Northern Aggression?

LOL - I like that one...never heard it described as that before. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have. Funny, they start the war after having a hissy fit over an election they blew and lost due to their own pig-headedness, then call it that. Slavocrat hypocrisy never did know any bounds, neither then or now. Sort of like fighting for freedom to keep others enslaved.

It is also called:
The First Crusade Against the Slavocrats
The War for Southern Emancipation
The War of Southern Treachery


That, Goat, is why I use the term War of Secession; it's neutral http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif And, since it was not actually a civil war I won't call it that.


That's a great find though; congratulations http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Too bad that pic was not of the button you actually found. Maybe you could take the one you found and hammer it flat so that you could scan it ...
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

BSS_Goat
07-20-2006, 12:36 PM
Mludner I got it beat flat http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif but the %&*^#$ thing is jammed in my floppy drive.

MLudner
07-20-2006, 12:44 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif You still have a floppy drive?

That might be more valuable than the button. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

BSS_Goat
07-20-2006, 01:40 PM
Now that I have it removed, I was thinking of displaying it.....what type of gold paint do ya'll recommend?