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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 12:23 PM
New aviation history articles from Finnish Virtual Pilots Association

Fetching the Hurricanes

When Winter War started, with Soviet Union's attack against the tiny Finland, Finnish government started seeking for equipment and aircraft from any plane and country that would sell.

http://www.virtualpilots.fi ( <a href=)/hist/" target=_blank> http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/</a>kuvat/ww2history-hchakumatka01.jpg" target=_blank>http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/kuvat/ww2history-hchakumatka01.jpg[/img]</a>

"Calle: Let's review the general situation at first. Finland was a poor country, so we couldn't buy proper flight equipment before the World War II. Only when the war began, people got busy. All embassies around the world were instructed to acquire planes, cheaply of course. Nobody was really willing to sell planes at that time, when they weren't sure if they'd themselves have use for them. But we had good enough trade relationships with England, we sold them wood, butter and things like that. They gave us ten Gloster Gladiator II planes as present, and we bought twenty more. We needed better equipment too, so on Feb 2th, '40, they agreed that we could buy 12 of their Hawker Hurricane Mk I fighters. The Trade Agreement #1555/40 was dated retroactively to February 17th, though the planes were handed over to the Air Force on Feb 21 and Feb 26. The planes were numbered HU-451 to 462."

Britain agreed to sell 12 Hawker Hurricane fighters. 12 Finnish pilots was sent to Britain for training.

In this unique document four Finnish Hurricane pilots ponder the backgrounds for Finland's Hurricane purchase and especially the mission to train 12 young pilots to Hurricanes - and ferry them to Finland in early 1940. The HC pilots think back their training, the people and the transfer flight to Finland.

"A: Pinkham's officers were waiting for us at the station near St.Athan. They took us by lorries straight to the air base commander. He was Air Commodore Rt.Hon.J.D.Boyle. He gave a magnificently beautiful speech to the "heroic Finns." Even Paavo "Jesus" Myllyl√¬§ nudged my sleeve and said, "Isi, we're tough guys.""

"A: It was fun time, when we flew. There were no flying of flag, giving signs or shouts of any kind. When we left from the hangars, we started from two sides of the field, gathered downwind and took off in order. Same thing with landings, so it went fine. There were British students too. Once Jussi was on the field with Pinkham, when a HC came with the propellor set on steep angle, gear and flaps up, and landed on the field. The plane ended up near the hangar wall. "Let's go and see first," said Jussi. It was a Canadian who emerged from the plane. Jussi patted Pinkham on the shoulder and said, "your boy!""

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In another new article, "Torsten Sannamo and the POW", the Blenheim gunner Torsten Sannamo thinks back about a strange encounter during the war.

]http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/kuvat/ww2history-urbanblitz2003-sannamo1t.jpg (http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/kuvat/ww2history-urbanblitz2003-sannamo1t.jpg[/img)

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The article "Remembering Kullervo Lahtela" tells about the less known great Finnish pilot, Kullervo Lahtela, who was a successful trainer and he prepared for war a number of young, enthusiastic, and above all highly qualified combat pilots, who performed with excellence in aerial battle. During the war years he served in LeLv 32, 34, HLeLv 30 and finally as the squadron commander of HLeLv 32.

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You can read these articles from the Finnish Virtual Pilots Association aviation history site:

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/

Feedback / comments appreciated.

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Virtuaalilent√¬§j√¬§t ry - Virtual Pilots Finland Association is an association, which purpose is to promote World War II multiplayer flight simulators and aviation hobby among people interested in aviation. More information about the association is available from http://www.virtualpilots.fi . Our plan of action also includes active research and preservation of Finnish aviation history - more about that from http://www.virtualpilots.fi/en/ ( <A HREF=)info/hist/" target=_blank>http://www.virtualpilots.fi/en/info/hist/</a> and http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/ .

Jukka O. Kauppinen - tel. +358-40-730 0036
Grendel, VLeLv Icebreakers
Finnish Virtual Pilots Association



VirtuaaliLentoLaivue Icebreakers
http://www.compart.fi/icebreakers/
Finnish Virtual Pilots Association
http://www.virtualpilots.fi/en/

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 12:23 PM
New aviation history articles from Finnish Virtual Pilots Association

Fetching the Hurricanes

When Winter War started, with Soviet Union's attack against the tiny Finland, Finnish government started seeking for equipment and aircraft from any plane and country that would sell.

http://www.virtualpilots.fi ( <a href=)/hist/" target=_blank> http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/</a>kuvat/ww2history-hchakumatka01.jpg" target=_blank>http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/kuvat/ww2history-hchakumatka01.jpg[/img]</a>

"Calle: Let's review the general situation at first. Finland was a poor country, so we couldn't buy proper flight equipment before the World War II. Only when the war began, people got busy. All embassies around the world were instructed to acquire planes, cheaply of course. Nobody was really willing to sell planes at that time, when they weren't sure if they'd themselves have use for them. But we had good enough trade relationships with England, we sold them wood, butter and things like that. They gave us ten Gloster Gladiator II planes as present, and we bought twenty more. We needed better equipment too, so on Feb 2th, '40, they agreed that we could buy 12 of their Hawker Hurricane Mk I fighters. The Trade Agreement #1555/40 was dated retroactively to February 17th, though the planes were handed over to the Air Force on Feb 21 and Feb 26. The planes were numbered HU-451 to 462."

Britain agreed to sell 12 Hawker Hurricane fighters. 12 Finnish pilots was sent to Britain for training.

In this unique document four Finnish Hurricane pilots ponder the backgrounds for Finland's Hurricane purchase and especially the mission to train 12 young pilots to Hurricanes - and ferry them to Finland in early 1940. The HC pilots think back their training, the people and the transfer flight to Finland.

"A: Pinkham's officers were waiting for us at the station near St.Athan. They took us by lorries straight to the air base commander. He was Air Commodore Rt.Hon.J.D.Boyle. He gave a magnificently beautiful speech to the "heroic Finns." Even Paavo "Jesus" Myllyl√¬§ nudged my sleeve and said, "Isi, we're tough guys.""

"A: It was fun time, when we flew. There were no flying of flag, giving signs or shouts of any kind. When we left from the hangars, we started from two sides of the field, gathered downwind and took off in order. Same thing with landings, so it went fine. There were British students too. Once Jussi was on the field with Pinkham, when a HC came with the propellor set on steep angle, gear and flaps up, and landed on the field. The plane ended up near the hangar wall. "Let's go and see first," said Jussi. It was a Canadian who emerged from the plane. Jussi patted Pinkham on the shoulder and said, "your boy!""

--

In another new article, "Torsten Sannamo and the POW", the Blenheim gunner Torsten Sannamo thinks back about a strange encounter during the war.

]http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/kuvat/ww2history-urbanblitz2003-sannamo1t.jpg (http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/kuvat/ww2history-urbanblitz2003-sannamo1t.jpg[/img)

--

The article "Remembering Kullervo Lahtela" tells about the less known great Finnish pilot, Kullervo Lahtela, who was a successful trainer and he prepared for war a number of young, enthusiastic, and above all highly qualified combat pilots, who performed with excellence in aerial battle. During the war years he served in LeLv 32, 34, HLeLv 30 and finally as the squadron commander of HLeLv 32.

--

You can read these articles from the Finnish Virtual Pilots Association aviation history site:

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/

Feedback / comments appreciated.

--


Virtuaalilent√¬§j√¬§t ry - Virtual Pilots Finland Association is an association, which purpose is to promote World War II multiplayer flight simulators and aviation hobby among people interested in aviation. More information about the association is available from http://www.virtualpilots.fi . Our plan of action also includes active research and preservation of Finnish aviation history - more about that from http://www.virtualpilots.fi/en/ ( <A HREF=)info/hist/" target=_blank>http://www.virtualpilots.fi/en/info/hist/</a> and http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/ .

Jukka O. Kauppinen - tel. +358-40-730 0036
Grendel, VLeLv Icebreakers
Finnish Virtual Pilots Association



VirtuaaliLentoLaivue Icebreakers
http://www.compart.fi/icebreakers/
Finnish Virtual Pilots Association
http://www.virtualpilots.fi/en/

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 10:35 PM
Kiitos Mr Grendel!!!

Sadly there is little discussion about the finnish pilot history on this forum. though there is i think, lots of them/us here.

Finnish wartime aviation is hardly known at all outside finnland,wich is really strange since they flew bf109 :s
and the aces had so many kills. More than any US or english pilot.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 01:44 AM
ob swe wrote:

...Finnish aces had soooo many kills.More than any US or english pilot.

Finish pilots had more kills than US and UK pilots,because they did overclaim their kills.Get real.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 03:37 AM
What is this Grendel-B business? Are you a modification of the original Grendel? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 03:43 AM
Gustoy wrote:
- ob swe wrote:
-
- ...Finnish aces had soooo many kills.More than any
- US or english pilot.
-
- Finish pilots had more kills than US and UK
- pilots,because they did overclaim their kills.Get
- real.


Oh no, someones national feeling was just stepped upon/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I wonder what nationality he is???/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 04:41 AM
To jmmoric:

My answer had nothing to do with my national feelings.The guy sounds too naive and brave,without any proof of their kills.I mean proved kills.
That's it chmmoric.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 04:52 AM
I know, you were almost biting his head off and didn't show any documentation either, without even giving him a chance of proving himself..

Regards/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 05:04 AM
Whoa, there, gustov--my understanding is that of all the air forces involved in WWII, the total aircraft claimed destroyed by Finnish pilots is the closest of all to actual Soviet losses. Seems to me the Finns did less overclaiming than anybody else.

One should be a little cautious about making those kinds of statements anyway, since overclaiming seems to be an occupational hazard of fighter piloting regardless of which country they fought for.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 05:56 AM
First of all.
I would like to correct you on Gustov.Please pay attention.It isn't gustov.It is Gus toy.
To business now.You just did type lots of words,which means nothing without proof or as jammoric said'Documantation'.Give me something real.
I am sick of the myths.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 02:16 PM
Oh pleaase Gustov.. have some respect for Finnish aces..

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 02:42 PM
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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 06:58 PM
Gustoy wrote:
- ob swe wrote:
-
- ...Finnish aces had soooo many kills.More than any
- US or english pilot.
-
- Finish pilots had more kills than US and UK
- pilots,because they did overclaim their kills.Get
- real.
-
-

And that is total BS. Every kill have to verified by ground units, observers or wingmen. One of the aces quit to report his claims completely when his kills were once ignored. Nevertheless he got claims afterward he said, that he shot down at least 20+. Grendel knows this better if he even bothers to answer your childish yelling.

Where is your proof of finns overclaims? And how about russian claims? They shot down more Brewsters than FiAF had planes!