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Chuck_Older
10-28-2004, 07:18 PM
Boy, I needed to get that off my chest http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif I'm gonna go lie down for a bit

berg417448
10-28-2004, 07:21 PM
Reminded me of the old Seinfeld episode where Frank is supposed to say "serenity now" every time his blood pressure is in danger of going up. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Chuck_Older
10-28-2004, 07:27 PM
None of this would have happened if my passenger side cylinder head would have just come the f* off this afternoon. I was perfectly well adjusted until it took 3 hours to get that thing off... must get precious sleep

JR_Greenhorn
10-28-2004, 07:38 PM
No problem, Chuck.

What was the offending cylinder head refusing to come free of? Some of the rest of us are into cars as well, you see. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Chuck_Older
10-28-2004, 07:46 PM
Oh, I use undercut head studs.

I have a Buick 455 bored to 462 cid, and the Buick design uses 10 bolts per head. I run 10.1:1 pistons, and I just got small chamber aluminum heads for it, so I wanted to use my studs, and I when I got them a few years ago and installed them, I made sure they were undercut, so I won't have any head gasket problems. I actually had to go with a higher lift and duration cam just to lower some cyinder head pressures. Well, the 15 hp gain is nice, too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But, you see, the anti-seize and some oil from the studs when I torqued them got trapped in the holes in the head the studs/bolts pass through. Luckily the Buick design doesn't have the bolts go into the water jacket like some GMs, I'd have REAL problems!

That little bit of crud in the holes, plus the undercut shoulder on the studs, meant that I was just compressing that little bit of uck to the point that the crud on the studs was locking in the head! I had to take each stud out while the head was still on, and of course, my stud extractor was an hour's drive away...and I do this for "fun"

T_O_A_D
10-28-2004, 07:46 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif Probably a bolt http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif Or it was front wheel drive and it was the head nearest the firewall. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

I'll work on anything but FRONT WHEEL DRIVE http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Chuck_Older
10-28-2004, 07:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif Probably a bolt http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif Or it was front wheel drive and it was the head nearest the firewall. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

I'll work on anything but FRONT WHEEL DRIVE http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good guess, but no. It's a 1970 GM A-body, rear wheel drive

And this took all that time with the engine out! The engine is on my stand while I'm doing all this (I had to replace all my main and rod bearings due to an oil pump and pickup problem. I lost oil pressure at about 4,000 rpm). The little bits of icky crud were compressed to hard shells around the studs that I had to scrape off. Must use less anti-seize this time...

JR_Greenhorn
10-28-2004, 08:01 PM
I had a similar problem about a decade ago extracting head bolts on a much milder-built 327.

The engine had last been rebuilt in 1968, and whoever did the job liberally applied some sort of Permatex-branded thread locking compound. Last winter, I took the heads off for the third time since I started with that motor, and that compound is still on the shanks of the bolts. They're hard to remove every time.

I haven't worked on an A-body of that era, but I've got some F-bodies, and you'd have to be nuts to do any engine work that major with the engine in the chassis. I would assume the A-bodys are easier yet to remove the drivetrain.

What was your oiling problem? I once hit a large rock on the gravel road I live on with the oil pan of my 327. The impact pushed the pickup up high enough to starve oil at higher rpm, so I got to do a nice .010/.010 job on the crank there too.

steve_v
10-28-2004, 09:00 PM
Dang, I missed it. Oh well, I'll just sit over here in the corner until the anti-seize fails.

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MK2aw
10-28-2004, 09:12 PM
Chuck!

You are taking attention away from the original post! NEW DGEN!

Relax man......we all love you....

diomedes33
10-28-2004, 09:54 PM
phew I'm not the only one having a bad day.

Stressed out over a huge test
Got rained on while walking home in Arizona (wtf? rain in Arizona)
Drove the Tempe-Mesa-Scottsdale circuit trying to find PF
then ran into a carport rail
...just now one of my fish died
AGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone know when PF will be in stores in the Phoenix area? Everyone I ask at the stores tells me Nov 11 or doesn't know.

Last I saw the release date was 26th.

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LOL just saw chuck's meltdown, guess the release was pushed back to the 30th.

WTE_Ibis
10-29-2004, 02:39 AM
We got it in Tazmania and I believe it's available at the South Pole now as well. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I'd guess
even Badsight has it by now and look where he comes from http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Cheers mate. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WUAF_Badsight
10-29-2004, 02:55 AM
*&!^(&@^# ! ! ! ! !

trumper
10-29-2004, 03:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Ibis:
We got it in Tazmania and I believe it's available at the South Pole now as well. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I'd guess
even Badsight has it by now and look where he comes from http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Cheers mate. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I hear the Hobbits in Middle earth have it now,poor Gollum,if only he had waited he would've had something better than an old gold ring http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

WTE_Ibis
10-29-2004, 03:18 AM
Hey Badsight,love your country man,go fishen on the WAITAKI every year.
Cheers mate. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

WUAF_Badsight
10-29-2004, 03:29 AM
eheheh its all good http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Chuck_Older
10-29-2004, 05:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JR_Greenhorn:

What was your oiling problem? I once hit a large rock on the gravel road I live on with the oil pan of my 327. The impact pushed the pickup up high enough to starve oil at higher rpm, so I got to do a nice .010/.010 job on the crank there too. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, not a dis-similar problem with my engine.

Apparently, the oil filter failed, sometime. I built this engine in 1999 and sometime between then and now, an oil filter failed and some of the paper element went through the engine didn't hurt anything immediately, but slowly the bits clogged up the pickup screen in the sump. I was driving to work last month (car's a driver) and suddenly I had rod knock http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Well, I shut the engine off and trailered it to my Dad's and yank the engine. The pickup screen was covered in papery goo. The oil pump was also just plain too weak, the tolerances were way off when i checked. Buick used an external oil pump that is part of the timing cover. the gears are iron, and the pump is alumunum. They should have sleeved the pump when they designed it but they didn't...so my oil pressure was way too low for the 4000 rpm or so I was pulling (I was in the process of losing a race to a Mustang Cobra, did I mention that part?)

All my main and rod bearings were wiped out, but incredibly the crank had zero damage. I checked all the tolerances and they're right on the money. It's taking forever to get this motor back together and yesterday I also noticed my tranny mount is broken http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Those Buick engines make a lot of torque, I'll have to be more careful with the throttle...yeah, right