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RedDeth
03-07-2005, 11:50 AM
look funny now

it doesnt look realistic anymore like fullreal does now. odd . i used to be die hard pitoff with externals. now it just looks strange to me.

dont get me wrong i enjoy flying the airquake pitoff stuff still for relaxation but it sure aint anything real seeming like pit on locked externals.

jeez id never think id say this but pit on is more challenging and exciting. it gets you amped and on the alert. flying around in pit off feels like i have radar.and gods eye view rolled up in one. i always know when and where everyone is and am never surprised. i can tell you the second a guys gear lift off ground 50 miles away....


i feel like i just found out santa is a FRAUD !!!

can i go back to thinking fullreal is fake, cheesy and easier than arcade? can i have any more delusions why pitoff is really challenging? no i guess not.but now i feel my eyes have finally opened and i was living in the matrix.

now im in the real world! the gritty world.the world of cigar butts and beercans in the bottom of my cockpit!no more arrows. no more flying billboard names! i now live in the world of NEO! outside the matrix!!!

I CAN NOW BREATH THE FRESH AIR OF FULLREAL!!

I L I V E ! ! !


Y E S S S S S S ! ! !


quack

crazyivan1970
03-07-2005, 11:55 AM
RBJ is going to hate you for this thread http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

StellarRat
03-07-2005, 11:56 AM
Have you been drinking again? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Actually, I've been converted to pit on too. I wish Oleg would give us the option to turn the arrows off in pit off games. I'd enjoy much more then and I think it would a happy medium for both types of gamers.

RedDeth
03-07-2005, 11:59 AM
great idea rat

BaldieJr
03-07-2005, 12:05 PM
What do you mean when you say "quack"? Thanks.

RedDeth
03-07-2005, 12:39 PM
the "quack"

it is the word of words. it illuminates a subject. the QUACK emphasizes an emphatic emphasis.

quack means in essence... quack.

quack is the epitome of quackiness .

I quack therfore i am.

shock
surprise
humor
bravado
understanding
thoughtful pondering

ALL these and more bring forth a robust QUACK when all else fails!


kawaaaaaaaaaak

bolillo_loco
03-07-2005, 04:28 PM
if you do not like all the icons just turn them off when you host. I give 6km no color and at 300 meters you get color. the only id you get is at 2km you can see their number. no name tags for anybody, no plane discription, just range and at close range the number.

full real vs arcade??? Long before half the afj went to full real I played it when everybody logged off for the night. I could have sworn I was picked on at times for doing so when I spoke of playing at G/G or W/C. you match me up with another guy and give us both the same plane, full real is easier than arcade.

the only thing hard about full real is fighting off the boredom and fighting against people that have geeked out throttles, track ir, exotic joysticks, and tweaked game settings.

I use a hat switch to pan view, cheap 8 button M$ joystick, the keyboard for every funtion, and I use default joystick settings in the game.

this full real sobbery is really beginning to get to me.

bolillo_loco
03-07-2005, 04:28 PM
oh yea QUACK!

PBNA-Boosher
03-07-2005, 04:32 PM
I fly full real now and absolutely love it. Before then I would feel very claustrophobic and sad b/c I couldn't see my beautiful plane's skin. But hey, now it's the best thing in the world! Just came off of an offline campaign mission in my Yak-1 in L'vov. I shot down 2 Fw-190's!

ImpStarDuece
03-07-2005, 04:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bolillo_loco:
if you do not like all the icons just turn them off when you host. I give 6km no color and at 300 meters you get color. the only id you get is at 2km you can see their number. no name tags for anybody, no plane discription, just range and at close range the number.

full real vs arcade??? Long before half the afj went to full real I played it when everybody logged off for the night. I could have sworn I was picked on at times for doing so when I spoke of playing at G/G or W/C. you match me up with another guy and give us both the same plane, full real is easier than arcade.

the only thing hard about full real is fighting off the boredom and fighting against people that have geeked out throttles, track ir, exotic joysticks, and tweaked game settings.

I use a hat switch to pan view, cheap 8 button M$ joystick, the keyboard for every funtion, and I use default joystick settings in the game.

this full real sobbery is really beginning to get to me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Funny, i have exactly the same set up as you, running off a laptop, and I find 'full switch' more enjoyable than the pit off servers.

I find after a few flights with cockpit off, my full switch gunnery goes to pot and I cant hit anything.

My favourite servers at the moment are a toss up between the "full real" WC and GG and the 'pit on, full icons, anything goes' madness of SARAHzoom ("Sprinkles flowers from the sky").

F19_Orheim
03-07-2005, 04:52 PM
I guess the only mistake is to call it "full real", seems that most of the times guys who are not into it triggers on that particular term. Maybe if we call it "full difficulty" instead because it will never get "real"

VMF-214_HaVoK
03-07-2005, 06:26 PM
Welcome to the enlightened side Red. We told you so http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Serious though a few years back I thought like you did about arcade settings. Samething right? I mean if you can kill in one you can kill in another...how many of us used to think that? Only to find out in the end we was being foolish and many like myself were just making any excuses we could to justify to ourselves and others why to fly arcade. Most nonpit flyers try fullreal and dont fair well so its off to make another excuse and back to the arcade servers. Dont get me wrong if that is what makes one happy and they truely enjoy themselves then by all means fly it. But if a person thinks that there is no difference in skill and tactics they are just fooling themselves.

Example: A couple of days ago I joined a arcade server for the heck of it. First one in a very very long time. It was a pretty popular one 334th I believe. And I got bored it was so easy. Im not braggin at all just stating a few facts. I flew in there for about an hour in the JUG. Had about 20 kills and died once. Even fighting at the deck is easy in the JUG with arrows and F6. Throttle control and scissor movements would cause many of the arcade flyers to flyby giving me a clean shot to fire my 6000 rounds per min at thier tail.

Bottom line. Fullreal is harder, requires more skill, tactical advantage means something, and you tend to get more by the pilot rather then the plane. Depending on your ac choice ofcoarse. IMHO

VMF-214_HaVoK
03-07-2005, 06:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bolillo_loco:
if you do not like all the icons just turn them off when you host. I give 6km no color and at 300 meters you get color. the only id you get is at 2km you can see their number. no name tags for anybody, no plane discription, just range and at close range the number.

full real vs arcade??? Long before half the afj went to full real I played it when everybody logged off for the night. I could have sworn I was picked on at times for doing so when I spoke of playing at G/G or W/C. you match me up with another guy and give us both the same plane, full real is easier than arcade.

the only thing hard about full real is fighting off the boredom and fighting against people that have geeked out throttles, track ir, exotic joysticks, and tweaked game settings.

I use a hat switch to pan view, cheap 8 button M$ joystick, the keyboard for every funtion, and I use default joystick settings in the game.

this full real sobbery is really beginning to get to me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dont have Track IR, I use a MS Precision2, Saitek keyboard, No reason you can not adjust settings. Thats a comfortability issue. If your comfortable with default keys then why you feel you are at a disadvantage. All the hightech stuff does not make you better. Its like the rich guy you see at a golf coarse. He has the best clubs money can buy but stinks and you have no problem whipping up on him with your 129$ Walmart specials. I use golf as an example only...not a huge fan of it.

But I use as what I stated above and I do just fine http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Not just me either. Many people are in the same boat as you and I and do very well.

BaldieJr
03-07-2005, 06:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
I guess the only mistake is to call it "full real", seems that most of the times guys who are not into it triggers on that particular term. Maybe if we call it "full difficulty" instead because it will never get "real" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

While we're at it we can rename the genre "Flight Emulation using binary math" and replace "noob" with "person of less experience".

RedDeth
03-07-2005, 07:00 PM
one thing i will add...

the tip top arcade ace pilots that transfer to fullreal always seem to become tip top fullreal pilots also. i believe skill in one is fully transferable to the other. as i have found the same from game to game aka cfs or janesww2fighters to F.B.

the top aces will always be top aces. and mediocre pit off pilots become mediocre pit on pilots.

its not the views or settings that make a virtual pilot good but their reflexes, intuition, and desire to be the very best.

bolillo whines a lot and hardly never flys fullreal but when he does hes better than 95% of pilots in F.R. too.

i know what bolillo is talking about. until you fly fullreal exclusively for a while it feels like you have blinders on in fullreal. and you feel limited. like its not very good views.

but once you reset your settings for faster pan view and maybe get mouse emulation like me on my throttle stick or a track ir like others and get used to flying in pit nonstop till you want to scream....

well then at that point the view slowly starts opening up and your situational awareness changes.... completely. then you feel like your flying in an open cockpit with plenty to see and you notice everything around you to get a complete 360 degreee world view as you fly. heck you even start noticing skins on other planes if you have skin download on. it just sort of snaps into place all of a sudden. its hard to explain but i know pit off guys dont understand this as i was one of them.

and you cant switch back and forth. you need to just fly pit on for a week sometimes less for others and BAM! it becomes easy to catch those bogeys trying to sneak up on you cuz your S.A. has become very keen.

unless your a mediocre pilot. and then your just doomed to mediocrity. but luckily if this is the case you wont know it because its just the way it is.

BaldieJr
03-07-2005, 07:08 PM
I'm doomed to mediocraty in flight sims and I don't even care!

RedNeckerson
03-07-2005, 07:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bolillo_loco:
I use a hat switch to pan view, cheap 8 button M$ joystick, the keyboard for every funtion, and I use default joystick settings in the game.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


HaHa, I have the same setup and I like full-real much better.

bolillo_loco
03-07-2005, 07:53 PM
I have said it a million times. I find full real :O easier than arcade. much easier, the only thing hard about full real for me is fighting off the boredum.

the hardest settings in my opinion are cockit on external views permitted. reason, your locked in your cockpit trying to shoot at the guy with limited views while he is sitting in his exteral view watching and waiting for your guns to light up so that he can roll and stick stir. you cannot bounce a guy because he has external views.

its the full real snobbery that has been getting to me. I am going to seek professional help for this matter.

1vs1 I find full real to be easier than any arcade setting. that is my final answer and I am sticking to it.

RedNeckerson
03-07-2005, 07:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bolillo_loco:
Iits the full real snobbery that has been getting to me. I am going to seek professional help for this matter.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


So, you're going to see a QUACK then? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

RedDeth
03-07-2005, 08:40 PM
stop it redneck your Quacking me up !!!

bolillo_loco
03-07-2005, 09:13 PM
quack

bolillo_loco
03-07-2005, 09:15 PM
p/s don't make me break out full real screen shots of me in a P-38 killing you in a Ki-84Ic red. I will do it!

Bearcat99
03-07-2005, 09:21 PM
No Icons and closed pit I like.... I also like externals..... I like to watch my plane when I fly.... I like doing the flyby after I hose an opponent.... IMO the externals enhance the overall enjoyability of the sim and since you can only fly in externals for so long.. I dont see it as a deterrent to realism.. I think what it adds to overall enjoyment more than makes up for whatever it may take away from realism.... especially after you get shot down or crash and there is a lot of action going on.

Bearcat99
03-07-2005, 09:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
I guess the only mistake is to call it "full real", seems that most of the times guys who are not into it triggers on that particular term. Maybe if we call it "full difficulty" instead because it will never get "real" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I prefer full immersion...... since none of this is anywhere near real... but the immersion factor of a FFB/HOTAS with TIR,Pedals and VAC and a closed pit with no icons,or hudlog is off the hook.

Badsight.
03-07-2005, 09:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
look funny now

it doesnt look realistic anymore like fullreal does now. odd . i used to be die hard pitoff with externals. now it just looks strange to me.

dont get me wrong i enjoy flying the airquake pitoff stuff still for relaxation but it sure aint anything real seeming like pit on locked externals.

jeez id never think id say this but pit on is more challenging and exciting. it gets you amped and on the alert. flying around in pit off feels like i have radar.and gods eye view rolled up in one. i always know when and where everyone is and am never surprised. i can tell you the second a guys gear lift off ground 50 miles away....


i feel like i just found out santa is a FRAUD !!!

can i go back to thinking fullreal is fake, cheesy and easier than arcade? can i have any more delusions why pitoff is really challenging? no i guess not. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>wow

is hard to get that point across into a competant WW prefering FB player tho

they like WW cause its more fast & furious

doesnt mean you need more skill tho , quite the opposite

RedDeth
03-07-2005, 10:06 PM
yea i think the wonder woman view is a bit extreme of term but its like this. pit off you can get in and rock right off the bat and its fast and addictive. still a great game like that.

but pit on takes time. its boring at first cuz u cant find enemies and fly around in maps for an hour without finding 1 enemy. THATS boring. i did it.

then i got on comms and started finding where the enemies fly and at what altitudes. on each map.each map is different and you need to learn the good areas in each map cuz u cant watch them take off from 60 miles away and track them by landmarks till you intercept when in fullreal.
but in fullreal there are objective areas that clue you in to where the enemy will be. also in fullreal you can fly jabo missions. fighter bomber missions in IL2s or P38s and they cant track you from 80 miles away and kill you every time. and after you drop payload you can escape. like in real life. its kind of cool. but i just escort above i dont fly those planes.

there is a whole lot more to fullreal than meets the eye and you gotta try it. you gotta give it time .
its like learning to drink red wine. you cant just take a sip and say BLEH thats horrible!... you gotta come back to it and try it again. roll it around in your palate. smell the ambiance. enjoy the aroma. begin to understand the intricacies of fullreal.

dont be fooled by the feeling of claustrophobia and blinders of the first couple days of fullreal.

remember.... anything worth having takes time and effort. it isnt given to you on a platter.

this is from a previous DIE HARD PIT OFF pilot who HATED fullreal.

RedDeth
03-07-2005, 10:09 PM
p.s..... i still like pit off http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Jumoschwanz
03-08-2005, 08:59 AM
It would take a lot of digging to find out who coined the term "Full Real". A bit ago I ran a post about how if everyone would have called the servers by the names the actual sim gives them, Easy, Normal, Full Difficulty, a lot of argumentive posts would have been eliminated from this forum, and a lot of the stigma attached to flying different settings and the division of the community would not ever have materialized.

Cockpit-off and views enabled it is easier of course to know where other planes are and what they are, but it is more difficult to attack covertly, get the bounce and evade pursuers.

Cockpit-on, views disabled it is easier to set up an attack covertly, get a bounce undetected and lose a pursuer, But it is a bit harder to know what else is going on in some situations.

Early on just by chance I ended up with a nice group of online pilots that flew with the pit on and saw some advantages. One of which is with the pit on you have a better sense of the exact attitude of the craft you are flying becuase you can see it. With the pit off I always lost track of what my plane was doing in a dogfight. Probably needed more practice flying with the pit off, but I had fun where I was so I never developed all the skills some others had on the pit-off servers.

As for the snobbery issue that is part of the division of the community and is no different than any other political argument with each side either not even being able to understand where the other side is coming from or condemning them for doing things their way. Prejudice. Not only that it makes it so no one wants to go and try the other sides servers out of either pride or fear of being picked on.
I remember going on a server that was cockpit-off a year ago, and someone made a comment to me about "what are you doing here Jumo I thought you were a full-real pilot...." And this made me feel kind of un-welcome. I liked the full-difficulty servers but until recently I was 56k and many times there were not servers I liked that I had a good ping for, and I was afraid to fly the normal settings servers for fear of being picked on! What a head-case huh?

All the settings in this sim can be utilized to help hone ones skills and to help look at what you are doing and to practice. It is nice to see ReDeth enjoy servers with all settings and be comfortable with it. Maybe this is the beginning of the breaking down of some stupid barriers for this community. S!

Jumoschwanz

Airmail109
03-08-2005, 11:26 AM
OMG i thought AFJ would be full-immersion! meh....oh well...you learn something new every day! Actually external servers tend to be low-down an dogfighty.......If these guys went on to warclouds they would get slaughtered by the likes of Fish! No no no......being a good pilot is not always about good reflexes.....only in a quake server......being good on full-immersions servers means you have to have good tactics and think ahead!

madsarmy
03-08-2005, 11:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
I'm doomed to mediocraty in flight sims and I don't even care! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just fly bombers Baldie that way you can always blame it on poor fighter supporthttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

RedDeth
03-08-2005, 12:01 PM
"OMG i thought AFJ would be full-immersion!If these guys went on to warclouds they would get slaughtered by the likes of Fish!"

AIRMAIL.... we fly in warclouds every night. we usually have about 6 pilots winging each other early evenings on allied side. i invite you to fly in warclouds. on axis side .

bolillo_loco
03-08-2005, 01:56 PM
yawns, well if you guys insist, guess its time to start playing w/c and winging with the JV44