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Orfson
02-12-2005, 01:19 AM
Hi everyone.
I put my hands on Forgotten Battles in these days - yes, I'm not really up to date http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif !
I was excited about the new aircrafts and the skins and the different nationalities, and tried to set up a fight against a couple of Finnish G50.
Doh! The symbol on the airframe was strange, very similar to the Greek air force symbol... Ok, no swastika... I'm quite new to this forum, but I can guess the swastika censorship raised al lot of discussion about historic accuracy and so on - me, I hate the symbol, but since this is a WWII simulator, I think the swastika should appear...
But this isn't my point.
After trying Finnish G50, I tried an italian one - I am from Italy after all.
DOH!
Lictorian fasces on the G50 wings?!
Well, the only explaination I can guess is that the lictorian fasces aren't as (in)famous as the swastika is, but nevertheless I was a bit astounded by this fact...
What do you think about that?
Ciao.

Orfson
02-12-2005, 01:19 AM
Hi everyone.
I put my hands on Forgotten Battles in these days - yes, I'm not really up to date http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif !
I was excited about the new aircrafts and the skins and the different nationalities, and tried to set up a fight against a couple of Finnish G50.
Doh! The symbol on the airframe was strange, very similar to the Greek air force symbol... Ok, no swastika... I'm quite new to this forum, but I can guess the swastika censorship raised al lot of discussion about historic accuracy and so on - me, I hate the symbol, but since this is a WWII simulator, I think the swastika should appear...
But this isn't my point.
After trying Finnish G50, I tried an italian one - I am from Italy after all.
DOH!
Lictorian fasces on the G50 wings?!
Well, the only explaination I can guess is that the lictorian fasces aren't as (in)famous as the swastika is, but nevertheless I was a bit astounded by this fact...
What do you think about that?
Ciao.

Udidtoo
02-12-2005, 01:31 AM
The Nazi swastika is illegal in some countries and offensive in many more. Easily downloaded but I'm to tired to recall where at the moment. The Finnish marking isn't even the same thing but don't know as I've ever read Olegs reasoning. I've always assumed it was left out to save the headache of people who would throw a hissy fit over a perception rather than pick up a history book.

Von_Zero
02-12-2005, 02:02 AM
The Finnish blue zwastica or better said the "Von Rosen cross" is in fact the simbol of the finish af since they received a Thulin Parasol from the count Von Rosen. This was happening in 1918, and obviously had nothing to do with the nazi.
Beside that the swastika was used by some antique cultures also, representing the sun, for example. Also if my memory serves me right it was also the simbol of a US National Guard regiment, before the war. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
I agree with Uditoo on this one, some times ppl, don't take thhe time to check history, but they start flaming others.
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Friendly_flyer
02-12-2005, 05:08 AM
The von Rosen cross is modelled. In Germany, it would ensure the game a ban. Notice that the swastika is lacking from that tail of German planes too. As you have already guessed, it will not display in the game "out of the box" for legal reasons. There are no such legal strings attached to the Lictorian fasces, as far as I know.

There are a few "semi-official" programs that will make the von Rosen cross and swastika display properly. One off them is called "Swastika enabler". You can download it from here: http://www.angelfire.com/nb/propsplace/Downlds.

Dolemite-
02-12-2005, 12:31 PM
Theres a program that enables swastikas and finnish roses, its called IL-2Stab and you can find a link for it in the "Essentials" sticky at the top of the page.

Orfson
02-12-2005, 01:38 PM
This is not the point, my friends.
I say thanks for the info, and maybe I'll try to customize FB in order to achieve a better historical accuracy, but I'm simply curious about what do you think.
I understand 1C and Ubi, omitting swastikas = avoid problems (like the silly "green blood" in Carmageddon... anyone remembers?). I also understand people creating historical skins with swastikas back on their place.
Simply, I think I could - erll, I can! - fly a Bf ora FW - or a G50 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif - carrying insegna I hate in real life because, well, it's a game!
So, what do you think?

Von_Zero
02-12-2005, 03:03 PM
I think it should be in http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Opiate364
02-12-2005, 05:22 PM
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