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Dominicrigg
08-15-2005, 06:56 AM
Just want to say well done to all the allies and anyone who fights in the modern armed forces today. Missing my Grandad who served in north africa, anzio beach landings and beyond. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Also a salute to the brave Axis soldiers (and uboatsmen whos bravery its hard to dispute.


Philip leads VJ Day tributes


Tributes marking the 60th anniversary of VJ Day will honour the men and women who served Britain during the Second World War.

The Duke of Edinburgh will lay a wreath at the Malta Siege Memorial in central London 60 years to the day after fighting stopped in the Far East.

Later in the day the Duke, Patron of the Burma Star Association, will attend a reunion, at the Imperial War Museum in the Capital, of 14th Army veterans who fought in Burma and former Far East prisoners of war.

The senior royal, who served with the British Pacific Fleet and witnessed the final surrender of the Japanese in 1945, will be guest of honour at the event.

Other guests at the reception will include, Lord Slim, president of the Burma Star Association and son of Lieutenant General (later Field Marshal Viscount) Slim, popularly known as "Uncle Bill", who commanded the 14th Army; Countess Mountbatten of Burma, daughter of Admiral Lord Louis Mountbatten, who was Supreme Allied Commander, South East Asia Command; author George MacDonald Fraser, who created the celebrated Flashman novels, wrote the screenplay for the Bond movie Octopussy and served with The Border Regiment and The Gordon Highlanders; and science fiction writer Brian Aldiss, who served with The Royal Signals.

Dame Vera Lynn, who braved the dangers and discomforts of the jungle to entertain the troops in Burma, and actress Joanna Lumley, whose late father served with the legendary Chindits - an elite British guerrilla unit that fought in Burma - will also attend.

Other events marking the anniversary include a service of remembrance at RAF Kinloss, Moray, Scotland.

In Southampton the city's mayor Edwina Cooke will sound the whistle of Cunard's flagship Queen Mary 2, 60 years to the day it was blown to let the people of Southampton know the war was finally over.

On Sunday, thousands of visitors gathered in the grounds of Blenheim Palace for the Festival of Flight, which not only featured vintage aircraft but music, dance, period theatre and other sights and sounds from the 1940s.

Lord Blandford, one of the festival organisers, said the event possessed "so many dimensions from this time of great turmoil in our history and it's fitting that it takes place at the birthplace of Winston Churchill".

DerKomet
08-15-2005, 09:11 AM
Talking about the end of WWII makes me think about what W. Churchill said about Hitler... "We killed the wrong pig", what he meant was that Staline would be the right "pig" to kill...
Definatly communism was the loose end in inhumanity that even destroyed itself after fifty years, too bad the americans didn't nuke the bastards.

Messervy
08-15-2005, 09:39 AM
too bad the americans didn't nuke the bastards.

Maybe...but then again you might not be here, had your little wish came true. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

paulhager
08-19-2005, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by DerKomet:
Talking about the end of WWII makes me think about what W. Churchill said about Hitler... "We killed the wrong pig", what he meant was that Staline would be the right "pig" to kill...
Definatly communism was the loose end in inhumanity that even destroyed itself after fifty years, too bad the americans didn't nuke the bastards.

Apropos of your "nuke the bastards" statement, I proffer links to the following blog entries of mine. The first is Pat Buchanan: Was WW II worth it? (http://paulhager.org/wordpress/index.php?p=30), which is a response to an article by Mr. Buchanan that asked this question. The second is Preemptive war against Iran (http://paulhager.org/wordpress/index.php?p=8) in which I discuss a rationale for preemption.

Obviously, for the U.S. to force the Soviets to comply with the requirements of Yalta would have required a threat of military action. The same would have been true had the U.S. told the Soviets they wouldn't be allowed to have nukes. While I've little doubt that the Soviets would have either backed down or been quickly defeated, threatening war was never a politically viable option for the U.S. from 1946-1949.

Dominicrigg
08-19-2005, 10:48 AM
Interesting blog!

I cant agree with your ideas that the Soviets would "Back down or been quickly defeated". They were to all intents the best soldiers on mainland Europe. Driven, well equipped and well trained, compared to the quality of troops America faced in the race across France Russians faced troops of 5 times the quality, and ran through them at 5 times the speed. Only British and Canadian forces could be said to have faced similar quality troops as being experienced they had to fight through the the north of France and attacks here soon stalled.

All in all I would not like to have seen the west attack Russia, and i think now with hindsight it was the right decision to appease. Yes it was a ruthless regime but im sure the people would prefer that to have been nuked ect. And now they have freedom within a couple of generations.

For iran i doubt the US will dare to attack now, our society is so decedant our own media wouldnt allow another war. Infact i would say the West fear the repercusions of war so much the Iranians and others understand this. Thats why post Iraq they have decided to restart their nuke program.

Scary stuff!

Dominicrigg
08-19-2005, 10:49 AM
Ohh besides im sure as far as i knew America only had 2 nukes, they used them both on Japan. What time frame to make more?

muteOz
08-20-2005, 12:01 AM
ummm it really VP day, victory in the Pacific, check ur history books. and no there is not two days (VP and VJ).

Messervy
08-20-2005, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by paulhager:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DerKomet:
Talking about the end of WWII makes me think about what W. Churchill said about Hitler... "We killed the wrong pig", what he meant was that Staline would be the right "pig" to kill...
Definatly communism was the loose end in inhumanity that even destroyed itself after fifty years, too bad the americans didn't nuke the bastards.

Apropos of your "nuke the bastards" statement, I proffer links to the following blog entries of mine. The first is Pat Buchanan: Was WW II worth it? (http://paulhager.org/wordpress/index.php?p=30), which is a response to an article by Mr. Buchanan that asked this question. The second is Preemptive war against Iran (http://paulhager.org/wordpress/index.php?p=8) in which I discuss a rationale for preemption.

Obviously, for the U.S. to force the Soviets to comply with the requirements of Yalta would have required a threat of military action. The same would have been true had the U.S. told the Soviets they wouldn't be allowed to have nukes. While I've little doubt that the Soviets would have either backed down or been quickly defeated, threatening war was never a politically viable option for the U.S. from 1946-1949. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

With all due respect I think that Britain lost all the power fighting the Nazis and Winston was therefore counting on the US to stop the Russians, but US was not having a go since they allready had their focus on "new world order" - a dictature by Democracy.
I personaly don`t care about Iran. I definately don`t like their religious drive but so far they are staying at home. If you choose to embark upon a new crusade there is one thing you can count on:
You will never run out of enemies.
Just my two cents - I hope it doesn`t start a flame war

Celeon999
08-20-2005, 04:16 AM
I just saw a really funny documentary about the a-bomb in modern times a few weeks ago.

Why funny ?

There was a CIA men talking about a list they made in which all countries are mentioned that are a nuclear thread to the usa by now or maybe could be in the future.

So now guess who is in the top ten ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Off course Iran and iraq were mentioned ( the documentary was made before the iraq war) among some other countries like noth korea etc.

But then suddenly he mentioned Germany and Japan on the list. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

No bull. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

He said that Germany and Japan arent hostile towards the USA but they are on the list because they have the industrial and scientific potential to build nukes if they would want to.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

He even gave an example : http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"If germany would want to produce them it could reach an number of nuclear weapons equal to the united states or russia in only 3 months of work. "

"The resources , technology , know how and industrial capability to produce nuclear weapons is equal to ours. "

And that was his justification why both countrys are on the list. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I love this CIA guys. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif They are like little children. Really cute. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Dominicrigg
08-20-2005, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by muteOz:
ummm it really VP day, victory in the Pacific, check ur history books. and no there is not two days (VP and VJ).

Well here in england its called VJ day. We all know it was fought in asia also. But they are not going to call it "victory in the eastern hemisphere day".

Like VE day, was fought in africa also, but they dont call it "victory in Europe, the atlantic and bits of africa day" do they now?

Messervy, get your flame pants on! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Messervy
08-20-2005, 11:52 AM
Messervy, get your flame pants on!

I am fully geared up. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

HeibgesU999
08-23-2005, 11:48 AM
The Moscow Conference, Roosevelt and Churchill promised Stalin he could do what he wanted to the East Germans and the collaborating buddies in Eastern Europe. And considering Eisenhauer starved over 1 million Germans to death, its very hard for us to get on a moral high horse.

This is why Stalin did not intervene in Greece, because at the same Moscow Conference, Greece and Southern Europe were denoted at British sphere of influence. In this regard Stalin was a man of his word. But he expected that Churchill and Roosevelt would keep their word too.

But I agree with Churchill, only that England was as big a pig as Stalin. After Hitler, we should have dealth with the Soviets, the Brits, and the French.

Then we could have avoided doing the British and French's dirtywork for the last 50 years.

paulhager
08-23-2005, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by Dominicrigg:
Ohh besides im sure as far as i knew America only had 2 nukes, they used them both on Japan. What time frame to make more?

Actually, the U.S. had another nuke ready to go which Truman put on hold. More nukes were in the pipeline. There is a good book about the history of the Manhattan Project (and nuclear phsyics) titled THE MAKING OF THE ATOMIC BOMB by Richard Rhodes. Highly recommended.

Messervy
08-23-2005, 03:28 PM
Then we could have avoided doing the British and French's dirtywork for the last 50 years.

Well you are doing it now - not for somebody else - for your own (world) sake. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
P.S. I sencerely hope you feel better now.

DerKomet
08-24-2005, 01:03 PM
I love this CIA guys. They are like little children. Really cute.

Actually they are doing their homework, plain and simple, keep on track who has what and if they can use it and when.

About the soviets yet:
I feel sorry for the poor souls that stayed on East Germany...
Kids starving to death... man and women being shot for trying to climb the wall... i think many of them thought many times "come and save us Hitler!"... how ironic eh?

Celeon999
08-24-2005, 01:39 PM
Actually they are doing their homework, plain and simple, keep on track who has what and if they can use it and when.

Thats the word that discribes them best.

Simple. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

They are really simple structured men and wimen.

An good example was this "Weapons of mass destruction in iraq" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

You know, those invisible ones that nobody could find even after years of searching. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I bet they didnt made their homeworks back at school too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif


As for the soviets :

I never heard of anyone starving here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

We may not had much but one thing we had : good food! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Oh i miss so much of the food from the GDR. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

There were many things that tasted much better than the stuff they produce now.

For example : spaghetti sauce , or the chocolade was great also.

Oh i dont miss the wall but i miss the food. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DerKomet
08-24-2005, 02:04 PM
Oh i guess the americans just sent out candy for the kids with the dakotas just to be kind http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
And if it was all that good, then i guess the wall would be pretty pointless huh? unless you want to keep western german people of invading the east, seeking that wonderful food http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I guess the whole point of bringing down the wall was because there wasn't enough money to buy a bulldozzer, so you see all those people with hammers and stuff.

But if you liked it so much, you still have Cuba or NK http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Celeon999
08-25-2005, 02:00 AM
Oh i guess the americans just sent out candy for the kids with the dakotas just to be kind

The russian chocolade tasted much better http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

And its still very good today. But all the candys had something in common : they were all not good for the teeths http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


unless you want to keep western german people of invading the east, seeking that wonderful food


If they had knowledge of this fact , some of them would had defected for sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif


For NK : I dont think they have any food at all over there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

For Cuba : Hmmmm wait..... let me think about it... the beautiful cuban girls .... the nice weather... the cigars ... the schnapps ....

VIVA EL CUBA ! VIVA EL PRESIDENTE !

VIVA EL SOCIALISMO !

Fidel im coming ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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DerKomet
08-25-2005, 10:33 AM
Die commie die... who's with me? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif