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TwentyGlyphs
02-04-2011, 11:36 PM
After looking at some of the symbols and details of AC2 and ACB lately, I have a theory about the Pieces of Eden. This is rather long, but I'll try to hit the important parts first and fill in details at the end. Major spoilers follow.

My theory is that the Pieces of Eden all come from the Tree of Life that the First Civilization built. This tree was in Eden, and was a machine created to protect the world from another solar catastrophe. When Eve took the Apple from it, she was inadvertently breaking this tool. A serpent likely tempted her in the first place, and could have been one of TWCB who wanted power for themselves. Desmond's journey is to somehow right this situation and activate the Tree in time to stop the catastrophe.

Here's why I think this. I know some of you have been wondering what the drawing on the floor of Juno's temple was, and it finally occurred to me after staring at it and trying to see the shape. Here's the artwork:

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/3765/treewf.jpg

Seeing this wasn't enough to let me figure out the image, but then I started looking through the Scrolls of Brutus that you find in the secret locations in ACB. The scrolls are similar to Altair's Codex, and tell of Brutus somehow being led to Juno's temple and eventually figuring out the door's password and getting inside. It's unclear if he touches an Apple of Eden or the pedestal that Desmond uses to activate the room seen in the picture above. Either way, he sees a vision and creates a drawing just like one of Altair's Codex sketches. Here they are, Altair's first and Brutus' second:

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/2208/zwcodex10.png

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/122/junotemple.jpg

It finally occurred to me that in Altair's sketch, he's showing that an Apple of Eden and another Piece will combine to open the Vault that's under the Sistine Chapel. Notice the man in the middle who appears to be preaching, and the other religious figures around him listening. This is what was happening when Ezio infiltrated the chapel. The Arabic above the apple and cube translates to "Piece of Eden" above both of them, showing that you need 2 to access the Vault. I'm not sure what the image of the apple and cube combined represents. It may just reference the joining of the 2, or could be showing that there's something more powerful about the Apple after this event (maybe because Minerva touched it).

Now Brutus' drawing is clearly of Juno's temple, with the ledges that Desmond climbs around on. Now we see 2 cubes both looking like the one cube from Altair's drawing. In the middle you see the same artwork as on the floor of Juno's temple. Looking at this made me finally realize that it's a tree. The 3 vertical columns are the branches, the stylized lines at the bottom are the roots, and you can see the outline of the leaves. The spiral-like symbol in the middle may represent a serpent.

I think Brutus' sketch may be showing that 2 Pieces of Eden will unlock the Tree of Life. In Altair's sketch, the left side of the picture has some small symbols in between the radiating lines. In Brutus' sketch, the left side is an exact match, but now the right side has the same little symbols as well. Whereas Ezio needed at least partial First Civilization DNA to open the Vault, Brutus' sketch may be saying that pure First Civilization DNA will unlock the Tree. This may be why Eve's DNA is the key. Since there are no more TWCB left to activate the Tree, Eve and Desmond's DNA (or a possible son) may activate it.

In "The Fourth Day" Truth puzzle in AC2, Subject 16 says "The pieces were once part of a whole." I think this is more evidence that the Pieces of Eden came from one whole, the Tree, and were meant to stop the disaster, which is what this puzzle is all about. This puzzle also has a Hopi prophecy saying "Near the day of purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky." I think this may be referring to some sort of energy field/force field that the Tree will emit to block the solar flare. Look at these lines from the ceiling of Juno's temple. Minerva's Vault had the same kind of lines. They look like cobwebs to me. They could be featured on the ceilings of these rooms as reference to these patterns one day being in the sky.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2207/cobwebs.jpg

More evidence for the Tree of Life comes from other AC2 Truth puzzles that show paintings of myths. For example:

"In The Beginning" Puzzle:

<LI> The Fall: Eve is tempted to steal fruit from a tree by a serpent in the Garden of Eden.
<LI> Hercules in the Garden of the Hesperides: This garden was Hera's (Juno) orchard that had a tree with golden apples on it guarded by a dragon/serpent.
<LI> Idun and the Apples: Idun tended golden apples that kept the Norse gods perpetually young. Norse mythology has a world tree named Yggdrasil that has a dragon/serpent gnawing at its roots.

"Keep On Seeking, And You Will Find It" Puzzle:

<LI> "First plucked from a Tree guarded by a snake, its powers perform miracles." Jason took the Golden Fleece from a tree guarded by a serpent. I think this means the Shroud of Eden came from a tree as well as the Apples.

And for the final kicker, back in AC1 Subject 16's bedroom wall writing said: "Within Emperor Jiajing's sin and Quetzalcoatl's hunger lies the answer." Quetzalcoatl, which means feathered serpent, was the patron god of Aztec priesthood, learning and knowledge. He could have possibly hungered for power and control and set in motion the Fall of Man and created the Templars. Could he be the Father of Understanding? At the very least he seems to represent the serpent from many of these myths.

Here are some links with information about the myths that may provide more context and/or clues. Incidentally, many of the apple myths refer to apples that grant immortality or at least long-lasting youth. I really think the Assassin's Creed apples do have a limited life-extending ability. Also mentioned in several of these myths is Venus, who I now believe is the 3rd member of TWCB seen in The Fall #2 and the one we will meet next. One possible clue: when she was formed from the foam of the sea, she came to shore in a shell on the island of Cyprus. Sound familiar?

http://translate.google.com/?v...ar|piece%20of%20eden (http://translate.google.com/?vi=c&hl=en#en%7Car%7Cpiece%20of%20eden)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_apple
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_life
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...en_of_the_Hesperides (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesperides#The_Garden_of_the_Hesperides)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzalcoatl

eddymunster1
02-05-2011, 01:44 AM
Great post, some really interesting stuff.

XxSYD3WINDERxX
02-05-2011, 04:11 AM
If this was a piece of school work and I was the teacher, well... I'd give you a degree straight away!

Krayus Korianis
02-05-2011, 05:47 AM
Also in the last picture you posted, you can't mistake a cross up there...

The lines to me look like electronic board grids.

However, good analysis of the methodology and mythology that permeates the Assassin's Creed series fully.

rob.davies2014
02-05-2011, 06:40 AM
Well done, you've obviously put a lot of work into this theory and I it could very well hold true. I totally agree that the image on Juno's Temple's floor is like a tree. Your reference to Subject 16's puzzles (cobwebs=shield, once part of a whole) I think are probably spot on!
It's a good explanation and I look forward to see how it compares to the Canon. (if there are any differences at all!)

rileypoole1234
02-05-2011, 07:07 AM
The first picture is showing the priest using the Apple to control the peoples minds. I thought the second one was almost like a map. But good theories.

Evan52395
02-05-2011, 08:37 AM
Great post. Also, if you haven't yet noticed, when you use Eagle vision as Desmond at that point, certain lines of the tree symbol on the floor become red and others disappear creating a new image. I took pictures with my phone to eventually upload to show because I haven't seen anyone post it up yet.

EDIT:http://i52.tinypic.com/may0ap.jpg

AMuppetMatt
02-05-2011, 11:15 AM
Congratulations on this theory, the Devs are working as we speak on a new storyline now that you figured it out http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Those lines lit up in red kind of look like a pathway. Is that the route you take in Juno's temple to get to the apple in the center? If so does that sign represent a serpent and therefore acting as a warning that the Apple is temptation and shouldn't be touched. Speaking aloud here, just a thought.

Well done on the theory again btw... game is now ruined but who cares http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

samward
02-05-2011, 11:20 AM
wow...lot to take in, very interesting. Really like the bit about the tree of life...though not wholly convinced about the tempted by the snake thing....Just confused about one bit...If the pieces of Eden did come from the Tree of Life then why do you see the humans crafting other pieces of Eden in the Adam and Eve truth video? Maybe the original apple, Ezio's apple came from the tree and the other pieces were fashioned using the original piece as the prototype?

TwentyGlyphs
02-05-2011, 12:27 PM
Thank you so much for posting that picture of the tree in eagle vision, Evan52395. AMuppetMatt, I think you're right about the red lines being the general path you take around the room. It also appears to have the 3 poles that you swing from to activate the platforms, and they're even on the side of the correct poles to swing from (left, right, left). If so, this "temple" may in fact be the tree itself, on its side! You do walk through a narrow hallway to get to the central chamber that could be the trunk. Juno does say "You will come here. You will activate it." What was activated? Maybe the apple, but maybe something else.

Also remember Shaun's joke in the chamber? "Or you might cause this room to turn into an alien spaceship and fly away. Think about it!" What if that was foreshadowing?

I'm not sure what the humans seen in the Truth video were building. They could have been working on the remainder of the tree. Perhaps it wasn't finished yet?

Even if any of this turns out to be true, there are still so many layers of mystery to the story that the whole ending isn't ruined. We still don't know the details of what happened in Eden, or how you're supposed to find Eve.

This is an awesome discussion; thanks for all of your feedback.

germanosz
02-05-2011, 12:51 PM
Woah.
Great post -bookmarking this for any future updates I'm looking forward !

L0rdeKing
02-05-2011, 01:23 PM
an interesting theory I feel it's kinda close to where this story going

AMuppetMatt
02-06-2011, 12:06 PM
Cory, you're (and by extension I) am right. They are the poles you swing on. That HAS to be a diagram of the room. And if that's also a representation of the tree of life... huge ramifications http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I think we (you) might have got it, I think this might be it... as in IT.

SAVMATIC
02-06-2011, 01:12 PM
Still a lot of questions to be answered, chill out.

I do wonder what is the significance of the snake. If the game has indeed said Eve was "tempted" by the serpent, im not sure where they are going with that. If the serpent ends up being a representation of Kundalini as many suppose then that makes sense that it was a foreshadowing of human evolution and path back to TWCB...and of course someone like Ezio has a fully awakened kundalini so it would make sense that it ties into the assassins and their "6th sense"

TwentyGlyphs
02-06-2011, 01:42 PM
The game has never mentioned a serpent outright, only hinted at it through Subject 16's clues. But so many of the myths he references were of trees that had golden apples or special fruit, and that had serpents guarding them or somehow associated with them. Twice they show the same painting of the fall of man with Adam, Eve and the serpent (AC2 puzzle 1 and ACB cluster 10). The mention of Quetzalcoatl, the Aztec feathered serpent god, is just one more hint. I'm not sure what role it plays if it does at all, but the references are there.

This story is still so much bigger than just the mechanism that will save the world. Notice that everyone on the modern Assassins' side (supposedly, at least) seems to know more than what they will tell Desmond. Even Juno said he would know only when it was too late. There must be some huge risk to him knowing too much, which is interesting.

Looking at the eagle vision red lines on the tree again, it looks like the last pole position is actually different than what you do in the chamber. It's on our left, but would be on the right as you make your way around the room. It still looks a lot like the path you take around the chamber, but I don't know what it's actually saying. That spiral type symbol is very similar to the symbol for a cyclone storm, but I can't imagine there's any connection with that.

AMuppetMatt
02-07-2011, 11:20 AM
Nah Cory, that pole is in the right place. It goes right left right. Think about it as if you're going round the room and that perspective, not just the perspective of the picture http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

xcamthemandudex
02-07-2011, 06:27 PM
The spiral symbol reminds me of a spiral galaxy.

As for the OP, wow... You just blew my mind with that. Wonder why no one has thought of this before.

Edit:

The six sense: it was referred to as "knowledge" and is theorized as Eagle Vision. Perhaps only those with the sixth sense can find out either the path to the tree or the way to activate the tree.

This could explain the Red Trail (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/3271027009/p/1), and why it looks like DNA.

zerocooll21
08-09-2011, 10:46 AM
wow man thats pretty good!

I think the top of the first one was just trying to link the POE to the shape of a apple.
Apple -> Apple Tech <- Tech

Looks like the followers have on pendants that look like the apple symbol.

From that brutus sketch it looks like the view of the tree is a cut view from the surroundings. I bet the tree comes out from underneath. Also the apple symbol looks to be mirror of each other.

ThaWhistle
08-09-2011, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by Evan52395:
Great post. Also, if you haven't yet noticed, when you use Eagle vision as Desmond at that point, certain lines of the tree symbol on the floor become red and others disappear creating a new image. I took pictures with my phone to eventually upload to show because I haven't seen anyone post it up yet.

EDIT:http://i52.tinypic.com/may0ap.jpg

looks like a question mark...

kriegerdesgottes
08-09-2011, 01:15 PM
wow well done, very interesting stuff.

O6EvolutionIXMR
08-09-2011, 06:59 PM
Bravo! Great post. Everything you said makes sense.

zerocooll21
08-09-2011, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by O6EvolutionIXMR:
Bravo! Great post. Everything you said makes sense.

haha another Evo guy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

odovoro
08-10-2011, 12:21 AM
interesting i wonder if eventually we will have to fight the serpent or something ?

Shababa2011
08-10-2011, 12:36 AM
"the pieces was once part of a whole"
got me wondering.. if we must gather all the pieces of eden, to assemble the tree?
and if all the pieces of eden were a part of the tree, and we must gather all of them together to assemble it, and then needing both adam and eve (desmond and eve-girl) to activate it..

that raises another question tho, what are we gonna do about the staff? as that was locked beneath the vatican, and it is probably impossible to get it back?

Mikatsuki95
08-10-2011, 01:22 AM
The staff was destroyed by Nikola Tesla. Only a shard of it survived. Wiki it for more details.

That thing being a tree is a good guess but I have my doubts. Those markings like the ones you find on the apple itself definitely depict something. We saw them in the vault in the vatican and the one by Juno's temple.

Something I want to point out thought. In AC2 when Ezio speaks to Minerva, she talks about her kind being gone. "The others too" she said, then points to some small structures behind Ezio with those peculiar markings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djmu8bMbmsg
Its at around 1:30

What's my point? The markings on those structures the camera pointed to, may have well have been depicting the "gods" Minerva was mentioning.

Now if this is true and those markings did depict the "gods" then this means we can't determine their meaning by mere appearance. We have to know what they are meant to represent.

Example:Say you saw the word "house" on a wall. You couldn't determine the word's meaning by the physical appearance of its letters. The word itself isn't a picture of a house right? Just a word meaning "house".

Now assuming what I said is true about those structures depicting "gods" in the video I linked, then we can conclude the markings aren't pictures, as they clearly did not literally show us how the gods looked. So if they aren't pictures, then they must be some kind of alphabet. But to be fair to the op, they may be some kind of advanced form of hieroglyphics and not just purely letters.

Now again, this all rests on whether those structures truly did depict "gods" as I said earlier. And that they aren't pictures but letters or some form of hieroglyphics.

I can't prove any of this is right mind you, but its a possibility worth mentioning.

Tzeentch_859
08-10-2011, 03:43 AM
Great theory, the many references to a Tree of life seem to fit well, and great pick up on the layout in the Colosseum vault. I initially thought it was just to guide attentive players much like the red trail in Monterrigioni, but we do know that Ubi has a reason for everything they do in the AC franchise.

-Spoilers if you don't or have not played Project Legacy Entirely-
On topic however, what if Eve did not 'steal' the POE but rather one of TWCB gave it to her, and then she showed it to Adam. In the new (still not released in Project Legacy officially) DDS memories Erudito hacks into, there is a memory from one Elizabeth Jane Weston who also appeared in the set before. In this memory she goes to Shakespeare's play "A mid-summer nights dream." At the end she theorizes if the Faeries were actual gods in the real world and compares them to equivalent Greek gods. Puck is compared to Prometheus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus
Now Prometheus was extremely intelligent and would challenge the authority of Zeus (Jupiter). Prometheus gave fire to mortals and was punished by Zeus. In the AC universe, fire is equivalently knowledge or the sixth sense as in the hermetic orders beliefs and it is also (as in knowledge) one of the powers of the POE's. So it is possible that Prometheus (the snake (?)) gave an apple to Eve which then sparked the War.

The only thing I can not find is if there is a roman equivalent of Prometheus as we all know that TWCB are based off of Roman Mythology in the AC Universe. Side note: Prometheus' punishment for giving fire to mortals was that everday his liver would be eaten by a giant Eagle (yes eagle, Jupiter's favourite animal) and then would regenerate ready for the next day. Interestingly as well, one of the twelve trials of Hercules was to save Prometheus.
-End of spoilers-

Thanks for reading and lets keep up the great work.

Altair661
08-11-2011, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by Shababa2011:
"the pieces was once part of a whole"
got me wondering.. if we must gather all the pieces of eden, to assemble the tree?
and if all the pieces of eden were a part of the tree, and we must gather all of them together to assemble it, and then needing both adam and eve (desmond and eve-girl) to activate it..

Alright..i've been reading up on this. Great theory by the way 'coryplayspiano'. Makes complete sense (non-sarcastic). However about the quote above and if the theory of needing all the POE's to create the tree..
1. Why do the templars care for the POE's then..to destroy them? They already have their sattelite.
2. What about the Denver accident? I havent played my AC1 in a while, but the denver accident was a POE that got destroyed, or one that was created.
3. Tunguska Attack, if the assassin's want the POE's why did they blow it up in Tunguska?

Again, im not trying to prove anyone wrong, you have a very great and probably correct theory. But the only problem is some POE's have been destroyed, and if I remember right, the codex map showed temples on portions of land that arent exsitent anymore.

Also, do you have any theories on the Da Vinci Dissapearance? The cooridinates lead to a crater in "Turin, Ny" could this be the "Shroud of Turin" that supposedly give immortality or something? POE?

Alright this is getting long! If you could try to correct me on anything I have wrong or make some sense, it'd be nice

TachyonicRage
08-23-2011, 05:50 AM
Originally posted by Altair661:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Shababa2011:
"the pieces was once part of a whole"
got me wondering.. if we must gather all the pieces of eden, to assemble the tree?
and if all the pieces of eden were a part of the tree, and we must gather all of them together to assemble it, and then needing both adam and eve (desmond and eve-girl) to activate it..

Alright..i've been reading up on this. Great theory by the way 'coryplayspiano'. Makes complete sense (non-sarcastic). However about the quote above and if the theory of needing all the POE's to create the tree..
1. Why do the templars care for the POE's then..to destroy them? They already have their sattelite.
2. What about the Denver accident? I havent played my AC1 in a while, but the denver accident was a POE that got destroyed, or one that was created.
3. Tunguska Attack, if the assassin's want the POE's why did they blow it up in Tunguska?

Again, im not trying to prove anyone wrong, you have a very great and probably correct theory. But the only problem is some POE's have been destroyed, and if I remember right, the codex map showed temples on portions of land that arent exsitent anymore.

Also, do you have any theories on the Da Vinci Dissapearance? The cooridinates lead to a crater in "Turin, Ny" could this be the "Shroud of Turin" that supposedly give immortality or something? POE?

Alright this is getting long! If you could try to correct me on anything I have wrong or make some sense, it'd be nice </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Assasins and Templars dont exactly know what to do with the pieces of eden. Templars dont know that the "event" and the Assasins do but dont know what to do about it. The only people who know about this are: Lucy (particialy), Desmond, Sixteen and the TWCB.

Really, the TWCB and Sixteen are trying to tell Desmond what to do.

To OP: Bloody Beautiful and i might stand by this theory 95%
Awesome

If this theory is true then i dont believe the desmond or the assasins need to collect all of the pieces in order to assemble the tree but as the theory out lined maybe just 2 special apples and the pure DNA of the TWCB "The Sun, Your Sun"

if i rephrase that

The Sun is the end but Your Son is the beginning of a new and the secret is eve's dna

I think that is what Sixteen was trying to say but he didnt have enough time.

luckyto
08-23-2011, 07:55 AM
There are a lot of crazy crackpot ideas floating around the internet. This is NOT one of them.

Nice work. Very nice work.

jonny_1996
11-21-2011, 02:02 PM
coryplayspiano, i think you've got it spot on. also desmonds part in the game is set in 2012 which is when the mayan gods predicted the world to end. i think that when TWCB got misinterpreted as modern and historical gods they where also seen as the Mayans ones as well.
Alta´r mentioned in the Codex that his Piece of Eden not only possessed a catalog of past events, but also future events, implying that the Pieces contain predictions made by Those Who Came Before therefor i think that TWCB are trying to get desmond and the team to turn on the tree before the next solar flare.
I think eve stole the apple to free the humans not knowing that it would turn off the tree however i dont know about finging eve through her DNA unless Adam and eve where the hybrids subject 16 talks about, assassins and gods, there for the DNA that they talk about would be Desmonds?

Saqaliba
11-21-2011, 04:49 PM
Nice one!


First plucked from a Tree guarded by a snake, its powers perform miracles." Jason took the Golden Fleece from a tree guarded by a serpent. I think this means the Shroud of Eden came from a tree as well as the Apples.


Also, remember when Adam and Eve are running from Eden in 'The Truth' clip, they are wearing some see-through looking clothes that have the same spider-wire design on it as the temples and the P.O.E. - I think this refers to both the biblical idea of the nudity in the Garden and that these clothes are the shroud itself/fleece which kept them from harm. Adam and Eve were incorruptible in the original state. It would be cool if Desmond's armour upgrades involve this shroud itself, since wearing armour in the 21st century has no realistic aesthetic appeal, but it could work as a body skin under his clothes.

Also, remember that Cain and Abel play the first role in the schism of humanity. Cain is the Father of the Templars whilst Abel's brother, Seth is the first of the Assassin's. Cain establishes the first city, using the P.0.E. he stole from Abel.

The symbol that looks like a serpent kinda resembles interlocking 6's - 666 in three dimensions. The serpent must have been one of TWCB that made humans realise that they were being used as slaves. In which case, the leader of TWCB was Elohim (God himself according to the scripture)

The designs of the Temple at the end of Brotherhood resemble a real ancient temple in Turkey called Gobelki Tepe. It is believed to have been the original site of Eden near Anatolia.

I studied Lurianic Kabbalah for 5 years, and also study Orthodox Christian theology, so there is much cool mythos going down here. One cool idea in Theology is that the Tree of Good and Evil and the Tree of Life are the same tree, and that the apple was intended to be eaten, but the serpent tricked them into consuming it pre-maturely and because they were not ready for the knowledge it contained, it caused them to fall-away from God (read: TWCB). We see this with the P.O.E. now. Only those with a concentrated level of TWCB D.N.A. can properly wield it and even so it injures them. Altair, in his old age seems to have been more matured by his proximity with it for long durations and adapted to its power.

Some of the AC mythology is very much straight out of the conspiracy theories of Joseph P. Farrell. Genetics and a race of Titans/Fallen Angels that co-habitate with the women in Eden. Hybrid races and elite banker societies that control the world. A little bit more well researched than Zacheria Sitchin. He believes that the pyramids and temples of old used sacred-geometry and peizo-electro-magneticism the same way we use communication networks today. Ancient technological communication systems from Temple to Temple.