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p-11.cAce
02-11-2006, 04:32 PM
takatakatakataka - smoke, flames, ground, refly, repeat. Thanks Danjama for putting up with my questions http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Maybe someday I'll actually see who just blew me out of the sky! So yesterday was the first time I ever flew online - and of course today I ran out and got a headset, ordered a Trackir4, installed teamspeak, and am seriously considering upgrading the old x45 to a 52 or CH setup. I've played Il2 offline since 2003 but had never ventured online - just playing alot of campaigns and building my own missions. I can't believe what I was missing!

jds1978
02-11-2006, 04:45 PM
agree 50,000%

heck, even getting shot down is a blast for me!

do yourself a favor and look into joining a squadron

also check into SNATF
http://www.vc-81.net/SNATF.htm]

as well as FISChttp://gofisc.com/

i've been at this online thing for a little less than 1 month and the experience is a real rush

just wait till you shoot down your first live pilot http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

danjama
02-11-2006, 05:02 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif NP mate, good having you aboard, now you will be addicted like the rest of us to online.

Its a shame you didnt join on a different day, my dogfights are usually really fun, just too many a holes joined last night, you know who and what i mean http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Viper2005_
02-11-2006, 05:30 PM
I suggest an U2Nxt Cougar setup with a decent set of rudder pedals. Expensive, but extremely effective!

Be warned; there are some very good pilots out there. Expect to spend a few months dying a lot. It gets better when you're the one doing the killing!

LeOs.K_Walstein
02-11-2006, 05:32 PM
WELLCOME, BROTHER!

Wallstein

p-11.cAce
02-11-2006, 05:36 PM
I just spent some time reading through the squad forum - early today I played on the 334th server in HL and just listened on ts to get a feel for things. I've read so many times in here "I learned more in a few hours online than a month offline" and it is 1000% true. I still do not understand all the stats - when is it ok to hit refly and when is it not? Do I have to ride the chute all the way down? What if I run out of ammo and land back at my base? What if I crash land at my base but survive? How do these affect my stats and where can I go to view them? What does each column of the online score represent?

Viper2005_
02-11-2006, 05:54 PM
Stats are kinda complicated.

I just try to kill enemy stuff without dying or losing my aeroplane. If it's choice between dying and losing my aeroplane I bin the aeroplane.

If possible I try to help friendlies along the way.

Don't take it too seriously. Good stats will happen if you fly right, provided that the stats system has been correctly designed; bad stats will get better. We all started out at some point, and I'm pretty certain that we were all pretty useless to begin with. I'm still not exactly brilliant...

However, here is my advice:

The most important stat is your gunstat. If you can make 10% then you're probably doing ok. Gunnery is actually the most important thing in air combat; good flying never killed anyone.

Avoid BFM. Avoid 1v1 fights. Both are pointless. The objective is to kill the other guy, not to fight him. The most effective way of doing this is to sneak up behind him and shoot him in the back.

Please see the track file posted here:

http://www.war-clouds.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=467

I can just about hold my own in BFM, but generally speaking I do my best to kill rather than to fight.

Other random advice (some of which is demonstrated in the track):

Fly Fast

Fly High

There <span class="ev_code_RED">is</span> a bandit behind you; you just haven't seen him yet.

Bellycheck frequently

Before firing, get too close. Then get closer.

Stackhouse25th
02-11-2006, 05:54 PM
I saw you in HL, I thought about 1v1 with you or shooting you down.

Viper2005_
02-11-2006, 05:56 PM
Been a long time since I was in HL...

danjama
02-11-2006, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
I just spent some time reading through the squad forum - early today I played on the 334th server in HL and just listened on ts to get a feel for things. I've read so many times in here "I learned more in a few hours online than a month offline" and it is 1000% true. I still do not understand all the stats - when is it ok to hit refly and when is it not? Do I have to ride the chute all the way down? What if I run out of ammo and land back at my base? What if I crash land at my base but survive? How do these affect my stats and where can I go to view them? What does each column of the online score represent?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

your worrying too much, the game isnt that formal. If you bail, click refly as soon as you like. No ammo? Land and refly. Landed? Click refly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Its really simple when you realise all this stuff and it sink in.

jds1978
02-11-2006, 06:53 PM
Avoid BFM. Avoid 1v1 fights. Both are pointless. The objective is to kill the other guy, not to fight him. The most effective way of doing this is to sneak up behind him and shoot him in the back.

excellent advice....90% of the time i am shot down I never saw it coming

Turn fighting on the deck will get you killed...i avoid it unless friendlies are in trouble

P11c: do the Warclouds or Spits v 109's/zekes and Wilcats thing online for dogfight servers...great fun is had by all. and don't worry about your stats....

danjama
02-11-2006, 08:10 PM
me and P11 had great fun on 334th tonight, really good fun actually, makes a change in that place

p-11.cAce
02-11-2006, 09:21 PM
That was a lot of fun tonight - even got a little group together on TS for a few missions - why are there so few people using TS? I think it is great fun when you can co-ordinate your flights and talk to each other.

fordfan25
02-12-2006, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
That was a lot of fun tonight - even got a little group together on TS for a few missions - why are there so few people using TS? I think it is great fun when you can co-ordinate your flights and talk to each other. i dont normaly use TS unless its on a privet channel with squad mates or there are only a few people on a side. on WC i cant understand because to many people are tring to talk at once and i never know who anyone is lol. besides the other voices in my head get pis$ed when i let in strangers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

F19_Ob
02-12-2006, 01:39 AM
Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
takatakatakataka - smoke, flames, ground, refly, repeat.

Hehe...Welcome to the world of "takatakatakataka - smoke, flames, ground"

My first experience was pretty much the same.
Remember to record tracks so u see what happened in detail.
Tracks are the best way to learn the opponents tricks and also improve ones deflectionshooting, and actually see where the rounds went (ahead or behind the target).
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Stafroty
02-12-2006, 01:44 AM
you are welcome to my wing if i happen to fly sometimes, just ask if you use Hyperlobby or see me at some server.

Kapteeni
02-12-2006, 02:03 AM
Online is fun. I dont have time to fly as often i would like. We play historical coops tuesdays and thurdays at lanpartys. Dogfightin at HL is great. Dont care about whining, just fly.

slipBall
02-12-2006, 02:53 AM
This might help a little with your scoring question.

http://www.sturmovik.de/index.php3?open=tut_score_a#awarding



Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
I just spent some time reading through the squad forum - early today I played on the 334th server in HL and just listened on ts to get a feel for things. I've read so many times in here "I learned more in a few hours online than a month offline" and it is 1000% true. I still do not understand all the stats - when is it ok to hit refly and when is it not? Do I have to ride the chute all the way down? What if I run out of ammo and land back at my base? What if I crash land at my base but survive? How do these affect my stats and where can I go to view them? What does each column of the online score represent?

triggerhappyfin
02-12-2006, 02:55 AM
Hi Ace.

Your first online encounter reminds of my owne.
(Still happens too often http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif).
When one thinks about whats been written about RL combat intros, the recemblence is striking.
Atleast we can hit refly.

Xiolablu3
02-12-2006, 03:41 AM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
That was a lot of fun tonight - even got a little group together on TS for a few missions - why are there so few people using TS? I think it is great fun when you can co-ordinate your flights and talk to each other. i dont normaly use TS unless its on a privet channel with squad mates or there are only a few people on a side. on WC i cant understand because to many people are tring to talk at once and i never know who anyone is lol. besides the other voices in my head get pis$ed when i let in strangers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

HI mate, get a little tiny prog called TeamSpeak overlay, it tells you in tiny letters who is speaking at that time, you dont even notice it if you arent looking for it and you can configure the messages to come up exactly where you want them.

I found it invaluable. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

p-11.cAce
02-12-2006, 09:27 AM
Thanks for the advice guys and and the invites to fly - though my opinion of my skills has been greatly reduced! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif Even getting killed online is more fun than finally getting past an offline campaign mission you've slogged through 10 times over and over (unless it is Flatspin's campaign http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif) My plan is to just put in a ton of time right now and try to get my skills up to speed. Late last night I was having fun on 334th just running in low to the opposing airfield, bagging some AA and trying to get back out http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif 'course I might have been drinking... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif