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Hawgdog
04-29-2006, 03:50 PM
How many copies- or licenses, or whatever they are called, have sold?

ElAurens
04-29-2006, 04:35 PM
Good question Hawgdog.

I'm gonna guess 20,000 copies the first day.

Stackhouse25th
04-29-2006, 04:36 PM
you'll never get that info, as far as i know they dont give it out. most companies

Lil-Pup
04-29-2006, 07:15 PM
Gosh, I hope it did 20,000 on the first day! I was thinking, more along the lines of 3000 in the West over its entire lifecycle... at best.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

HelSqnProtos
04-29-2006, 07:34 PM
S~!

NEVER will you see that info. Lets say they were 'underwhelmed' to put it mildly.

FritzGryphon
04-29-2006, 08:03 PM
It's easy to find out how many sold. Go to Hyperlobby and count how many people run 4.05, and multiply by 2.

Considering it was originally planned for eastern release only, I don't imagine it sold many worldwide, nor was it expected.

I do hope they make some serious pocket change on it, though.

DuxCorvan
04-30-2006, 04:50 AM
They release them for DL to save the burning, package and distribution costs. This way they can still make profit with it.

It's a very good idea, but that lame BoontyBox sevice doesn't help at all. It's a snail that can't pass 13k in my 4Mb connection, and it freezes the whole system to do so.

Besides, it puts its nose on everything and makes icons and folders and sh*ts everywhere. A very very disappointing service here, UBI.

Anyway, it's better than nothing at all, so, well, I can live with it. I HAVE to live with it.

p1ngu666
04-30-2006, 06:41 AM
given the non event status given to it by ubi, who knows?

given your getting naff all speed on the download, probably means the dl server is overwelmed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

|CoB|_Spectre
04-30-2006, 07:12 AM
Even if you knew what the sales figures were, that would only give you a snapshot of the moment. The poll at http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/4151032834
might be as significant. Of course, as with any statistic surrounding how-many-did-this or how-many-would-do-that, it only reflects numbers of those who cared enough to answer. Still, Ubi might be well advised to take the 2:1 margin of the poll saying they will only buy the addon as a CD, particularly since other options were polled as well.

jasonbirder
04-30-2006, 08:33 AM
It's easy to find out how many sold. Go to Hyperlobby and count how many people run 4.05, and multiply by 2

More like multiply by 20 than by 2 i'd have said...across the series as a whole people have estimated that 95% of players only EVER fly offline...
As PE2 is an add-on amied predominantly at ofline fliers ther's no reason to think the ratio will be any different for this add-on.

Foo.bar
04-30-2006, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
It's easy to find out how many sold. Go to Hyperlobby and count how many people run 4.05, and multiply by 2.

...and then subtract the illegal copies you'll never find out.

Adlerangriff
04-30-2006, 09:44 AM
71 people voted and no more than 70 people on HL have this patch.


I cant believe someone actually still has a job when they spend more time protecting the software than delivering a smooth, error free patch. I cant believe someone would not want this game often copied since so few people are in the target market anyway.

You company man.

DuxCorvan
04-30-2006, 09:56 AM
Mutiny of the Boonty! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif
http://www.saigonnet.vn/gallery/gallery/Actor/Tay-Au/Marlon-Brando/mutiny-009.jpg

VMF-214_HaVoK
04-30-2006, 11:23 AM
You all do realize that only a small percentage of those that own this series play online. And even a smaller percent use these forums. So you have no idea how many downloaded the addon.

HelSqnProtos
04-30-2006, 12:35 PM
S~!

The fanboy stupidity again.

It was a bust................. deal with it.

Ubi needs to learn that simmers are smarter than fps and rpg players and deal with us accordingly. These datamining schemes wont' cut it. I know that the message has gotten through to some key people. The question remains

Did it get through to Ubi????

FI-Skipper
04-30-2006, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
S~!

The fanboy stupidity again.



Be careful....you'll be flamed now! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Oleg has a black book and he'll hunt you down like a dog when he gets world domination via this boonty virus! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

I agree with you though...the Pe-2 thing has bombed....I know that no-one in our squadron wants it!

joeap
04-30-2006, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by FI-Skipper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
S~!

The fanboy stupidity again.



Be careful....you'll be flamed now! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Oleg has a black book and he'll hunt you down like a dog when he gets world domination via this boonty virus! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

I agree with you though...the Pe-2 thing has bombed....I know that no-one in our squadron wants it! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well I want the Pe-2, but am not sure I want Boonty box or whatever it is.

carguy_
04-30-2006, 01:34 PM
I`d really like to know the background behind the release.Why did they even decide to release this now?

FI-Skipper
04-30-2006, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by joeap:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FI-Skipper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
S~!

The fanboy stupidity again.


Be careful....you'll be flamed now! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Oleg has a black book and he'll hunt you down like a dog when he gets world domination via this boonty virus! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

I agree with you though...the Pe-2 thing has bombed....I know that no-one in our squadron wants it! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well I want the Pe-2, but am not sure I want Boonty box or whatever it is. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry thats what I meant , but I personally don't really want either!

|CoB|_Spectre
04-30-2006, 01:58 PM
The truly sad part of all this is that many people that frequent these boards wanted to support Maddox Games and would have, had the addon been made available the way it was in Russia. Quite a few people posted how that pay-for addons via download were the way to go. They got what they asked for, only they didn't count on added things that muddied the water. This, too, shall pass. I'm not sure of the traditional wisdom of releasing patches and addons on Fridays. It sure will make Monday harder to face.

HelSqnProtos
04-30-2006, 02:03 PM
S~!

Well lets be clear. The boonty thing was ALL ubi. Oleg had nothing to do with that.

I believe that had the release been malware/downloader free that it would have been a tremendous success.............. unfortunately now..................

jasonbirder
04-30-2006, 02:42 PM
I agree with you though...the Pe-2 thing has bombed....I know that no-one in our squadron wants it!

Maybe it will...maybe it won't, but the whether a few score people that regularly post on these forums do or don't buy it will have no bearing on its commercial success...sales are measured in thousands and tens of thousands not a few dozens...
Besides...I don't understand the outpouring of vitriol about this...A product has been released that some people don't want to buy...well don't - easy peasy.
I feel no burning inclination to bore people by moaning about all the products i've decided not to buy so why does everyone else feel the need too...
Its like everyone that hasn't purchased it is here looking for some kind of collective affirnmation that they've made a wise choice...Well lets be honest it doesn't matter either way does it...There are only 4 options relating to the Pe2 add on
1. Purchased, installed happily playing
2. Purchased, encountered technical problems...either get help here on the community help forum or contact UBI support
3. Didn't purchase Pe2 happily playing 4.04m
4. Whats a FB/AEP/PF ?
Whatever your answer is....keep it to yourself!

Bobsqueek
04-30-2006, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by FI-Skipper:

I agree with you though...the Pe-2 thing has bombed....I know that no-one in our squadron wants it!

Well, I wouldnt say that no one in the FI wants the addon a few of us have already got it, and many are planning to. I dont see a mass condemnation of the addon...where'd you get the idea no one in the squadron wants/wont buy the addon

|CoB|_Spectre
04-30-2006, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
Well lets be clear. The boonty thing was ALL ubi. Oleg had nothing to do with that.

That should be abundantly clear to anyone except those who haven't been watching events unfold over the weekend. That's why I said, had it been done the way Oleg did it in Russia, things would've been very different. Not all is lost, Ubi just needs to address the concerns...and they may, for all we know. Time will tell.

-HH- Beebop
04-30-2006, 04:15 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/HH_Beebop/MutinyontheBoonty.jpg

Thanks to DuxCorvan for the original photo.

rookie66
05-01-2006, 05:57 AM
I have payed for every single part of Il-2-series.
And I have also payed for the Pe-2 boonty download.
But after the experience with boonty, I will never have such software again on my PC.
If I will get CDs like in the past, everything is fine. If the future brings downloads with software like boonty, I will stop paying for games. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

People which have payed for the game to make sure that a further development take place, have this **** boonty on their PCs.
People which pay nothing have a proper installation without boonty.
Can that be serious? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Codex1971
05-01-2006, 07:37 AM
I wonder how many ppl who are spitting out negative comments have actauly bought it?

I have...

Boonty works fine...I've had no problems what so ever. I was able to download the add-on at full speed without interuption on 512k ADSL. After it was isntalled I uninstalled boonty and I've had no problems since. The only criticism I have is that if you don't have a connection to the net you can't install it, as a Boonty shell is incorperated in the add-on.exe file and needs to connect to the net to confirm your activation code.

As for sales, I think you nay sayers under-estimate this addon. If they sold 3K to 4K units in the first day then they're doing fine.

rookie66
05-01-2006, 09:42 AM
Boonty works fine...I've had no problems what so ever.

I wish you much fun with your new XP system service boonty. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
One more system service, who cares? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

IAFS_Painter
05-01-2006, 09:45 AM
Well, I paid, and downloaded
A significant proportion of my squad has it (enough to encourage doubters)
I do like the additional a/craft.

I did spent time and effort getting rid of booty-box



On marketing polls - I avoid them.
The answers offered rarely fit my conception of the truth.

Xiolablu3
05-01-2006, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:

NEVER will you see that info. Lets say they were 'underwhelmed' to put it mildly.

How strange, you seem to have 'seen' the 'unseenable'. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif


Oleg got requests to release this is the West, it obviously would not sell many copies and so UBI and 1C had to find a cheap way to distribute, where players could get their copies if they really wanted them.

Therefore a STEAM like download system, cost is minimal. Fans who really want th addon can buy it in the West.

Not the end of the world is it?

WTE_Galway
05-01-2006, 06:11 PM
there was probably also a concern that addons sold in retial stores tend to get bought by mistake by people without the game .. though that has never been an issue previously

downloads are fine if you could just pay and download and take it away and install it

the current system is useless for anyone whose game machine is offline and needs to download elsewhere on a system with no iL2 (in other words most offline players)and seems to barely work even for people with the game installed on the machine they use to do a download

BillPosters
05-01-2006, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
the current system is useless for anyone whose game machine is offline and needs to download elsewhere on a system with no iL2 (in other words most offline players)and seems to barely work even for people with the game installed on the machine they use to do a download

This is simply not true. Just last night I installed PE-2 on a fresh install of windows without Boonty Box ever coming into sight.
Once the PE-2 executable has been downloaded you are free to do with it as you wish. The only thing you must do is to make sure you back up the original il2.exe and il2fb.exe to replace the versions installed by the addon.

I also believe you are mistaken in your assertion that most offline players are so purely because of a lack of internet connection to their games machine. Many offline players simply choose to play offline.

-HH-Quazi
05-02-2006, 12:01 AM
Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
S~!

Well lets be clear. The boonty thing was ALL ubi. Oleg had nothing to do with that.

I believe that had the release been malware/downloader free that it would have been a tremendous success.............. unfortunately now..................

I scanned Boonty Box with six paid anti-spyware\malware programs, three free scanners of the same type, two different anti-virus programs (Norton & Panda), and found no sign of this junk. And after following Luthiers' instructions, using the 4.04M exe's and getting rig of the FLEXActivation service file, Boonty was uninstalled completely, including the service it cranked up.

I know it was a pain. It has done nothing to protect it from piracy. I hope they get rid of it next addon time around. But I don't believe they will. But now most here know how to deal with it and I will purchase the next one even if Boonty Box is used. I do understand how everyone feels though. I feel the same way, but it looks like all that we can do is adapt\overcome. HEHE

rough_feet
05-02-2006, 05:10 AM
It's a very good idea, but that lame BoontyBox sevice doesn't help at all. It's a snail that can't pass 13k in my 4Mb connection, and it freezes the whole system to do so.

file sharing programs are faster...HAHA http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Kira1985
05-02-2006, 07:50 AM
Everyone knows what happened when UBI put starcrap in their games. They never learn.
UBI's not getting one cent from me.

domenlovrec
05-02-2006, 08:37 AM
Two more BoontyBoxes to come! Cheers!

jasonbirder
05-02-2006, 09:20 AM
Flight Sims have never been the most straight forward to set up...What with bugs, Patches, hardware set-up, config.ini files, Mod managers, F4 patch, HOTAS settings, Track IR blah blah blah...these hardcore games have never been put ones you can drop in the CD drive press start and be up and running.
Thankfully the sim community has always been around to help the less PC Savvy amongst us get over these trials and tribulations...
Compared to some of the things i've had to do to get games running properly on my system unistalling this Boontybox & swapping Exe files is small cheese...
So if the result is some great add-ons the effort it takes to get it running is a small price to pay...particularly when for me at least its such a cheap price - 9.99 for a download - if it was a retail game it would be 19.99 minimum....

Xiolablu3
05-02-2006, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:

I know it was a pain. It has done nothing to protect it from piracy.


I disagree actually.

Usually games are released in pirate version the same day or day after the release day.

No sign of the PE2 addon on being pirated yet, I have checked all the release sites, and we are what 3 days in now?

Thats got to be a good sign!

1.JaVA_Hornet
05-02-2006, 11:56 AM
I have paid it but didn`t got the download
till now!!

That are also hundreds of people i think.

HelSqnProtos
05-02-2006, 01:02 PM
S~!

Ubi has apologized,

I think that more than anything else posted in this thread reflects the true state of the addon sales. The reader can draw his own conclusions of course.

I sincerely hope that another method to distribute can be implemented. Boonty Box was a bust.

Just give us the straight install shield with a key. Then make the key required to play online. Presto magic problem solved. Its not that hard. You don't need to try to collect info on someones gaming habits ect.... or scan their hardrives.

T_Kang
05-02-2006, 01:57 PM
Random thoughts:

What I think I see between the lines is that for IL2 development to continue is money coming in. This seems real simple, even an aerospace engineer with tunnel-vision (like me) can understand it. No money, no sim. Add to that, $400 billion lost in software piracy last year; there will be actions taken. If you want a game, the money is in consoles or Pay-to Play. These eliminate many of the piracy and development issues. Decent Add-On sales might give the bean-counters an option, unless you prefer Pay-to-Play subscriptions.

I will say that I am not pleased with the download system, but such is life. Eventually this will (hopefully?) be sorted out. Compare this to Pay-to-Play.

IMO, IL2 is still €œthe€ WWII flight-sim available on the market.

I hope that this addition is successful, and the next one is released soon.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m...721031934#6721031934 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/1471060934/r/6721031934#6721031934)

Pig_Mac
05-02-2006, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by T_Kang:
$400 billion lost in software piracy last year


What kind of piracy are you talking about? the commercial piracy or the 'I-found-it-on-the-internet-so-I-don't-have-to-pay' kind of piracy?

One kind really costs money to the developers, the other costs some, but is pretty good PR (if the game is good), and probably make people pay for the product to keep it developing.

I preordered 'Oblivion collectors edition', at the time I got my copy I was level 15. Making sure the game is available in the customers hands before they can steal it isn't priority #1, making sure they will buy it since it's great is!

Treating 'illegal' downloads as non theft, claiming information should be free is insanity. Paying 60$ for something that is really bad is the same, insanity and theft!

T_Kang
05-02-2006, 02:41 PM
The $400b figure was the collective total (rounded estimate) issued to the FBI, and was told to me at one of the seminars in San Jose in March (GameDev Conference). I have seen this figure floating around a few sites also.

I personally am tired of spending money (one way or another) for the latest whiz-bang resource sucking Anti-Spy-Hacker-Piracy-Malware crud.

georgeo76
05-02-2006, 04:09 PM
The 400b figure is a highly dubious government figure. Here is the formula:

guess how much software is pirated
assume that every pirate would buy his software if he did not steal it
assume that pirates never later buy any of the software they do steal
guess how much the premium retail value of all that software would be.
double that
pass it to your boss who arbitrarily inflates it for a keynote
presto..... you've got an official figure used like gospel


You see there is incentive to inflate these figures, little actual data to go on, and almost nobody will dispute you. They do the same thing w/ illegal drugs. They can't even measure what they seize.

For example, when the DEA makes a big bust you will often hear two figures on the news, the weight of what is sized and the 'street value' of that much wight.

In cocaine busts, let's say they find the drugs in a steal drum, well, they weigh the drum, in a Uhaul trailer, they weigh the whole trailer. But the best is when they find a pot farm.... they weigh the entire plant, often wet, including the soil and roots . And the street value figure is outrageous even still. If you do the math, the DEA will often estimate the street value of pot to something like $500 an ounce..... ouch must be some premo root.

A couple of years ago I saw on the news where 90something pounds of LSD was sized in a raid. 90 pounds! Ok, maybe you don't know anything about acid, but the average dose is like 25-50 micro grams. So that would work out to something like 816 million hits!

waffen-79
05-02-2006, 05:53 PM
Seriously guys, are Sales doing ok? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

I don't want them to cancel the other two upcoming addons just because this BBox **** or bad sales.

I want my Ar-234 released! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

J_Anonymous
05-02-2006, 06:08 PM
I share the concern with Waffen. Based on the earlier trend of free downloading of patches 3.4, 4.01 through 4.04, Ubi must have a good sense of the market size and hence the expected sales volume. I speculate that 4.05 sales is not going so fast as they hoped, and they realized the needs to rectify the public relations problem? The last thing I want to see is 4.06 cancelled and the financial suffering by Oleg's team, and I hope everything will be OK soon. I have not purchased 4.05. I really want 4.05 on a CD, or a very simple downloading scheme. If Wallmart can distribute cheap PF packaged with 2 other games in the U.S. and Canada, why can't they market CD's for a PC idiot like myself?

Bearcat99
05-02-2006, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by FI-Skipper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
S~!
The fanboy stupidity again.


Be careful....you'll be flamed now! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Oleg has a black book and he'll hunt you down like a dog when he gets world domination via this boonty virus! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif
I agree with you though...the Pe-2 thing has bombed....I know that no-one in our squadron wants it! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then they are shortchanging themselves..... look the bottom line is this....

1)The "Pe-2 thing" as you call it has not bombed..... it is actually a pretty good piece of kit. Considering the stuff revealed in this (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/1471060934) thread.. the whole Boonty Box as a reason NOT to buy the Pe-2 add on is all a bunch of hoooey.

2)Ok.... so we all know that there are a bunch of illegal DLs floating about.. it's no secret at all... and I bet that many of the folks who talk that smack about "Not wanting the booty cr@p on my PC.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif" have downloaded one of the "other" copies floating about. If they want a Boontyless Pe-2... fine... pay for a license anyway.... and leave the unopened Boontyfied Pe-2 on your drive or on a disk... etc.... You don't even have to deal with the Boonty Box.. but I bet a lot of people who are in HL right now flying 4.05 who have already gotten an unpurchased copy will never do that. At least don't come in here talking smack about it.. especially if you dont have it... and for whatever silly reason you can come up with claim not to want it. I am curious as to how many guys who ragged the h@ll out of the whole Boonty mess are flying 4.05 right now.. and will NEVER..... do the right thing by the guys who produced it.

There will always be some... and I am sure that that is taken into consideration when games are developed.... but I bet a lot more folks who can and should pay... and havent.... wont.... than will.

I don't, won't and can't judge anyone else on what they do..... I only have control over myself.... Personally I think it is worth the cost... so .... thats my 2cents. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

fordfan25
05-02-2006, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by georgeo76:
The 400b figure is a highly dubious government figure. Here is the formula:

guess how much software is pirated
assume that every pirate would buy his software if he did not steal it
assume that pirates never later buy any of the software they do steal
guess how much the premium retail value of all that software would be.
double that
pass it to your boss who arbitrarily inflates it for a keynote
presto..... you've got an official figure used like gospel


You see there is incentive to inflate these figures, little actual data to go on, and almost nobody will dispute you. They do the same thing w/ illegal drugs. They can't even measure what they seize.

For example, when the DEA makes a big bust you will often hear two figures on the news, the weight of what is sized and the 'street value' of that much wight.

In cocaine busts, let's say they find the drugs in a steal drum, well, they weigh the drum, in a Uhaul trailer, they weigh the whole trailer. But the best is when they find a pot farm.... they weigh the entire plant, often wet, including the soil and roots . And the street value figure is outrageous even still. If you do the math, the DEA will often estimate the street value of pot to something like $500 an ounce..... ouch must be some premo root.

A couple of years ago I saw on the news where 90something pounds of LSD was sized in a raid. 90 pounds! Ok, maybe you don't know anything about acid, but the average dose is like 25-50 micro grams. So that would work out to something like 816 million hits! you sure seem to have alot of knowldge of illigal drug's.....would explain past post. LOL j/k man.

WTE_Galway
05-02-2006, 07:35 PM
something like 6000 hits on the install guide thread

assuming some people go there dozens of times that suggests a sales figure of 10,000 or 20,000 is very unlikely

Bearcat99
05-02-2006, 07:40 PM
My order number was 81093... if that is any indication. I dont know if that is just for Pe-2, a totally unrelated number.. or what.

ManfredB2004
05-02-2006, 08:19 PM
[/QUOTE]
2)Ok.... so we all know that there are a bunch of illegal DLs floating about.. it's no secret at all... and I bet that many of the folks who talk that smack about "Not wanting the booty cr@p on my PC.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif" have downloaded one of the "other" copies floating about. If they want a Boontyless Pe-2... fine... pay for a license anyway.... and leave the unopened Boontyfied Pe-2 on your drive or on a disk... etc.... You don't even have to deal with the Boonty Box.. but I bet a lot of people who are in HL right now flying 4.05 who have already gotten an unpurchased copy will never do that. At least don't come in here talking smack about it.. especially if you dont have it... and for whatever silly reason you can come up with claim not to want it. I am curious as to how many guys who ragged the h@ll out of the whole Boonty mess are flying 4.05 right now.. and will NEVER..... do the right thing by the guys who produced it.

There will always be some... and I am sure that that is taken into consideration when games are developed.... but I bet a lot more folks who can and should pay... and havent.... wont.... than will.

I don't, won't and can't judge anyone else on what they do..... I only have control over myself.... Personally I think it is worth the cost... so .... thats my 2cents. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif[/QUOTE]

Well, probably I€m one of the guys that will never fly 4.05 even I paid 49.98 for the ultimate edition. If a company like UBI teams up with something like Boonty I think paying customers have a right to complain if they cannot get what they paid for regardless the number of unpaid DLs they have on their PC.

TAW_Oilburner
05-02-2006, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
My order number was 81093... if that is any indication. I dont know if that is just for Pe-2, a totally unrelated number.. or what.

Did you order after me?? I thought you would have been one of the first..

Order # 80316
Date of Order 30/04/2006

vocatx
05-02-2006, 08:43 PM
Bearcat, my order number was 79159. Like you, I don't know if they started with 00001 or not, but I would still think there is some sort of correlation with the number of sales.

A.K.Davis
05-02-2006, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by vocatx:
Bearcat, my order number was 79159. Like you, I don't know if they started with 00001 or not, but I would still think there is some sort of correlation with the number of sales.

I'm certain they didn't start with zero. Mine was in the 79000s also, ordered Friday.

Bearcat99
05-02-2006, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by TAW_Oilburner:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
My order number was 81093... if that is any indication. I dont know if that is just for Pe-2, a totally unrelated number.. or what.

Did you order after me?? I thought you would have been one of the first..
Order # 80316
Date of Order 30/04/2006 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had a lot of problems in the first few days... couldnt get my card recognized.

tagTaken2
05-03-2006, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by BillPosters:

This is simply not true. Just last night I installed PE-2 on a fresh install of windows without Boonty Box ever coming into sight.
Once the PE-2 executable has been downloaded you are free to do with it as you wish. The only thing you must do is to make sure you back up the original il2.exe and il2fb.exe to replace the versions installed by the addon.


But you still had to download to windows 2k+ machine, right?

I had to **** up my sisters install with boontyxox.

Lil-Pup
05-03-2006, 12:36 AM
Order # 80316
Date of Order 30/04/2006

I ordered on the 26th, #78954. Since its definatley sequential, we can deduce that Pe-2 moved a maximum of 1362 units between my order on Friday night, and yours on Sunday... and then 777 through Bearcats order.

The real number would be lower, obviously, because people could have been ordering other things... but it could be higher overall because Boontybox has a MASSIVE download service and they were offering it too.

ElAurens
05-03-2006, 05:20 AM
My order number was 78567. I ordered on the 28th.

Codex1971
05-03-2006, 05:58 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TAW_Oilburner:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
My order number was 81093... if that is any indication. I dont know if that is just for Pe-2, a totally unrelated number.. or what.

Did you order after me?? I thought you would have been one of the first..
Order # 80316
Date of Order 30/04/2006 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had a lot of problems in the first few days... couldnt get my card recognized. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same here...it took me 2 attempts before I made the purchase.

WOLFMondo
05-03-2006, 06:02 AM
Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
You all do realize that only a small percentage of those that own this series play online. And even a smaller percent use these forums. So you have no idea how many downloaded the addon.

True enough. Also remembering that many more poeple play this sim in the east (Russian federation and China) than they do in the west.

B16Enk
05-03-2006, 07:46 AM
I had a fuss free install, and have (for the time being) left BoontyBox in all it's glory on my PC.

Distribution, even on line, of the addon took some serious and expensive resources.
My install went without a hitch, and I have to say I prefer BoontyBox as a delivery method to the piracy prevention methods used on CD's.

It is very unfortunate that so many encountered issues installing their licensed copy, but UBI, Boontybox and Maddox:1C are working to resolve these issues. A lesson has been learnt, and we can look forward to the application of that lesson in the next add-on.

My order number, for the record, is:

0077705 Placed @ 12:30 BST before official release time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PF_Coastie
05-03-2006, 09:35 AM
My order number was 77817, just a few minutes after official time.

T_Kang
05-03-2006, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by PF_Coastie:
My order number was 77817, just a few minutes after official time.

Hail Coastie. As a ref my order that was billed was 80085 ($18.95). As I am still sorting out issues; I noticed that PE-2 was listed 4x times in my basket.

Rattler68
05-03-2006, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by PF_Coastie:
My order number was 77817, just a few minutes after official time.
80844, Sunday 30 April. Go Oilers Go!

JG52Uther
05-03-2006, 01:57 PM
79850 17.45 GMT on the 29th http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Aaron_GT
05-03-2006, 03:06 PM
I'm certain they didn't start with zero. Mine was in the 79000s also, ordered Friday.

Same for me. Looks to be around 3000 to 4000 downloads, maybe?

panther3485
05-03-2006, 08:10 PM
Hi there, WTE_Galway and BillPosters

Quote 1:
"....anyone whose game machine is offline and needs to download elsewhere on a system with no iL2 (in other words most offline players)"

Quote 2:
"I also believe you are mistaken in your assertion that most offline players are so purely because of a lack of internet connection to their games machine. Many offline players simply choose to play offline."


Although I do not have at my fingertips any figures to prove this, I am strongly inclined to agree with the second statement, rather than the first.

I have been connected to the Internet, with my gaming machine, for years and have until now simply chosen to play offline only.

In my own circles, I know several dozen other PC game/sim players (family, friends and acquaintances), all of whom have internet connection, most having broadband. Only a handful of these play online - most are offline only.

Also, relatively few of these people go to forums such as this to read or post their opinions. I suspect this would represent the majority of PC game players. To use a hackneyed phrase, I guess you could call them a 'silent majority'?

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


Best regards,
panther3485

TX-EcoDragon
05-04-2006, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by Codex1971:
I wonder how many ppl who are spitting out negative comments have actauly bought it?

I have...

Boonty works fine...I've had no problems what so ever. I was able to download the add-on at full speed without interuption on 512k ADSL. After it was isntalled I uninstalled boonty and I've had no problems since. The only criticism I have is that if you don't have a connection to the net you can't install it, as a Boonty shell is incorperated in the add-on.exe file and needs to connect to the net to confirm your activation code.


Likewise. . no troubles here, though Boonty was off my machie as soon as I had installed the sim.

Oh and:

Order#79203 and order placed on 04/29/2006

BillPosters
05-04-2006, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by tagTaken2:
But you still had to download to windows 2k+ machine, right?

I had to **** up my sisters install with boontyxox.

Sure, but Boonty is quite easily uninstalled leaving no ill effects. Even the services that are launched by the modified game .exe's can be removed by the somewhat tech savvy, though without the .exes there to launch them they are quite benign.

Codex1971
05-04-2006, 06:02 AM
Mine - #79211

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-04-2006, 06:08 AM
#80450. 30/04/06 if anyone wants to compare numbers with dates.

And no problems. Used the uninstaller that came with BB.

Takata_
05-04-2006, 06:53 AM
order # 81267, May 3rd 2006
+ 817 in 3 days. I guess they are selling other stuff as well as this add-on.
S~
Takata

rumsinsfeld
05-04-2006, 08:51 AM
quote:
No sign of the PE2 addon on being pirated yet, I have checked all the release sites, and we are what 3 days in now?

LOL

My advice for Oleg:

-In-Game-Server-Browser
-Online-Key
-improve netcode (Bubble system)
-Bring new versions every year, BOB2006 BOB2007 etc., Take 100 Euro, simmers can afford it

Copy protection for offline games never work, never, never, never.