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DKoor
08-24-2007, 08:18 PM
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51MwHzK4zxL._SS500_.jpg

among others

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51aMnA1J%2BwL._SS500_.jpg
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51NKOQ0iSYL._SS500_.jpg
http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51dVd3%2BlLtL._SS500_.jpg
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51RqiQ0artL._SS500_.jpg
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/41v-ZLdwFgL._SS500_.jpg
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51bilk4YtkL._SS500_.jpg

I'm getting some of those be sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

FritzGryphon
08-24-2007, 08:23 PM
And here I thought there was another V-22 crash.

JadehawkII
08-24-2007, 08:59 PM
Nice spelling of Sturmovik....where did that H come from? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

heywooood
08-24-2007, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
And here I thought there was another V-22 crash.

I just saw a V-22 Osprey fly over MCAS Miramar yesterday, so they are in quals again now...BtW for what it can carry and how big those rotoprops are...its surprisingly quiet.

sounds like a Grumman Greyhound - and its probably 2-3 times faster than a Chinook

Bremspropeller
08-25-2007, 08:22 AM
Nice spelling of Sturmovik....where did that H come from?


Because it's not pronounced st (as in "stop"), but sht (like in "ship").

Therefore it's "Sh-turmovik", not "S-turmovik".

general_kalle
08-25-2007, 09:59 AM
one of the guys in my squad is a book Editor of a company making aviation books,
im gonna show him this.

JimmyBlonde
08-25-2007, 10:54 AM
Oooh, those titles make me feel all funny.

WarWolfe_1
08-25-2007, 11:10 AM
Out comes the wallet http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

DKoor
08-25-2007, 11:39 AM
About Sturmovik.....yes it's pronouced Shturmovik and not Sturmovik.

It's not "S" it's "Sh".

In fact in many books I've read it was spelled Shturmovik...

mandrill7
08-25-2007, 11:56 AM
Nice to know someone listens to me once in a while!

I put in a request for the Shturmovik book months ago and lost hope that anything would ever come of it. But my faith is restored.

I also requested a Pe-2 book and a book re Soviet "heavy" bomber units of the GPW to feature the Il-4, Pe-8 and B-25. Hope they come through as well.

DKoor
08-25-2007, 12:27 PM
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K_Freddie
08-25-2007, 05:38 PM
Link, if there is one.. please!!

thank you
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DKoor
08-25-2007, 07:58 PM
amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_adv_b/?search-alias=stripbooks&field-keywords=&author=&select-author=field-author-like&title=aircraft+of+the+aces&select-title=field-title&subject=&select-subject=field-subject&field-publisher=&field-isbn=&node=&field-binding=&field-age=&field-language=&field-dateop=before&field-datemod=0&field-dateyear=2009&chooser-sort=rank%21%2Bdaterank&mysubmitbutton1.x=50&mysubmitbutton1.y=11)

...do a little search you'll find them all there...funny thing even official Osprey doesn't have all those listed lol.

tagTaken2
08-26-2007, 08:27 AM
Originally posted by DKoor:
amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_adv_b/?search-alias=stripbooks&field-keywords=&author=&select-author=field-author-like&title=aircraft+of+the+aces&select-title=field-title&subject=&select-subject=field-subject&field-publisher=&field-isbn=&node=&field-binding=&field-age=&field-language=&field-dateop=before&field-datemod=0&field-dateyear=2009&chooser-sort=rank%21%2Bdaterank&mysubmitbutton1.x=50&mysubmitbutton1.y=11)

...do a little search you'll find them all there...funny thing even official Osprey doesn't have all those listed lol.

I would love it if someone with an interest has a list of all the Korean air war titles they publish..? I've tried searching on the website, and on Amazon, but I know I'm not getting them all.

K_Freddie
08-26-2007, 09:20 AM
Thanks DKoor http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Rammjaeger
08-27-2007, 06:23 AM
Originally posted by DKoor:
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51bilk4YtkL._SS500_.jpg

I'm getting some of those be sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I guess this was the first release of the newest Osprey Publishing series, "Duel":

http://www.ospreypublishing.com/title_detail.php/title=T1893

I'm a big fan of the publisher. This is one of their funnier releases:

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x148/Rammjaeger1983/S8774AL.jpg

and

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x148/Rammjaeger1983/T177XAL.jpg

Maybe they will have a release entitled "Even More Bf-109 Aces of the Russian Front" sometime.

mandrill7
08-27-2007, 06:31 AM
Anyone know what the twin-engine, single-tailed Russian a/c is in the 109 book?

BGs_Ricky
08-27-2007, 06:43 AM
Originally posted by mandrill7:
Anyone know what the twin-engine, single-tailed Russian a/c is in the 109 book?

I'd say it's a SB bomber.

Metatron_123
08-27-2007, 07:41 AM
Isn't that a Zero on the cover of the P-40 vs Ki-43 book?

Bremspropeller
08-27-2007, 07:57 AM
Yeah, it is, lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

DKoor
08-27-2007, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by Rammjaeger:
Maybe they will have a release entitled "Even More Bf-109 Aces of the Russian Front" sometime. I know I have this "More 109 aces...etc." lol but it's a fine title!

I still didn't catch the time to read it, but they put in the larger color profiles than usual...perhaps they set a new standard in it?
I dunno...in any case, it's quite unjustified to skip all those ~50kill German aces.....

About Ki-43 vs P-40 that is not final cover those are just copy/pasted images from some other titles...they will probably make brand new cover just for this title.

DKoor
08-27-2007, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by tagTaken2:
I would love it if someone with an interest has a list of all the Korean air war titles they publish..? I've tried searching on the website, and on Amazon, but I know I'm not getting them all. I'll try...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

csThor
08-27-2007, 08:15 AM
Originally posted by DKoor:
I still didn't catch the time to read it, but they put in the larger color profiles than usual...perhaps they set a new standard in it?


The profiles are still the same cr@p as usual. Profiles in other books ("Tomahawk & Kittyhawk aces of the RAF & the Commonwealth" or "Yak Aces") are much better, but for the german profiles they still let that "graphical quack doctor" M. Weal do the work. But his profiles are anything but realistic and are not even remotely comparable to Claes Sundin or Tom Tullis.

DKoor
08-27-2007, 10:19 AM
F-86 Sabre Aces of the 51st Fighter Wing (Aircraft of the Aces) (http://www.amazon.com/F-86-Sabre-Aces-Fighter-Aircraft/dp/1841769959/ref=sr_1_3/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188223942&sr=1-3)
B-29 Superfortress Units of the Korean War (Combat Aircraft) (http://www.amazon.com/Superfortress-Units-Korean-Combat-Aircraft/dp/1841766542/ref=sr_1_7/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188223942&sr=1-7)
F-86 Sabres of the 4th Fighter Interceptor Wing (Frontline Colour) (http://www.amazon.com/Sabres-Fighter-Interceptor-Frontline-Colour/dp/1841762873/ref=sr_1_9/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188223942&sr=1-9)
B-26 Invader Units over Korea (Osprey Frontline Colour 4) (http://www.amazon.com/Invader-Units-Osprey-Frontline-Colour/dp/1841760803/ref=sr_1_11/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188223942&sr=1-11)
F-84 Thunderjet Units Over Korea (Osprey Frontline Colour 3) (http://www.amazon.com/Thunderjet-Units-Osprey-Frontline-Colour/dp/1841760226/ref=sr_1_12/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188223942&sr=1-12)
F-51 Mustang Units over Korea (Osprey Frontline Colour 1) (http://www.amazon.com/Mustang-Units-Osprey-Frontline-Colour/dp/1855329174/ref=sr_1_14/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188223981&sr=1-14)
Korea: The Air War 1950-1953 (Osprey Colour Series) (http://www.amazon.com/Korea-Air-1950-1953-Osprey-Colour/dp/1855321157/ref=sr_1_15/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188223981&sr=1-15)
F-86 Sabre Fighter-Bomber Units over Korea (Osprey Frontline Colour 2) (http://www.amazon.com/Sabre-Fighter-Bomber-Osprey-Frontline-Colour/dp/1855329298/ref=sr_1_16/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188223981&sr=1-16)
B-26 Invader Units over Korea (Osprey Frontline Colour 4) (http://www.amazon.com/Invader-Units-Osprey-Frontline-Colour/dp/1841760803/ref=sr_1_17/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188223981&sr=1-17)
Korea: The Air War (2) (Osprey Colour Series) (http://www.amazon.com/Korea-Air-War-Osprey-Colour/dp/185532234X/ref=sr_1_18/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188223981&sr=1-18)
F-86 Sabre Aces of the 4th Fighter Wing (Aircraft of the Aces) (http://www.amazon.com/F-86-Sabre-Aces-Fighter-Aircraft/dp/1841769967/ref=sr_1_2/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188224084&sr=1-2)
F-80 Shooting Star Units over Korea (Osprey Frontline Colour 5) (http://www.amazon.com/Shooting-Units-Osprey-Frontline-Colour/dp/1841762253/ref=pd_sim_b_img/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&qid=1188223981&sr=1-20)
Korean War Aces (Aircraft of the Aces) (http://www.amazon.com/Korean-War-Aces-Aircraft/dp/1855325012/ref=sr_1_9/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188224084&sr=1-9)
Soviet MiG-15 Aces of the Korean War (Aircraft of the Aces) (http://www.amazon.com/Soviet-MiG-15-Aces-Korean-Aircraft/dp/1846032997/ref=sr_1_1/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188224549&sr=1-1)

tagTaken2
08-27-2007, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by DKoor:
F-86 Sabre Aces of the 51st Fighter Wing (Aircraft of the Aces) (http://www.amazon.com/F-86-Sabre-Aces-Fighter-Aircraft/dp/1841769959/ref=sr_1_3/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188223942&sr=1-3)
B-29 Superfortress Units of the Korean War (Combat Aircraft) (http://www.amazon.com/Superfortress-Units-Korean-Combat-Aircraft/dp/1841766542/ref=sr_1_7/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188223942&sr=1-7)
F-86 Sabres of the 4th Fighter Interceptor Wing (Frontline Colour) (http://www.amazon.com/Sabres-Fighter-Interceptor-Frontline-Colour/dp/1841762873/ref=sr_1_9/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188223942&sr=1-9)
B-26 Invader Units over Korea (Osprey Frontline Colour 4) (http://www.amazon.com/Invader-Units-Osprey-Frontline-Colour/dp/1841760803/ref=sr_1_11/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188223942&sr=1-11)
F-84 Thunderjet Units Over Korea (Osprey Frontline Colour 3) (http://www.amazon.com/Thunderjet-Units-Osprey-Frontline-Colour/dp/1841760226/ref=sr_1_12/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188223942&sr=1-12)
F-51 Mustang Units over Korea (Osprey Frontline Colour 1) (http://www.amazon.com/Mustang-Units-Osprey-Frontline-Colour/dp/1855329174/ref=sr_1_14/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188223981&sr=1-14)
Korea: The Air War 1950-1953 (Osprey Colour Series) (http://www.amazon.com/Korea-Air-1950-1953-Osprey-Colour/dp/1855321157/ref=sr_1_15/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188223981&sr=1-15)
F-86 Sabre Fighter-Bomber Units over Korea (Osprey Frontline Colour 2) (http://www.amazon.com/Sabre-Fighter-Bomber-Osprey-Frontline-Colour/dp/1855329298/ref=sr_1_16/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188223981&sr=1-16)
B-26 Invader Units over Korea (Osprey Frontline Colour 4) (http://www.amazon.com/Invader-Units-Osprey-Frontline-Colour/dp/1841760803/ref=sr_1_17/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188223981&sr=1-17)
Korea: The Air War (2) (Osprey Colour Series) (http://www.amazon.com/Korea-Air-War-Osprey-Colour/dp/185532234X/ref=sr_1_18/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188223981&sr=1-18)
F-86 Sabre Aces of the 4th Fighter Wing (Aircraft of the Aces) (http://www.amazon.com/F-86-Sabre-Aces-Fighter-Aircraft/dp/1841769967/ref=sr_1_2/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188224084&sr=1-2)
F-80 Shooting Star Units over Korea (Osprey Frontline Colour 5) (http://www.amazon.com/Shooting-Units-Osprey-Frontline-Colour/dp/1841762253/ref=pd_sim_b_img/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&qid=1188223981&sr=1-20)
Korean War Aces (Aircraft of the Aces) (http://www.amazon.com/Korean-War-Aces-Aircraft/dp/1855325012/ref=sr_1_9/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188224084&sr=1-9)
Soviet MiG-15 Aces of the Korean War (Aircraft of the Aces) (http://www.amazon.com/Soviet-MiG-15-Aces-Korean-Aircraft/dp/1846032997/ref=sr_1_1/002-6599407-0374407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188224549&sr=1-1)

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Thanks! There's a couple I'm ordering tonight.

DKoor
08-27-2007, 10:34 AM
Note: some of those are old books, and some haven't been published yet...but I believe that sooner or later you can have them all! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I collect ALL Osprey "Aces" series http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif probably will switch to "Elite" units once when I'm done with the "Aces"....


Profiles in other books ("Tomahawk & Kittyhawk aces of the RAF & the Commonwealth" or "Yak Aces") are much better, but for the german profiles they still let that "graphical quack doctor" M. Weal do the work. Yes I agree about "Tomahawk & Kitty aces..." very nice profiles, "Yak aces" are also fine....their value (Yak) is even higher because there is not much work on this subject around... or not enough.
I don't know what you resent about Weals work; is it incorrectness in details or...?

I haven't studied his work thoroughly, although I have fine number of the books with his profiles........

DKoor
08-27-2007, 10:39 AM
I just saw one of the newest titles: "Bristol Aces of ww1" and must say that this just may be one of the top 5 covers in the aces series....wow http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif very nice!

http://www.ospreypublishing.com/osp_img/titlecovers/T2016AL.JPG

I like the scheme on that bright yellow Dr.I http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
ww1 was in general much more interesting when those camo schemes are in question than ww2 or other wars - IMHO of course.

csThor
08-27-2007, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by DKoor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Profiles in other books ("Tomahawk & Kittyhawk aces of the RAF & the Commonwealth" or "Yak Aces") are much better, but for the german profiles they still let that "graphical quack doctor" M. Weal do the work. Yes I agree about "Tomahawk & Kitty aces..." very nice profiles, "Yak aces" are also fine....their value (Yak) is even higher because there is not much work on this subject around... or not enough.
I don't know what you resent about Weals work; is it incorrectness in details or...?

I haven't studied his work thoroughly, although I have fine number of the books with his profiles........ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The most glaring thing is "jumping right into the eye" while looking at them - the colours are pure phantasy mixed with color-blindness and a general lack of knowledge about german color regulations. That is the worst thing ...

On the other hand Osprey does have the nasty tendency not to scrutinize the information they transport. For example the volumes on LaGG/Lavotchkin, Yak and soviet Lend&Lease aces are dripping with stalinist distortions of history. When you read how many of these aces were wounded in combat and their planes set afire but still managed to down so aand so many Bf 109's one wonders why they bothered with crash-landing at all. I mean they had to be fireproof, hadn't they? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Or the glaring example of the claims by a certain "Arkadii Sukov" against JG 54. Some of these claims are so easy to uncover as exaggerations (or even lies) that it's not funny anymore:

a) May 22 1942: Sukov claimed to have shot down 47-victory ace Otto-Bruno Loerzer of II./JG 54. I cannot verify this claim as I have never heard of this man (who is supposed to be Generalfeldmarschall Loerzer's son). The Luftwaffe claim lists supplied by Tony Wood do not list his name at all.

b) August 9 1942: Sukov claimed to have killed 102-victory ace Max-Helmut Ostermann of 7./JG 54. It may be possible that Sukov's LaGG-3 was responsible, but I have also heard the version of Ostermann being killed by a P-40.

c) September 18 1942: Sukov claimed to have shot-down Herbert Findeisen who bailed out and became POW. Bull**** (with capital B) !!!! Findeisen was a recon pilot until well into 1944. He did not join JG 54 until then and lead II./JG 54 into british captivity. Remarkable career for a soviet POW from 1942.

d) November 11 1942: Sukov claimed to have shot down 54-victory ace Hans-Joachim Heyer. Again Bull**** (with capital B) !!!! Heyer was listed as MIA on November 9 1942 after a collision with either his wingman or his last victim (a Yak) near Gorodok.

e) December 17 1944: Sukov claimed to have shot down 52-victory ace Heinrich Wefers. I have not managed to find this name anywhere else, so either he does not exist or is misspelt. I cannot check anything.

f) January 3 1945: Sukov claimed to have shot down 76-victory ace Hans-Joachim Kroschinski. And again - you may guess .... Bull****. Heyer was badly wounded on December 21 1944 when his Fw 190 was badly hit by Pe-2 gunners over Libau. He lost his eyesight, a leg and suffered other grievous wounds so he could not have flown two weeks later ...

This is why I take Osprey books with more than a grain of salt. There is simply 1:1 copying from archives without even the intention of looking behind the figures to check whether they have any substance or not. And that applies to books on german aces as well - even though the "heroic stories" of the VVS aces are missing here. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

DKoor
08-27-2007, 11:47 AM
Thanks for the reply....that certainly sheds a new light over some things.
It's quite weird that some stuff went in so unchecked http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif bad

Deadmeat313
08-28-2007, 05:53 AM
Originally posted by Rammjaeger:
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x148/Rammjaeger1983/T177XAL.jpg


I always thought the paralax trees in IL-2 looked unrealistic at very low level, but on this cover we can see that they are accurate! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

The Russian bomber pilot can't see the trees because he's looking at them side on. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


T.


T.

DKoor
08-28-2007, 09:43 AM
rofl you got the point DM....well spot m8 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Rammjaeger
09-02-2007, 08:59 PM
Yet another funny book cover, courtesy of Squadron/Signal Publications:

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x148/Rammjaeger1983/F7F.jpg
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x148/Rammjaeger1983/7.jpg

Hmmm..."lopsided air combat"?

DKoor
09-02-2007, 09:57 PM
LoL I've read some stuff about those battles...apparently they had probs shooting down those Po-2s....especially once they have been detected.
I can imagine why http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

But yes....it's funny nevertheless - it's like fighting a 190 in Sopwith Camel, difference being you could actually won with Camel providing that the 190 guy gets a laugh seizure or something.

Vipez-
09-03-2007, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by Rammjaeger:
Yet another funny book cover, courtesy of Squadron/Signal Publications:

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x148/Rammjaeger1983/F7F.jpg
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x148/Rammjaeger1983/7.jpg

Hmmm..."lopsided air combat"?

Ah wish we had PO-2 as flyable. It's amazing that 1929 design (PO-2) can still competete against a 1944 plane (Tigercat) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif