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raaaid
05-23-2007, 04:09 AM
i dont think the spiral tracers are bullets that expell gases through a hole on a side

i would say they are eccentricc bullets banned by geneva

if this bullets are shot in vacuum theyll go straight but as the density of the fluid in which the bullet travels increases it makes a spiral of bigger radius

on this way when the density is maximum, when it hits the plane, it travels on a spiral of very big radius, imagine the damage

im even suspicious that the lack of info on this bullets is due to supressed science

BGs_Ricky
05-23-2007, 04:16 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Philipscdrw
05-23-2007, 04:41 AM
I think the bullet does more damage if it hits the structure in a straight line.

To make something move in a spiral there needs to be a force pushing it towards the centre of the spiral - because the bullet is spinning because of rifling it could be aerodynamic but that would just make the round tumble, not spiral.

BSS_Goat
05-23-2007, 04:55 AM

flakwagen
05-23-2007, 05:18 AM
aight line.

To make something move in a spiral there needs to be a force pushing it towards the centre of the spiral - because the bullet is spinning because of rifling it could be aerodynamic but that would just make the round tumble, not spiral.

The combustable material in a tracer doesn't burn evenly. So if the projectile spins- and all bullets do- you're bound to see a spiral pattern under the right conditions.

Breeze147
05-23-2007, 05:42 AM
I just ate a Double Mushroom Swiss Burger and fries from Checkers. Damn good burger. The fries, for once, were straight from the deep fryer and excellent. The Sprite, however, had a bit too much ice for my taste. Overall, a solid 9.0.

x6BL_Brando
05-23-2007, 05:56 AM
on this way when the density is maximum, when it hits the plane, it travels on a spiral of very big radius, imagine the damage

...and imagine the gunsight you'd need to target these eccentrically-spiralling rounds - unless you're trying to tell us that they are spiralling parallel to the trajectory (line) that the gunsight predicts? That would hardly be eccentric, would it?

And so, also, where do the non-tracer rounds go in this scenario? The point is, tracer is designed to be part of the aiming process. It's a visual aid to acquiring the target designed to show the accuracy of your bullet-stream and allow you to adjust that stream so that it intersects with your target, so there's not much point in having your tracer spiralling off eccentrically is there?

Tracer ammo is totally explained here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracer_ammunition)

No mention of Ming the Merciless homing in on Planet Earth yet - but who knows what next weeks episode will bring?

raaaid
05-23-2007, 06:02 AM
once i met this saxon lady to whom i asked the way to amsterdam she appeared really nice to me, i was thinking wow what a nice lady as i was going the opposite way to which she sent me

she smile to me as she intended to harm me

the same here, people intend to harm me but as i cant see your phony face i realize right the way of your intentions

well according the internet eccentric bullets dont exist

according to me i know of this bullets because i shot them, yes thats my conclusion from my dreams, i was there and im here now though many people would prefer i was not

Breeze147
05-23-2007, 06:25 AM
How do you know she was Saxon?

raaaid
05-23-2007, 06:40 AM
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e222/raaaid/spiral.jpg

notice the 10 cm radius of the spiral and that the smoke never reaches the center

i knew she was xaxon for the narrow forehead very blonde hair and blue eyes

notice im not racist

DKoor
05-23-2007, 06:47 AM
Using teh 109 in PTO is just wrong.

You don't have enough fuel to reach the next island and so on...... heck even a take off and on spin around the island is doubtful.

Yellonet
05-23-2007, 07:00 AM
Eccentric bullets aren't very good as they're less accurate and they use up a lot of energy going in spirals, thus have shorter range. And as planes aren't solid their effect might not be as dramatic as they would be in a human body for instance.

Philipscdrw
05-23-2007, 07:04 AM
Originally posted by raaaid:
notice the 10 cm radius of the spiral and that the smoke never reaches the center

i knew she was xaxon for the narrow forehead very blonde hair and blue eyes

notice im not racist even with saxons
That's a screenshot from Il-2, not real tracer-smoke...

Saying "I'm not racist, even with Saxons" is inherently racist though, like saying "I'm not sexist, not even against women".

raaaid
05-23-2007, 07:07 AM
yeah i just realized of that and deleted i apologize to any saxon

i just wanted indirectly to point out that racism works both ways

SlowBurn68
05-23-2007, 07:08 AM
I just thought the bullets were tumbling after encountering the friction of the atmosphere.

MEGILE
05-23-2007, 07:14 AM
Originally posted by raaaid:
once i met this saxon lady to whom i asked the way to amsterdam she appeared really nice to me, i was thinking wow what a nice lady as i was going the opposite way to which she sent me

she smile to me as she intended to harm me

the same here, people intend to harm me but as i cant see your phony face i realize right the way of your intentions

wow

just wow

FluffyDucks2
05-23-2007, 07:46 AM
This ones a keeper http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Breeze147
05-23-2007, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by raaaid:
yeah i just realized of that and deleted i apologize to any saxon

i just wanted indirectly to point out that racism works both ways

Whoa right there! You know me don't you, from another forum.

BaldieJr
05-23-2007, 08:45 AM
eccentricc bullets

I know about those. If you see a bullet stop for tea on its way to a target you've got eccentric bullets.

Werre_Fsck
05-23-2007, 11:09 AM
what happen? :-o

Daiichidoku
05-23-2007, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
I just ate a Double Mushroom Swiss Burger and fries from Checkers. Damn good burger. The fries, for once, were straight from the deep fryer and excellent. The Sprite, however, had a bit too much ice for my taste. Overall, a solid 9.0.

no checkers up ehre in kanada...or sonic...or white castle http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

LEBillfish
05-23-2007, 11:22 AM
raaaid we did the very same thread started by you once before.....Re-posting does not change the answers.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/6671037404/p/1

and another

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/862...=862109614#862109614 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/862109614?r=862109614#862109614)

Ruy Horta
05-23-2007, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by raaaid:
im even suspicious that the lack of info on this bullets is due to supressed science

You should blame ignorance, not suppression...

There is a LOT of material on the subject in general and even specific.

You could start for free by visiting and perhaps even contacting Anthony Williams, author, historian and specialist on WW2 (aviation) machine guns and cannons.

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/

His books Rapid Fire and Flying Guns World War II are very accessible.

There are also a number of other dedicated publications which cover Luftwaffe aerial guns and cannons.

And to boot, to those who have time, money and patience there are thousands of microfilm files and paper files that can be accessed at various archives.

Raaaid, you can lay this one to rest, there is no suppression...really there isn't http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

bun-bun195333
05-23-2007, 04:55 PM
When you enter a room do you ever worry about all the oxygen molecules congregating in one corner. You know, away from you - leaving you breathing nitrogen and carbon dioxide. And being worried about this happening, you would probably not notice when did happen. So there you are on the floor gasping while all the oxygen laughs from the far corner - hahahahahahahahaha. The last sound you'll ever hear; derision from an inorganic compound.

FluffyDucks2
05-23-2007, 05:22 PM
Wow! thats deep.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Cold Meat Platter
05-23-2007, 05:37 PM
being a pedant, i feel i must point out that oxygen is an element http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

bun-bun195333
05-23-2007, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by Cold Meat Platter:
being a pedant, i feel i must point out that oxygen is an element http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oxygen is an element, but the stuff we breathe is two little atoms of oxygen happily floating together - a molecule. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

WhtBoy
05-23-2007, 05:46 PM
You might even say it's a diatomic molecule.

--Outlaw.

Cold Meat Platter
05-23-2007, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by bun-bun195333:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cold Meat Platter:
being a pedant, i feel i must point out that oxygen is an element http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oxygen is an element, but the stuff we breathe is two little atoms of oxygen happily floating together - a molecule. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
aah yes but i was just saying it wasn't a compound.
edit: i meant to include a http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

bun-bun195333
05-23-2007, 05:56 PM
You win http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cold Meat Platter
05-23-2007, 06:02 PM
In this thread bun bun, i feel we are all winners.

LStarosta
05-23-2007, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
once i met this saxon lady to whom i asked the way to amsterdam she appeared really nice to me, i was thinking wow what a nice lady as i was going the opposite way to which she sent me

she smile to me as she intended to harm me

the same here, people intend to harm me but as i cant see your phony face i realize right the way of your intentions

wow

just wow </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Raaaid is one of those kids I would beat up in the 3rd grade and then really regret it 10 years later after I learned what mental ******ation was.

-HH- Beebop
05-23-2007, 06:52 PM
Eccentric bullets....stopping for tea....that's rich Baldie!

Golly, and all this time I thought I was looking at the effect of rifling/friction/phosphorous and the limitations of the graphics engine.

Thank god for a good education system eh?

Ruy Horta
05-24-2007, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
Raaaid is one of those kids I would beat up in the 3rd grade and then really regret it 10 years later after I learned what mental ******ation was.

Well at least you are capable of self reflection, perhaps indicating that you can have a relatively normal life.

Still that Bikini babe rocked, still wondering about that match up, best thing you ever produced!

raaaid
05-24-2007, 11:22 AM
i was the kind of kid who would beat up kids like you

since a kid i disliked so much bullies, they just dare to act when they are more numerous, alone are like little girls

TC_Stele
05-24-2007, 11:40 AM
My cat's breath smells like tuna.

http://simpsonovi.comics.cz/media/Obrazky/char/ralph.jpg

major_setback
05-24-2007, 11:42 AM
You see that kind of spiral smoke trail from cannon shell on several gun-cam films. I should think that it's the air around the shell that's spiralling (due to the shells spin) rather than the shell itself inscribing sauch a wide arc.

Breeze147
05-24-2007, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
once i met this saxon lady to whom i asked the way to amsterdam she appeared really nice to me, i was thinking wow what a nice lady as i was going the opposite way to which she sent me

she smile to me as she intended to harm me

the same here, people intend to harm me but as i cant see your phony face i realize right the way of your intentions

wow

just wow </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Raaaid is one of those kids I would beat up in the 3rd grade and then really regret it 10 years later after I learned what mental ******ation was. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would beat him up again for making me feel guilty.

LStarosta
05-24-2007, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by raaaid:
i was the kind of kid who would beat up kids like you

since a kid i disliked so much bullies, they just dare to act when they are more numerous, alone are like little girls

Ehhh, don't think so, Margaret.

raaaid
05-24-2007, 04:03 PM
luke when the world gets freed youll mop the floors for the rest of your life if you are not doing it now

thats what people like you deserve and that is what i expect because god is joust

by the way im 193cm tall and 150 kg of pure muscle i know how bullies by themselves alone crub in their pants

as a show here bullies always in groups

LStarosta
05-24-2007, 04:18 PM
LoL, okay. http://forums.ytmnsfw.com/images/smilies/*******.gif

MEGILE
05-24-2007, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by raaaid:
luke when the world gets freed youll mop the floors for the rest of your life if you are not doing it now

thats what people like you deserve and that is what i expect because god is joust

by the way im 193cm tall and 150 kg of pure muscle i know how bullies by themselves alone crub in their pants

as a show here bullies always in groups

Raaaaid when you talk like this.. I loose all sympathy for your condition.

God aint just btw... my football team never wins the league.

LStarosta
05-24-2007, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
luke when the world gets freed youll mop the floors for the rest of your life if you are not doing it now

thats what people like you deserve and that is what i expect because god is joust

by the way im 193cm tall and 150 kg of pure muscle i know how bullies by themselves alone crub in their pants

as a show here bullies always in groups

Raaaaid when you talk like this.. I loose all sympathy for your condition.

God aint just btw... my football team never wins the league. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed. The Red Wings didn't win the Stanley Cup this year and I'm short some money. God fixes a lot of sports.