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cawimmer430
11-04-2005, 10:55 AM
I just spotted this on http://www.luft46.com. These two have to be my favorite "never-made" planes! I wish someone would make them for a next version of IL-2!

The Daimler-Benz J├┬Ąger looks so badass! Don't even get me started on the Junkers! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Daimler-Benz J├┬Ąger
http://www.luft46.com/mrart/mrdbj-3.jpg
http://www.luft46.com/mrart/mrdbj-2.jpg

This Daimler Benz aircraft project was basically designed around an engine that was being developed at that time. The Daimler Benz J├┬Ąger (not its official name) was of a conventional layout with the exception of the propellers location. The engine was mounted in the fuselage nose, with an annular radiator in front. The wings were unswept and exhibited no dihedral and were mounted below the fuselage. The tail was of a conventional design, with its single fin and rudder. Because of the propellers arrangement, a tricycle landing gear had to be used. A single pilot sat in the cockpit that was located towards the rear, just ahead of the contrarotating propellers.
Where the Daimler Benz J├┬Ąger differed from most aircraft was its unusual propeller placement. The Daimler Benz DB 609 development began in September 1942, and it was to be an in-line, 16 cylinder injection-type aircraft engine. It was to develop 2700 horsepower, although this could be increased in later version to 3400 horsepower. Allowance was made for fitting a four-stage supercharger, and with its inverted V design, the DB 609 would have been ideal for a large caliber cannon installation, such as the MK 103, MK 108 or MK 212 cannons.
Although a mockup of the forward fuselage was built (as far back as the propeller location), and because of this engine's long development time (actual delivery wasn't schduled to begin until April 1947), the RLM cancelled its development in May 1943. And, along with the DB 609 cancellation, so went the Daimler Benz J├┬Ąger project.

Junkers EF-112
http://www.luft46.com/gmart/gmj12-2.jpg
http://www.luft46.com/gmart/gmj12-9.jpg

This design for a ground-attack aircraft was submitted to the RLM by Junkers in December 1942. The wings had a straight leading edge and the short fuselage was mounted high on top of the wing. Power was supplied by two Daimler Benz DB 603G piston engines (each developing 1460 horsepower). One engine was mounted in the nose pulling and one was mounted in the fuselage tail pushing, this had the advantage of providing the power of two engines but lowering drag by putting the engines in-line. An internal bomb bay beneath the cockpit could hold a single 500 kg (1102 lbs) bomb
There were two booms which attached to the bottom of the wing surfaces, they extended to the rear and contained the vertical tail assembly. A horizontal tail connected the booms at the rear. The main landing gear were located in the booms and retracted to the rear. The pilot sat in a cockpit located above the wing leading edge under a cnopy that would have provided good vision all around. Armament consisted of two MK 103 30 mm cannon with an option to carry four R 100 Bordraketen air-to-air rockets.
The RLM showed no interest in the Junkers Ju EF112 and rejected the project.

JG52Karaya-X
11-04-2005, 12:43 PM
that EF-112 looks like an ├╝berized Fokker G1 twin boom fighter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

I wouldn't call the Daimler Benz J├┬Ąger good looking but it's pretty interesting with the contra-rotating props in the fuselage http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

But I guess any work put into one of these would be better spent with some heavy-duty, combat proven planes such as the usual Bf109, FW190, He111, some Do17s/217, Ju88 and 188, Ju87, Bf110, Me210C(a)/410, Me262, etc...

Zyzbot
11-04-2005, 01:02 PM
The pilot would have needed an ejection seat to avoid being sliced and diced!

F19_Olli72
11-04-2005, 02:26 PM
But why restrict yourself to fantasyplanes when real stuff rocks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
http://www.geocities.com/unicraftmodels/on/ant23/ant23box.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/unicraftmodels/on/ant23/ant23dr.jpg

dugong
11-04-2005, 07:29 PM
That thing got a hemi ?

WTE_Ibis
11-05-2005, 02:31 AM
Bail out maybe a problem. Ouch! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Vuco1
11-05-2005, 04:57 AM
On http://x-plane.org/ A proposal to build any of these airplanes is standing for maybe years and nothing has been made yet, simply everyone would like to fly them but no one would like to build them. And that is four Xplane where aircraft building is farley easy. (for someone who worked on 3d modeling)
Interesting thing is that if they get implemented in Xplane the real data on their flight performance could be gained because of Xplane specific physical sistem.

cawimmer430
11-06-2005, 07:32 AM
Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
that EF-112 looks like an ├╝berized Fokker G1 twin boom fighter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

I wouldn't call the Daimler Benz J├┬Ąger good looking but it's pretty interesting with the contra-rotating props in the fuselage http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

But I guess any work put into one of these would be better spent with some heavy-duty, combat proven planes such as the usual Bf109, FW190, He111, some Do17s/217, Ju88 and 188, Ju87, Bf110, Me210C(a)/410, Me262, etc...

The Junkers has an interesting design IMO. Looks pretty badass. So does the DB Jaeger IMO. But you're right, these planes would have probably been problematic in comparison to proven planes like the BF-109s and the FW-190s.

Still wish someone could make them for IL-2 just for funs sake. The Go-229 never flew and yet it is in the AEP. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

cawimmer430
11-06-2005, 07:33 AM
Originally posted by Zyzbot:
The pilot would have needed an ejection seat to avoid being sliced and diced!

I think it mentioned somewhere on that site that the proppellers could be blown off through a small explosion...or maybe I'm confusing this plane with the Dornier 335. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

cawimmer430
11-06-2005, 07:34 AM
Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
But why restrict yourself to fantasyplanes when real stuff rocks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
http://www.geocities.com/unicraftmodels/on/ant23/ant23box.jpg

****! That looks very similar to the Junkers EF-112! Now I wonder who copied whom!? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

cawimmer430
11-06-2005, 07:39 AM
Originally posted by dugong:
That thing got a hemi ?

Nah, Chrysler wasn't merged with Daimler-Benz yet, so both planes have a Mercedes engine. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

cawimmer430
11-06-2005, 07:40 AM
Originally posted by WTE_Ibis:
Bail out maybe a problem. Ouch! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

"Slice and dice"... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

cawimmer430
11-06-2005, 07:41 AM
Originally posted by Vuco1:
On http://x-plane.org/ A proposal to build any of these airplanes is standing for maybe years and nothing has been made yet, simply everyone would like to fly them but no one would like to build them. And that is four Xplane where aircraft building is farley easy. (for someone who worked on 3d modeling)
Interesting thing is that if they get implemented in Xplane the real data on their flight performance could be gained because of Xplane specific physical sistem.

With modern computer systems, we should be able to give an accurate picture of how these planes would have flown. This would have been great for the IL-2 community. I would have loved to try the Junkers EF-112 and that badass DB Jaeger!