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Ernst_Rohr
03-09-2006, 01:46 PM
Wow! What a difference!

I have seen folks making cracks about TrackIR being an "acemaker", and now I understand. It definately cranks the immersion up 100%, and if your flying pit only, I dont see how you could fly without it.

Awesome product, I have been amazed at the difference it has made in my flying so far.

If you DONT have this thing yet, get it, its well worth the cash you lay out.

BaldieJr
03-09-2006, 01:47 PM
yeah but dont put the dot on your head it'll attract your eyes to it and you'll end up cross-eyed.

danjama
03-09-2006, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by BaldieJr:
yeah but dont put the dot on your head it'll attract your eyes to it and you'll end up cross-eyed.

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Ernst_Rohr
03-09-2006, 02:05 PM
yeah but dont put the dot on your head it'll attract your eyes to it and you'll end up cross-eyed.

Safe on that one, Im sticking with the track bar clipped to the visor of a ballcap. Works great!

Only downside so far is im out of USB 2.0 ports on my PC, so I have to juggle. Looks like its time for a USB add on card.....

But, the system makes a huge difference. Dogfighting A6M's in a P-39 isnt as suicidal as it used to be, now if they just fixed the dive FM on the Zero.....

danjama
03-09-2006, 03:15 PM
I think you should send it to me so i can test it, it may be rigged with a bomb!!!1! Seriously.

When shall i expect it?

Ernst_Rohr
03-09-2006, 03:29 PM
I think you should send it to me so i can test it, it may be rigged with a bomb!!!1! Seriously.

When shall i expect it?


Hmm, I dont think its quite cold enough in a certain southern locale (not not Australia.. well maybe) just quite yet. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Now that I have this little gizmo (and it is pretty small, which surprised me), I can see turning it lose.

badaboom.1
03-09-2006, 04:20 PM
I'm seriously thinking about taking the plunge myself!!How much did it set you back $[if i my ?]....do you feel stupid when someone else other than your family see you with that thing on your head? .....I only ask because I can see my daughter and her friends laughing histericly at me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif....I know i'm so vain!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Zatochi2005
03-09-2006, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by badaboom.1:
I'm seriously thinking about taking the plunge myself!!How much did it set you back $[if i my ?]....do you feel stupid when someone else other than your family see you with that thing on your head? .....I only ask because I can see my daughter and her friends laughing histericly at me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif....I know i'm so vain!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Do it! You will not regret it. I contemplated buying for about 3 weeks before I finally went ahead and ordered it. I got the TrackIR 3 Pro with the Vector Expansion for a little over $150 US. One of the best investments I've made for flying. Now instead of looking where my plane is pointed, I'm looking where I want my plane to go. Definitely raises the immersion factor.

F19_Orheim
03-09-2006, 04:31 PM
People I know constantly makes fun of me. First it was when I had the TIR1 and it's dot on the forhead.... I thought the ball cap with my new TIR4 would make a difference..... quite the opposite.. but you know what??? I don't give a s***!

badaboom.1
03-09-2006, 05:17 PM
.....HAaaahaaaaa!!!!!! Man now that's some confidence F19 Orheim!!!!!I love it!!!!I have very seldom heard a negative reaction to Track IR,and I think the $ isn't to bad for a hobby we all love!.....Zatochi2005 thank you for the reply[and info],yeah I bet the immersion factor goes way up when your not constantly useing your hat switch to look around!....Did it take alot to get used to?

Treetop64
03-09-2006, 05:55 PM
OK. That's it. I'm getting mine.

I've just spent a small fortune building a new rig (I still can't get enough of her) and I never bothered to get a TrackIR.

Jeesh! I also have FS9 and GTR, and both of those support TIR.

I've contemplated this for literally months, and I'm tired of hearing hundereds of you blokes describe what a life-altering experience TrackIR induces!

Credit card is now in hand. But first; let's go to Fry's and see if they have it in stock...

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Zatochi2005
03-09-2006, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by badaboom.1:
.....HAaaahaaaaa!!!!!! Man now that's some confidence F19 Orheim!!!!!I love it!!!!I have very seldom heard a negative reaction to Track IR,and I think the $ isn't to bad for a hobby we all love!.....Zatochi2005 thank you for the reply[and info],yeah I bet the immersion factor goes way up when your not constantly useing your hat switch to look around!....Did it take alot to get used to?

It took me a couple of days to get the settings just right for me but after that, I couldn't imagine flying without it.
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tonyt1960
03-09-2006, 06:29 PM
TrackIR 3 Pro - 106 includes shipping
http://cgi.ebay.com/TrackIR-3-Pro-Optical-Head-Tracking...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/TrackIR-3-Pro-Optical-Head-Tracking-Device_W0QQitemZ8259043202QQcategoryZ3606QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

TrackIR 4 Pro - 166 includes shipping
http://cgi.ebay.com/TrackIR-4-Pro-Premium-Optical-Head-...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/TrackIR-4-Pro-Premium-Optical-Head-Tracker_W0QQitemZ8261769270QQcategoryZ3606QQssPage NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Hunter82
03-09-2006, 06:38 PM
Psst TRack IR 4 with shipping 159.99 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://www.magnum-pc.com/_e/loc/product/TIR4/Track_IR_4_Pro.htm



Originally posted by tonyt1960:
TrackIR 3 Pro - 106 includes shipping
http://cgi.ebay.com/TrackIR-3-Pro-Optical-Head-Tracking...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/TrackIR-3-Pro-Optical-Head-Tracking-Device_W0QQitemZ8259043202QQcategoryZ3606QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

TrackIR 4 Pro - 166 includes shipping
http://cgi.ebay.com/TrackIR-4-Pro-Premium-Optical-Head-...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/TrackIR-4-Pro-Premium-Optical-Head-Tracker_W0QQitemZ8261769270QQcategoryZ3606QQssPage NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

BM357_TinMan
03-09-2006, 08:00 PM
I feel duty bound to get the stick out and commence to smacking that ol' dead horse yet again.

6dof

Ernst_Rohr
03-09-2006, 08:07 PM
Mine ran right at $160, plus shipping, right at $170.

Im still amazed at what a difference it makes. I can finally SEE out of the damn 109!

Particulary since 4.04, the TrackIR has made a huge difference. When the Zeros start their air ballet, I can acutally follow them visually in my P-39. Makes a world of difference.

The TrackIR was the last thing that was holding me back from pit only flying, I am glad I dropped the cash for this thing.

horseback
03-09-2006, 08:27 PM
A little suggestion, Ernst. Instead of popping for a USB card, a powered USB 2.0 four port hub might be a bit less expensive-I ran my three CH contorllers off one hub for a couple of years without a glitch that way.

And uh, Treetop-Frys doesn't carry TrackIR--you gotta get it directly from them online if you're in CONUS.

cheers

horseback

M2morris
03-09-2006, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by Ernst_Rohr:
Wow! What a difference!


Awesome product, I have been amazed at the difference it has made in my flying so far.

If you DONT have this thing yet, get it, its well worth the cash you lay out.

So can you look down at your instruments and see them clearly? I really need to see my ASI, compass, ALT etc. Is it smooth when you look around? or is it affected by video settings and get twitchy. I'm just curious for now, but it sounds like the way to go.

ATLAS_DEATH
03-09-2006, 08:53 PM
If you're comp runs the game slow and choppy already, the TIR will look around choppy... If your game as it is now runs smooth.. then movement with the TIR is very smooth. You can make small movements around the cockpit.. zooming in on guages easily and moving about looking at other.. look out the windows.. all that stuff... Get it now!

M2morris
03-09-2006, 10:28 PM
Ok Atlas, I think I might just go ahead and get it. But if it causes my divorce, I will just blame all of you guys here, cry in my beer, and fly til I die in IL2. I feel ilke a junkie: Janes WW2 Fighters was my marajawanna, now I'm into the harder stuff. You are a rough crowd.

M2morris
03-09-2006, 11:29 PM
I just flew a Spit over the French coast against a couple FW190-A6 Aces AI with half fuel and I put a wuppin on em, splashed em both, took a couple tries, but I got them. And.. I found that if I keep an old stinky tuna-fish sandwich under each arm when I fly; my family leeves me alone.

F19_Orheim
03-10-2006, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by badaboom.1:
....Did it take alot to get used to?
well it took a week maybe with the old TIR1... I guess the new versions are a lot easier, it very rarely loose center. Now you have to be sure about one thing.. you WILL get motionsick the first couple of times, especially if you use a very sensetive profile... but it will pass.
As many has said before, flying without it for me is now out of the question. However, I do try NOT to fly those sims with 6DOF because I am sure that will just frustrate me when back in il2.. where only 2DOF is available..

I do look forward to flying "Knights of the sky" though... as far as I know it this WILL support 6DOF, which is excellent considering all the wires and struts and stuff on WWI planes....

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knightflyte
03-10-2006, 02:02 AM
I've been flying MSFS9. It does have virtual cockpits, and I must say it is cool leaning forward and watching the control wheel move backward so you can see over it to look at the guages.

6DOF is an immersive addition to the Track IR software, and I can't wait for Oleg's BoB to be released.

I can't speak highly enough about Track IR, and Natural Point. I'm glad you're liking it too.

Immermann
03-10-2006, 02:54 AM
To get the most out of it I'd recommend downloading and trying out some of the profiles from Naturalpoints home page. It's always easier to tweak a profile than to make one from scratch.
And it is like Orheim said, the first times you try it you really wonder what the **** you've boughthttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
But with a good profile (as I wrote in a different thread I think...) it just 'fits'. There's really no going back.

Sturm_Williger
03-10-2006, 04:55 AM
I'd love to know - who will own up ...

How many of you discovered after installing TIR for the first time, that you jerked/flinched your head when firing ?

weeber24
03-10-2006, 06:27 AM
Sturm_Williger,

When I first got track-ir, I found that I flinched my head quite a bit when I fired. Before that, I had no idea, and it took me a couple weeks to force myself to stop doing it.

Oh, I also got a little motion sick the first week or so, but the poster above is right it will eventually pass.

Sturm_Williger
03-10-2006, 07:33 AM
Yep, most people seem to do that - I too had no idea until I moved to TIR.

A friend of mine has discovered that he not only "leans" with his banks, but that full-body flinch helps him avoid the ground ! Doesn't do much for his view though, but I attest that he can WILL himself away from the earth http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Honestly, the number of times "he's going in" ... and he DOESN'T http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

blackpulpit1970
03-10-2006, 08:14 AM
When i used to put the dot on my nose (before i got the vector)i once went to the grocery store and some old lady asked me what is that on your nose did you have a cut or something, i reached up and pulled the dot of my nose, forgetting i had the dam thing on my nose, o well its worth it for sure.

CRSutton
03-10-2006, 08:27 AM
Is there a significant enough difference between IR4 vs IR3 to warrent the extra 60 bucks?

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-10-2006, 08:39 AM
Welcome to the promised land Ernst. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Treetop, you will NOT regret it, just remember to give yourself more time than you think to get completely used to it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Horseback makes an excellent suggestion in the powered hub. i have a powered 7 port hub with only 1 port left and it doesn't suck any juice from the mobo. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


TB

Ernst_Rohr
03-10-2006, 08:45 AM
I dont know about the difference with IR3 adn IR4, I bought 4 having never used any of the TrackIR products. All I can say is that it really does make a huge difference.

I rarely have to touch my keyboard now, and with the TrackIR system, I got to free up all the views bound to my hat switches and bind other keyst to them. Makes a massive difference.

I have seen several folks claim that TrackIR is an instant "acemaker", and its not much of and exaggeration. The combination of being able to see and track planes and maintain a sense of postion of the nose makes a tremendous difference in the sim. Instead of having to use a padlock view (which I hated since it usually disoriented me) you can naturally track aircraft by following them with your eyes. I cant emphasize how much a difference this makes.

I have a fairly beefy PC, so other than the occassional stop-pause, the panning is smooth and actualy quite fast in most cases. It does definately take some getting used to the first few times you fly with it. The only issue I have noticed so far is that while tracking in a tight turning fight, I will have to flick my head to the left or right to get the view centered back on the sight at times.

Ernst_Rohr
03-10-2006, 08:47 AM
well it took a week maybe with the old TIR1... I guess the new versions are a lot easier, it very rarely loose center. Now you have to be sure about one thing.. you WILL get motionsick the first couple of times, especially if you use a very sensetive profile... but it will pass.
As many has said before, flying without it for me is now out of the question. However, I do try NOT to fly those sims with 6DOF because I am sure that will just frustrate me when back in il2.. where only 2DOF is available..

I do look forward to flying "Knights of the sky" though... as far as I know it this WILL support 6DOF, which is excellent considering all the wires and struts and stuff on WWI planes....

I am really looking forward to this one as well, I am a diehard WWI flight sim junkie. I STILL have RB3D on my hard drive. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Plus, 6DOF will make some planes (like the Spad) a heck of a lot easier to see out of.

Thanks for the suggestion for the powered hub, I m going to give that a shot. I have an entire week of vacation next week, and Im looking forward to all the aerial carnage! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SweetMonkeyLuv
03-10-2006, 09:22 AM
My SA about doubled the day I got my TIR 3. I can't really imagine how I coped without.

Question...As I said, I have a TIR3. I also have a nasty case of the "leans" when I fly, and while having the TIR has helped me to curb the habit, it really hasn't stopped it. Sometimes, I lean so much that I get myself out of the camera's viewing angle, which really sucks.

I understand the TIR 4 has a wider field of vision, and I've been considering upgrading to it. Anyone go through a TIR 3 -> TIR 4 upgrade and report improvements in this area? I'd hate to part with my current one since its been so great for me, but a wider field of view may really help me.

Anyone wanna buy a used-but-mint-condition TIR 3 Pro with VE expansion? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

eskimo-again
03-10-2006, 09:53 AM
i dont like trackir. i used it at a mates place and it is just too confusing.
you move your head yet not your eyes. it feels unnatural somehow.

i wish there was a decent helmet sort of virtual reality thing.

SweetMonkeyLuv
03-10-2006, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by eskimo-again:
i dont like trackir. i used it at a mates place and it is just too confusing.
you move your head yet not your eyes. it feels unnatural somehow.

i wish there was a decent helmet sort of virtual reality thing.

There's definitely some adjustment needed. When mine showed up on my doorstep and I got it set up, the first like 2-3 hours I was thinking "I just flushed over 100 dollars down the toilet". I was good at using the snap views with my hat switches, sucked with the track IR, my neck was sore, and my SA sucked.

By about hour 4 or 5 (and some profile tweaking), I was better with it than I had been previously, and it just felt natural.

eskimo-again
03-10-2006, 10:12 AM
if i run past a cheap offer i might just buy it. i have to admit that alcohol might have skewed my opinion of trackir.

currently i use newview on the hat switch plus a button to center and a button to zoom out full.
it works great. snap or pan was never for me.

Ernst_Rohr
03-10-2006, 10:13 AM
I didnt have any problems with the TrackIR system at all, far from it actually. I didnt have any motion sickness problems, actually I found the TrackIR a LOT less disorenting that flicking through multiple views and definately a lot less annoying than padlock views.

I do have to watch a tendency to lean into the sim a little to much, but it hasnt been much of an issue other than occassionally losing downward view angles once in a while.

eskimo-again
03-10-2006, 10:16 AM
i m not bagging trackir. i m probably just scared of my wife loosing the last bit of respect for me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

the looks i got for the x52 ... i guess i need to develop some backbone and buy pedals and trackir http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

edit: one question though. i have a dual screen setup and often read chat or websites on the second monitor (unable to make reasonable use of it in il2. if any recommendations or ideas how to maybe display instruments on the second screen please say so)
wouldnt that throw my center off big time on the actual il2 cockpit screen ? i already see my self flying with constant view out the right window

Ernst_Rohr
03-10-2006, 10:21 AM
i m not bagging trackir. i m probably just scared of my wife loosing the last bit of respect for me Smile

the looks i got for the x52 ... i guess i need to develop some backbone and buy pedals and trackir Big Grin

Lol, I understand completely. I have the tracker mounted on the brim of a baseball cap, and when my sister came buy yesterday, she thought it was absolutely hysterically stupid looking.

If they wife gives you grief over the TrackIR, just point out that its cheaper than a pair of her shoes, and ask her how many pairs of those does she have! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif (used that arguement with an ex-gf, shut her right down quick!)

T_O_A_D
03-10-2006, 10:21 AM
Welcome to the club http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

bluedragon1950
03-10-2006, 11:21 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Ok Atlas, I think I might just go ahead and get it. But if it causes my divorce, I will just blame all of you guys here, cry in my beer, and fly til I die in IL2. I feel ilke a junkie: Janes WW2 Fighters was my marajawanna, now I'm into the harder stuff. You are a rough crowd.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Dying in IL2 won't be complete till your coffin is a spitfire (with some bullet holes on it)

M2morris
03-10-2006, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by bluedragon1950:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Ok Atlas, I think I might just go ahead and get it. But if it causes my divorce, I will just blame all of you guys here, cry in my beer, and fly til I die in IL2. I feel ilke a junkie: Janes WW2 Fighters was my marajawanna, now I'm into the harder stuff. You are a rough crowd.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Dying in IL2 won't be complete till your coffin is a spitfire (with some bullet holes on it)
I might die with real bullet holes in me if Uncle Sam calls me back to active duty for the next war. Hope not.

BM357_TinMan
03-11-2006, 10:26 AM
As far as "flinching" and leaning and stuff is concerned, even though this does NOT support 6dof, the 6dof feature DOES help alot in this sim. When you have the vector expansion, you can lean and move quite a bit with out it affecting your POV in the sim.

And as for the guy that said that, with trackIR, you look by moving your head and not your eyes so it felt unnatural to him. I have to disagree. When I was using the mouse, I moved my in game head A LOT more than when I use trackIR. I scan the screen much more with my eyes now than I ever did before I got trackIR.

DocD1960
03-11-2006, 05:00 PM
Question for those with Track IR 4 Pro: there's not enough room on top of my monitor to mount it there, can I put it on the bottom of a shelf that is just above my monitor? There's only about 1-1.5 inches of clearance between the top of the monitor and the bottom of the shelf (it's a hutch on top of the puter desk).
Thanks.

knightflyte
03-11-2006, 07:55 PM
Doc

The footprint of the Track IR 4 is pretty small. If perchance you are worrid because you have an LCD screen then the TIR4's base can convert to a clip on typre devise.


As far as Track IR 3 verses Track IR 4....TIR4 HAS 6DOF already included with the devise. TIR3 it ia an add on option....I think the 6DOF/Vector expansion is a $29.00 (US) option.

If you fly MSFS 6DOF/VE is amazing. Adds another dimention to FS9. Need to look at your altimiter? Lean in closer.... closer still. You can watch your yoke come closer to your chest untill you can literally see OVER it.

If you Race Sim then the ability to look to the APEX of a corner really helps.

I'm not knocking IL2.... but I really wish 6DOF could be managed. I hate not being able to look around the pillars of my BF 109, or FW 190. Being able to do that in MSFS has spoiled me.

Track IR 6 DOFis also supported in MSCFS....Well forget MSCFS, BUT if you D/L the Flanders Field add on I think you'll get a kick out of WWI air combat.

DocD1960
03-11-2006, 08:33 PM
Thanks for the reply. I suppose the unit can be mounted upside down then, like a bat hanging from a limb? Does the Track IR work for both in and out of cockpit viewing? Sorry to be a bother but I may have talked my wife into this for my birthday present, lol.
Thanks again.
-Doc

knightflyte
03-11-2006, 11:40 PM
It's better in the cockpit. I use the F9 button to disable it if I need to look around outside the cockpit and use the mouse. YOU CAN use Track IR to look around, but I wouldn't recommend flying outside with it.

When you look left you'll see the right side of your plane and vise versa. When you look down you see the top of your plane. So you CAN use it to spot the enemy if you need to it just feels a bit wierd.

I originally had Track IR 1. When I got the Track IR 4 I was really amazed how much smaller it was. I thought they forgot part of it. LOL

Another benifit of 4 verses the other Track IR versions. I can have this set back FARTHER if I need to. My old one wasliterally a foot away with my visor on. Now it sits about 3 feet away quite effectively...... (And FARTHER than that when I race with peddles and wheel.)

So when's your Birthday.....(how long do you need to wait?)

partic_3
03-11-2006, 11:54 PM
Well, I hope you're all satisfied. After reading this umpteenth thread on how good Track IR is I've just ordered it. Consequences, people, consequences!
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knightflyte
03-11-2006, 11:58 PM
My Track Ir sits atop my monitor like the black monolith from 2001 Space Oddessy. It's all powerful...It beckons me to fly...... 'my god it's full of stars'...

DocD1960
03-12-2006, 12:37 AM
Birthday is not until the end of the month, 28th, but she said to go ahead and order it now. Just trying to figure out how I could mount it. The space between the top of the monitor and the shelf above it is pretty small, that's why I asked could it be mounted to the bottom of the shelf and hang upside down. Confusing huh? LOL. Thanks again for the replies.

knightflyte
03-12-2006, 01:33 AM
I just measured the Track IR 4.
It's 1.75 inches tall.
I'm not sure how long the USB wire is, but I'd think at least 6 to 8 feet.


If you need to place it somewhere upside down TIR has a software option you can tick so it will reverse directions. (I've never had to try it so I can't say how well it works)

EURO_Snoopy
03-12-2006, 01:39 AM
Just in case some of you are still unconvinced here's a TrackIR4 Review (http://www.airwarfare.com/AWX/features/reviews/trackir4_review.htm)

AWL_Spinner
03-12-2006, 03:31 AM
As an "early-adopter" I still have a Track IR version 1, and it's still working just fine. When/if it breaks, or I have a major system upgrade, I'll go for a new 6dof one.

There's nothing more irritating than loading up PF, joining a server, then realising you forget to turn the Track IR on and having to start all over. Absolutely can't fly without it!

As for looking like a lunatic - if you don't have a vector one, and already use a headset for voice comms, just add the reflectors to the end of the microphone. Works just fine and doesn't "add" anything to your existing paraphenalia!

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El Turo
03-12-2006, 09:49 AM
GOT TRIM? (http://ontr.textamerica.com/?r=2413675)