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GAU-8
01-26-2005, 12:17 AM
i dont know if many of you saw my last posting in the "upping fear in WARCLOUDS" thread, but it regarded where the server itself is probably as good as can be.... the downfall is those not using the supplied COMMS with WARCLOUDS

COMMS is much faster, and easier than using text. so many times you TEXT a response, the situation is over, or nobody really knows who your talking to. COMMS on the other hand CAN get cluttered but its the single most important TEAMPLAY interaction out there that we have..

too many times ive seen a map start, with almost no one on comms, and the airfields are a WRECK, with everyone taking off at once in GOD knows what direction. on the other hand, ive seen it packed full of people, SERVER and COMMS, know what ive noticed, those on comms INTERACT on whos going first, who is where, and many times we have "aerial traffic control" ive done this numerous times... you look out window, and you see the fellows not on comms, buzzing about (usually, but not always) with no regard for the grouping aircraft.

maybe some COMMS MODS?

anyways, here were some said thoughts...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GAU-8:
by far, the biggest help in getting teamplay, cohesion, and tactical advantage ..

...IS WARCLOUDS COMMS.

when i get into a new map with 10 or more guys on comms, everybody does thier part to have an effective (read no accidents) aircraft taxi/take off.

in the air, tactical advantage is a bit more profficient when the mojority of players are on WC comms.

bar none, this is the BIGGEST form of "GLUE" holding teams, and the game together.

when im on WC comms, i dont have a "kill stealer" situations IF that pilot is on COMMS as well. because of comms, all intentions of my teamates can be stated. i know his intentions, what mine are, and we work together to get the kill. this DOES NOT HAPPEN without comms. all the "texters " without comms say "!! did you see that! he stole my kill!"

personally, i feel that if you ARE NOT at least listening to comms, you (probably)shouldnt be in game.

i also feel that squads should use the WC comms at all times in WARCLOUDS as well. WC COMMS is the biggest part of WARCLOUDS, and it is the least controlled environment, clean that up and it will be more immersive.

(not that i am saying its rowdy in there by any means, but even if there were select mods, to say "XXXX-XX please join comms if you would like to stay in WARCLOUDS participation." or even just to say "lets keep chat WC orientated" if chatter starts to drift.

not everyone has a mic, i understand, but TEAMSPEAK works for almost anyone. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Diablo310th:
I agree with Gau about comms. I have made some great friends due to WC comms. And you don't see the kill stealing with those of us on comms. Most of teh teamwork on Red takes place with those of us on comms. If everyone would ad least listen in to comms it would benefit the whole mission. Comms are teh answer. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Petey78:
I was on WC tonight and decided to fly my bomb and rocket laden P47 behind my lines and up to the fighter base with the hope of picking up an escort to cover my @ss while I went ground pounding. As I approached I saw three Spitfires take off and begin to form up so I texted them and asked them if they'd fly top cover. Guess what, not one of them replied, I wouldn't have minded if they'd just said no, I'd identified myself, said where I was (they could see me clearly) and politely asked them to help. Nada. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Megile:
Comms are great.. just ignore the very occasional whines about aircraft performance.
They are the reason I don't got on WC comms anymore... after a team mate gave the channel a 10 minute lecture on how the Spitfire IXe was generously modelled. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Not what I want to listen to when I'm in the middle of a furball. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

and i feel the same way (although ive done it too) i think if comms to game action was moderated, it would help. yes a wuick little funny here or there is ok, but hearing about papsmears, diapers, whats growing in your fridge, whats overmodeled, whats undermodeled, for several minutes should be cut.

FI.Snaphoo
01-26-2005, 12:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>not everyone has a mic, i understand, but TEAMSPEAK works for almost anyone. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

True, not everyone has a mic, but most have speakers. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I happen to have both, and from my experience, I don't usually say much. But it is nice to know where everyone is, or when someone is in trouble, to be able to respond in a fashion that is genuinly helpful. Some of the "banter" can be trying at times, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif but for the most part, everything is cool, and informative on comms. Even if I don't say anything at all the entire time I am flying at WC, I feel like I'm a part of the action, because I'm fully informed on the whereabouts, and movement of the opponent at the time.

And I'm frequently updated on the latest uber, and overmodelled plane! So that's a bonus. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It is really fun to be on comms, all joking aside.

GAU-8
01-26-2005, 12:40 AM
and thats the thing, even if you can just HEAR whats going on, your reply might be a little slow (text), but at least YOU kKNOW whats going on and what the group is doing. and WE know that your able to hear a "snaphoo!!! break break break!"... rather than seeing "66666666666" flash across the screen at the cost of being usually too late.

IM not saying "NOBODY NOT ON COMMS CAN PLAY HERE". but if we abide by server rules (or get an ousting if not) couldnt there be the almost/same mentality for comms particiaption, while being in WARCLOUDS?

rssmps
01-26-2005, 01:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Petey78:
I was on WC tonight and decided to fly my bomb and rocket laden P47 behind my lines and up to the fighter base with the hope of picking up an escort to cover my @ss while I went ground pounding. As I approached I saw three Spitfires take off and begin to form up so I texted them and asked them if they'd fly top cover. Guess what, not one of them replied, I wouldn't have minded if they'd just said no, I'd identified myself, said where I was (they could see me clearly) and politely asked them to help. Nada. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
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Hope petey78 will see this....

Don't know the exact situation but are you assuming that they EVEN understand english? I know quite a few people that go on WC but are not able to read engilsh.

Some of you may have noticed boxes in place of names when looking at the player list. This is because there is an software out there that allows chinese text input.

So this could be a possible reason why you got no response.

tora-2
01-26-2005, 01:52 AM
Have to admit I'd like to make a personal plea for people to balance out comms and ideally demonstrate their use.
Unless its just me or the times I am on, theres often few in Red channel regardless. Blue channel frequently has a number who are racking up multiple kills. I have even often seen people swap from one side to the other having seen the other side had more using the channels.
This doesn't help people get used to comms , and there's a part of me wonders how many are put off playing because things can be so one sided ?

Many people have posted that their first online experiences were basically take off, find 6 on your tail , get shot down and repeat until you quit. Not sure how that could be changed but it seems to me to be counter-productive to have all those on comms gravitating to the one side.

Diablo310th
01-26-2005, 08:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tora-2:
Have to admit I'd like to make a personal plea for people to balance out comms and ideally demonstrate their use.
Unless its just me or the times I am on, theres often few in Red channel regardless. Blue channel frequently has a number who are racking up multiple kills. I have even often seen people swap from one side to the other having seen the other side had more using the channels.
This doesn't help people get used to comms , and there's a part of me wonders how many are put off playing because things can be so one sided ?

Many people have posted that their first online experiences were basically take off, find 6 on your tail , get shot down and repeat until you quit. Not sure how that could be changed but it seems to me to be counter-productive to have all those on comms gravitating to the one side. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tora...I think alot of it has to do with what tiem you are on the server. I've seen it when the Red channel was full and few were on Blue comms.

TgD Thunderbolt56
01-26-2005, 08:15 AM
With 5+ people on coms on each side, I strongly recommend using a brevity code. The one we try to use can be found in it's essence here: http://simhq.com/_air/air_008a.html

Keep the discussion about the poker night, FM's and home problems for NON-flying times...please.

TB