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GoldenEagle_001
02-22-2006, 04:54 PM
I must say that I have been for a long time very skeptic about the kind of virtual reality type of equipment, googles, 3d images, head motion detectors etc.

There have been many trials to find ways to render the flight simulation games more immersive. But the drawbacks, were poor stability of the system, pilot dizzyness, fatigue etc. etc.

But the priorities have been to have enough power for high-res high quality images, framerate, antialising, anisotropic filtering, high quality water rendering, and all the parameters that will get you the perfect picture at high framerate.

After having invested on a top rig and a 24" flatscreen, I could fly smoothly with the best quality image all to the max (1920X1200) antialising and anisotropic filtering, nice water, new clouds etc. etc.

Well all is running fine but now comes the terrible question, what else can I do?

So back to square one. How to make the thing more immersive.

You bet I decided to invest in a TrackIR4 Pro system and give it a chance.

So what is the outcome?

In short WAOUW. Perfect.

What can I say. The system is extremely simple to install (10 minutes). The tracking system is very small and light and can be fixed on top of any flat screen or CRT as is. It works right away without a glitch. It interfaces to IL2+FB+AEP+PF automatically. You don't see it. I just put my cap start PF and there you go.

The sensor controls are nearly perfect. It's absolutely smooth and stable and perfectly precise. I have a large 16:9 format screen so the lateral head/eye motions are perfectly natural. In fact the bigger the screen and better is the immersive effect.
You can very easily change the parameters to adapt the head motion detection to the level of reaction in the game. The control tools are simple intuitive and very well set up.

Combats in the sky, formation flights, escort flight etc. etc. become truly realistic. Looking at your instruments when needed in the cockpit becomes also very natural.

I can only say a big congratulations to those that developed this product at Natural Point. It is the type of product probably developed by gamers for gamers.

To anyone who is hesitating, I can assure you the investment is worth doing.

Gold

knightflyte
02-22-2006, 05:21 PM
What took you so long!!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Glad you're liking your Track IR 4.

I believe Track IR is the biggest immersion factor in the 'game' right now..... at least for flight sims. I haven't tried it with racing games yet.


Now it you've got a HOTAS and peddles, you're ALL set.



EDIT: The original Track IR was at first for handcapped folks who weren't able to use a mouse effectively. I would think Track IR has had it's share of innovation since it's original release as each sucessive release of the gamers version.

p-11.cAce
02-22-2006, 05:55 PM
Oh man I can't wait - I just got the email from naturalpoint that my ir4 pro shipped today http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Amon26
02-22-2006, 09:39 PM
Way off topic but are you from Michigan?

tagTaken2
02-22-2006, 10:10 PM
Yeah, it's everything they say it is. Almost everyone immediately becomes a marketing ***** for TrackIR http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

Everynow and then you'll see a comment that it's not necessary, that the commentor pwns everyone with keypad alone... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Not the point. Little tagTaken2 isn't necessary to live, but I'd still much rather have him.

BM357_TinMan
02-22-2006, 10:16 PM
Now if we could just get 6dof we'd be in virtual pilot heaven....well maybe not all THAT but it would be nice.....

tagTaken2
02-22-2006, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by BM357_TinMan:
Now if we could just get 6dof we'd be in virtual pilot heaven....well maybe not all THAT but it would be nice.....

I know, the only major issue with this sim (*coughlawnmowerengines*). My information is that can't be done because of cockpits breaking, so... looking forward to BoB

Armhunter
02-22-2006, 10:37 PM
I have had mine since Christmas and its been the best investment for IL2...

And yes, I have read some others saying its not worth it, and I am better with the hat, keypad, mouse...

I am happy for those.. I still say TrackIR is worth every penny. sorry they cant afford it..

Just think, if they are so good with the mouse or keypad etc.. how good would they be with a Track IR? not only that, now you can program the hat to any functions you want.. keeping your hands on the stick...

skissors
02-23-2006, 03:03 AM
Hi Peeps

I've been trying the demo Of Cam2pan and it worked well. Then I spent some time fitting an Led to a Hat and combining Cam2pan with newiew.
This has been working incredibly well, neview and the Led hat give me smooth head turning and I no longer have to re-centre it at all. I'm also flying without a dead zone which I wasn't able to do with Cam2pan alone. The whole thing feels incredibly natural now, where as Cam2pan by itself was very stiff and a bit of an effort.
My question is what extra would track ir give me compared cam2pan/neview and the super cool looking LED hat. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
TA

rnzoli
02-23-2006, 04:59 AM
what extra would track ir give me compared cam2pan/neview
As a Freelook user, I am wondering about the same. As far as I know, TrackIR panning should be smoother and with less lag due to high FPS (120 vs. normal webcam 30), and if position calculations are done by the firmware, it will save USB connection and CPU capacity (cam2pan and freelook has to transfer the entire camera image to the PC via USB, and process everything there).
It is a question to me, whether this is worth the TrackIR price, when I have got so many other things to improve on my rig. Probably not.
However, when 6DOF comes, TrackIR will become unbeatable.

TAW_Oilburner
02-23-2006, 05:16 AM
I don't understand how people even enjoy this sim at all without TIR.

GoldenEagle_001
02-23-2006, 04:05 PM
MZOLI you are right. First the investment must be into your rig. The TrackIR comes later when your are perfectly satisfied with image, resolution, quality, framerate, sound etc.
For real immersion all these are important factors and should come first at least in my opinion.
Here is my rig:

Casing : Thermaltake Kandalf Big Tower
Power Supply : SpirePower 600 Watts
Mainboard : ASUS P5WD2-E Premium Intel 975X Chipset - 1066 FSB
Processor : Intel Pentium Double Core 950 - 3.4 GHz 2X2MB Cache
Memory : DDR2 4GB Corsair paired XMS Twin2X2048-6400
Sound Card : Creative X-FI Platinum
Graphic card : ASUS GeForce 7800 GTX - 256 MB
OS : Windows XP Professional SP 2
System Disk : SATA Western Digital Raptor 150 MB 10'000 rpm.
Data Disks: 2 X Maxtor 250 GB SATA3
DVD/CD Recorder Player: 2 X Plextor PX716AL
Display: Samsung 244T 24" 1920 X 1200 - DVI
HOTAS : CH Products - Fighterstic USB / Pro Throttle
Mouse and Keyboard : Logitec Keyboard MX5000 Mouse Laser MX1000

and

TrackIR4 Pro

Voila that's all

Gold

GoGamer-Jason
02-23-2006, 04:13 PM
Hi,

You know if you live in the States we have a $30 Off Coupon for the TIR 4. Coupon Code SIMHQ30. Or buy a TIR 4 at full price and receive your choice of a free sim title. Buy from GoGamer and save some cash.

BOB2
GTR
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Lock On Gold
Cross Racing Championship
Falcon 4:AF

Jason

T_O_A_D
02-23-2006, 06:24 PM
Well obviously, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif I'm a Long time TIR fanboy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif
Those of you wanting to compare its feel, to the prog your using here is a page (http://toad.war-clouds.net/il2trac/) full of my Tracs ALL TIR of course.

I am still using TIR 3pro and My Ball mod, more about that in my sig if ya care.

Oh and welcome to the TIR club. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
I just don't and won't play a flying or driving game with out it.

Viper2005_
02-23-2006, 06:48 PM
BM357_TinMan I love your sig!

Getting back OT, TIR4 rocks! I've been using it for a few weeks now and it's just so natural...

I find that I now win scissors rather more often than I used to.

MOH_Hirth
02-23-2006, 07:03 PM
i play since later 2002 and was a big good suprise, i dont was believing TrackIR4 be really so good, so only now i buy and im very very very happy, the sensation the realism, but was a big dificult find a seller to shipping to Brazil, but i fond www.edimensional.com (http://www.edimensional.com) (ship to worldwide).
Only 1 thing i dont like in TrackIR4: the price, but i buy again by 2x the price.

squadldr76
02-23-2006, 11:53 PM
Originally posted by Amon26:
Way off topic but are you from Michigan?

Nope, that isn't me, Amon. But nice try. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And to add to the post, I agree. I love the TrackIR device. I hooked it up for the first time the other night, and everybody who was there that night reacted with varying degrees of "WHOA!!!!". And also, I AM now waiting for my HOTAS and pedals. Should be here by next Wednesday.

All I need now is a way to tilt my bedroom to simulate some of the sensation of banking and acceleration. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif