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Rekantai
06-12-2007, 04:14 AM
Hello, I am just wondering how many of us would have joined the assassin's during the crusade

MoveMeant
06-12-2007, 04:24 AM
you know that it wasnt like walking up to the assassins great, great fortress and then saying "Hello ,please, can i be an assassin?"

and then the whole aspect of pakour in this game has in many ways been made unatrual, i dont really know if they even did use agility and acrobatic in that way it is shown in assassins creed.

Right now i think the reason people think they are pretty cool is the fact that the story is told from their point of view and therfore we see the assassins as heroes.

And last i dont even want to say yes or no to your question because i dont think it is a good one.

marinius
06-12-2007, 04:25 AM
I believe about 11 people would have joined.

Kamiks
06-12-2007, 05:13 AM
Thinking of how it really would be to be on such a mission, no special cool stunts or anything, you just rush in, kill him, then get killed yourself, I would say no. I'd rather do other stuff than get killed because of killing someone.

Tirinel
06-12-2007, 05:53 AM
Right now i think the reason people think they are pretty cool is the fact that the story is told from their point of view and therfore we see the assassins as heroes.

And last i dont even want to say yes or no to your question because i dont think it is a good one.
Quite full of yourself, aren't you? Well, let me tell you, don't go insulting the game that you are a member of, AND that will be the blockbuster of many years to come.

To the question: i think that the people who joined didn't come by their own accord, but might have been looked for and asked to help the future of the people and become an assassin.

MoveMeant
06-12-2007, 06:34 AM
no really i think this is going to be an amazing game, and offcourse i would like to have the agilty and stuff that Altair has, but really do you think that was the way the real middelage assassins worked? running up walls jump down tall buildings and so on.. probably not i quess it was more as Kamiks said run up kill and get killed. and if that is the truth i dont think ordinary people like us would like to become an assassin.

nick0szZ
06-12-2007, 07:16 AM
i would be one, i can run on walls and stuf, and last night there was a bar fight, i owned like 10 people, jumping around and hitting them with a piece of a broken glass.. :P

no seriously, if i lived in that time i would propably be a smith or something

moqqy
06-12-2007, 07:39 AM
Well, how many of us would want to be? Sure, some would, just like some kids want to be a soldier and go to war when they grow up - but if they were there really, they wouldn't. So answer: None. ( who knows maybe theres some crazy psycho tho.. )

MoveMeant
06-12-2007, 07:50 AM
4,64928374 of us would have been assassin during the crusade based on my research that i spent few weeks doing

Moqqy you just spend your post number 200 on sarcasm!

moqqy
06-12-2007, 07:53 AM
Originally posted by MoveMeant:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> 4,64928374 of us would have been assassin during the crusade based on my research that i spent few weeks doing

Moqqy you just spend your post number 200 on sarcasm! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah can't let that happen can we? edited my post

Hurdyking
06-12-2007, 08:14 AM
Thats a very stupid question

MoveMeant
06-12-2007, 08:19 AM
thats better Moqqy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

moawolf
06-12-2007, 09:02 AM
Well i have the whole parkour thing going for me so that steers me to be an assassin. I always sneak around and put my friends in headlocks. In video games i always like to be sneaky with a knife even when that is ******ed (IE armored core).
But i dont think i could ever kill someone who hasnt harmed me or people i care about. So it depends on my motivation. I could be an assassin in the crusades but i'm not sure i would want to be.

knife_X
06-12-2007, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by Tirinel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Right now i think the reason people think they are pretty cool is the fact that the story is told from their point of view and therfore we see the assassins as heroes.

And last i dont even want to say yes or no to your question because i dont think it is a good one.
Quite full of yourself, aren't you? Well, let me tell you, don't go insulting the game that you are a member of, AND that will be the blockbuster of many years to come.

To the question: i think that the people who joined didn't come by their own accord, but might have been looked for and asked to help the future of the people and become an assassin. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The only one full of himself is you making statements like some sort oracle he just answeared good, what were you jealus or something jeezaloo!

No I dont think many would be assassins but who knows I certainly wasnt there!

moqqy
06-12-2007, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by moawolf:
Well i have the whole parkour thing going for me so that steers me to be an assassin. I always sneak around and put my friends in headlocks. In video games i always like to be sneaky with a knife even when that is ******ed (IE armored core).
But i dont think i could ever kill someone who hasnt harmed me or people i care about. So it depends on my motivation. I could be an assassin in the crusades but i'm not sure i would want to be.
what word am i thinking about
*****
?

MoveMeant
06-12-2007, 10:28 AM
thanks Knife x http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ThePheonix1030
06-12-2007, 03:05 PM
I could never be an assassin. I have too much mercy for other people. But, if that person were evil, then I'd probably be one. Kind of like in Saw, where Jigsaw is torturing bad people, except killing them instantly and not giving them a chance to escape http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Although most of your targets given to you are bad people already...

Maybe I'd rather be a blacksmith http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

moqqy
06-13-2007, 12:26 AM
My wild bet not many ( any probs ) would be able to kill a person. Even though he was "evil".

Tirinel
06-13-2007, 05:50 AM
Originally posted by nick0szZ:
i would be one, i can run on walls and stuf, and last night there was a bar fight, i owned like 10 people, jumping around and hitting them with a piece of a broken glass.. :P

Now do you see the importance of defence and "jumping aroung?" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

korogoth
06-13-2007, 12:12 PM
you don't "join" the assassins clan the leaders or higher ranked officials choose you, most likely at a young age too.

danny.b87
06-13-2007, 12:57 PM
well yes you get choosed well you probably do not have a change to say no
because if they promise you things when your young you will believe what they say and such
but to awnser your question i would probably say yes haha, im already a cold sonfa*****
so i would kill for the right cause (ofcourse)

Pappy1193
06-13-2007, 10:34 PM
Well first of all most assassin's were go in kill the guy get out. The "hideouts" locations were not known if you discovered one of these hideouts you could maybe be accepted or you would prove your worth like killing someone without being seen etc. then some sort of intiation into this guild/band of assassins

MoveMeant
06-14-2007, 03:35 AM
Well first of all most assassin's were go in kill the guy get out. The "hideouts" locations were not known if you discovered one of these hideouts you could maybe be accepted or you would prove your worth like killing someone without being seen etc. then some sort of intiation into this guild/band of assassins

Or maybe you would just get killed because you discovered something which was supposed to be secret?

noobfun
06-14-2007, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by Pappy1193:
Well first of all most assassin's were go in kill the guy get out. The "hideouts" locations were not known if you discovered one of these hideouts you could maybe be accepted or you would prove your worth like killing someone without being seen etc. then some sort of intiation into this guild/band of assassins

hehe this is funny most nizari assassins just walked up stuck a dagger in your chest and if they were really lucky escaped (about 5%)

the rest if lucky were killed on the spot by thier targets guards, or if they were unlucky were captured alive tortured and then killed

for this kind of assasination all you needed were clothes to hide the dagger in and a dagger

you didnt need awesome agility to jump around to find your target, you went to his local mosque at prayers had a little pray then stabbed him when you both walk outside

obviously for the sleeper agents who spent years working for thier targets you were required to have knowledge of languages science maths religeon and the ability to be the very good at the trade you were employed for, the game would be kinda boring if it focused on this side of thier history

moqqy
06-14-2007, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pappy1193:
Well first of all most assassin's were go in kill the guy get out. The "hideouts" locations were not known if you discovered one of these hideouts you could maybe be accepted or you would prove your worth like killing someone without being seen etc. then some sort of intiation into this guild/band of assassins

hehe this is funny most nizari assassins just walked up stuck a dagger in your chest and if they were really lucky escaped (about 5%)

the rest if lucky were killed on the spot by thier targets guards, or if they were unlucky were captured alive tortured and then killed

for this kind of assasination all you needed were clothes to hide the dagger in and a dagger

you didnt need awesome agility to jump around to find your target, you went to his local mosque at prayers had a little pray then stabbed him when you both walk outside

obviously for the sleeper agents who spent years working for thier targets you were required to have knowledge of languages science maths religeon and the ability to be the very good at the trade you were employed for, the game would be kinda boring if it focused on this side of thier history </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

why couldnt the nizaris never escape? so it's not like what altair is doing, killing and running away.

i've seen like three, four stories of assassinations, where in one at least the assassins escaped. this was the murder of count of tripoli( or something of tripoli ) where two assassins stabbed him and two guards protecting him and escaped out of the city.

noobfun
06-14-2007, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by moqqy:

why couldnt the nizaris never escape? so it's not like what altair is doing, killing and running away.

i've seen like three, four stories of assassinations, where in one at least the assassins escaped. this was the murder of count of tripoli( or something of tripoli ) where two assassins stabbed him and two guards protecting him and escaped out of the city.

they could escape, it just happens that most of them didnt

the 4 that went after saladin were cut down and killed, the 2 that killed conrad demonforat were captured

they were working in unfriendly cities so if the guards didnt get them the locals usually did, it wasnt like it is in the game with the whole robin hood bit to get the crowds on your side

remeber all those old films where someones declared a witch and the whole village run around to find them and drag them to justice, well thats kinda what it was like

moqqy
06-14-2007, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:

why couldnt the nizaris never escape? so it's not like what altair is doing, killing and running away.

i've seen like three, four stories of assassinations, where in one at least the assassins escaped. this was the murder of count of tripoli( or something of tripoli ) where two assassins stabbed him and two guards protecting him and escaped out of the city.

they could escape, it just happens that most of them didnt

the 4 that went after saladin were cut down and killed, the 2 that killed conrad demonforat were captured

they were working in unfriendly cities so if the guards didnt get them the locals usually did, it wasnt like it is in the game with the whole robin hood bit to get the crowds on your side

remeber all those old films where someones declared a witch and the whole village run around to find them and drag them to justice, well thats kinda what it was like </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i see. but this is what it says ( your source http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )

"Nizaris simply as another group of Saracens; not until 1152 did the Nizaris first achieve widespread notoriety among the Christians, as the result of their murder of Count Raymond II of Tripoli. "

and the action itself

"The king was to stay on at Tripoli for military reasons, so the two ladies set off for Jerusalem without him and Raymond rode out along the road for a mile or two to escort them. As he returned to his capital a group of Assassins sprang on him and stabbed him to death. Two knights who tried to protect him were also killed. The news of the murders brought the garrison rushing out into the streets; they slaughtered all the Muslims they met, but the attackers escaped. The motive for this assassination is unknown. "

noobfun
06-14-2007, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:

why couldnt the nizaris never escape? so it's not like what altair is doing, killing and running away.

i've seen like three, four stories of assassinations, where in one at least the assassins escaped. this was the murder of count of tripoli( or something of tripoli ) where two assassins stabbed him and two guards protecting him and escaped out of the city.

they could escape, it just happens that most of them didnt

the 4 that went after saladin were cut down and killed, the 2 that killed conrad demonforat were captured

they were working in unfriendly cities so if the guards didnt get them the locals usually did, it wasnt like it is in the game with the whole robin hood bit to get the crowds on your side

remeber all those old films where someones declared a witch and the whole village run around to find them and drag them to justice, well thats kinda what it was like </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i see. but this is what it says ( your source http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )

"Nizaris simply as another group of Saracens; not until 1152 did the Nizaris first achieve widespread notoriety among the Christians, as the result of their murder of Count Raymond II of Tripoli. "

and the action itself

"The king was to stay on at Tripoli for military reasons, so the two ladies set off for Jerusalem without him and Raymond rode out along the road for a mile or two to escort them. As he returned to his capital a group of Assassins sprang on him and stabbed him to death. Two knights who tried to protect him were also killed. The news of the murders brought the garrison rushing out into the streets; they slaughtered all the Muslims they met, but the attackers escaped. The motive for this assassination is unknown. " </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yepp like i said theres a chance of escape but in most public assassinations escape failed

we dont know how many attackers there were but they were able to down 2 knights

it also doesnt say how long it took for word to reach the garrison, as he was not in the city but the garrison was (in the city)im guessing they had enough time to jog away from the garison that went on a revenge killing spree through the streets

moqqy
06-14-2007, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:

why couldnt the nizaris never escape? so it's not like what altair is doing, killing and running away.

i've seen like three, four stories of assassinations, where in one at least the assassins escaped. this was the murder of count of tripoli( or something of tripoli ) where two assassins stabbed him and two guards protecting him and escaped out of the city.

they could escape, it just happens that most of them didnt

the 4 that went after saladin were cut down and killed, the 2 that killed conrad demonforat were captured

they were working in unfriendly cities so if the guards didnt get them the locals usually did, it wasnt like it is in the game with the whole robin hood bit to get the crowds on your side

remeber all those old films where someones declared a witch and the whole village run around to find them and drag them to justice, well thats kinda what it was like </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i see. but this is what it says ( your source http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )

"Nizaris simply as another group of Saracens; not until 1152 did the Nizaris first achieve widespread notoriety among the Christians, as the result of their murder of Count Raymond II of Tripoli. "

and the action itself

"The king was to stay on at Tripoli for military reasons, so the two ladies set off for Jerusalem without him and Raymond rode out along the road for a mile or two to escort them. As he returned to his capital a group of Assassins sprang on him and stabbed him to death. Two knights who tried to protect him were also killed. The news of the murders brought the garrison rushing out into the streets; they slaughtered all the Muslims they met, but the attackers escaped. The motive for this assassination is unknown. " </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yepp like i said theres a chance of escape but in most public assassinations escape failed

we dont know how many attackers there were but they were able to down 2 knights

it also doesnt say how long it took for word to reach the garrison, as he was not in the city but the garrison was (in the city)im guessing they had enough time to jog away from the garison that went on a revenge killing spree through the streets </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
yeah and as that wasnot so public assassination they had better percentage to escape

noobfun
06-14-2007, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by moqqy:

yeah and as that wasnot so public assassination they had better percentage to escape

exactly

when your stabbing someone important in a crowd thats full of his supporters, guards and semi loyal civillians its a little harder to run away

DrZapp
06-14-2007, 02:08 PM
i would've been a doctor..

stricken618
06-14-2007, 02:22 PM
Umm... Sorry I would like to keep all of my fingers

noobfun
06-15-2007, 02:04 AM
Originally posted by stricken618:
Umm... Sorry I would like to keep all of my fingers

the finger things somthing they made up for the game, other wise the guards would just coubt peoples fingers as they entered cities and garrisons

moqqy
06-15-2007, 02:07 AM
Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stricken618:
Umm... Sorry I would like to keep all of my fingers

the finger things somthing they made up for the game, other wise the guards would just coubt peoples fingers as they entered cities and garrisons </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yep, the hidden blade is kinda cool, but takes something away from the realism too.. except if the guards didn't know the assassins are missing a finger, tho they would after an assassin gets caught, or two of them get caught.

but then again did the guards/kings/counts/sultans see the assassins (nizaris/hashashins) as that big threat, to search everyone who enters a city?

noobfun
06-15-2007, 02:25 AM
Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stricken618:
Umm... Sorry I would like to keep all of my fingers

the finger things somthing they made up for the game, other wise the guards would just coubt peoples fingers as they entered cities and garrisons </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yep, the hidden blade is kinda cool, but takes something away from the realism too.. except if the guards didn't know the assassins are missing a finger, tho they would after an assassin gets caught, or two of them get caught.

but then again did the guards/kings/counts/sultans see the assassins (nizaris/hashashins) as that big threat, to search everyone who enters a city? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


The reasons for this hostility are not wholly clear, but probably the Mongols had not realized at first how dangerous the Nizaris were reputed to be; increasing contacts with Muslims revealed this to them. For example, a Muslim official at the Great Khan's court was found to be wearing mail beneath his clothes, and on being questioned explained that he did so for fear of Isma'ili assassins.

even when in mongolia they still wore the mail they wore to protect them from the nizari, yepp if missing finger meant assassins losing a finger in an accident would have been certain death, or having to cut off another 1 or 2

moqqy
06-15-2007, 02:31 AM
Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stricken618:
Umm... Sorry I would like to keep all of my fingers

the finger things somthing they made up for the game, other wise the guards would just coubt peoples fingers as they entered cities and garrisons </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yep, the hidden blade is kinda cool, but takes something away from the realism too.. except if the guards didn't know the assassins are missing a finger, tho they would after an assassin gets caught, or two of them get caught.

but then again did the guards/kings/counts/sultans see the assassins (nizaris/hashashins) as that big threat, to search everyone who enters a city? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


The reasons for this hostility are not wholly clear, but probably the Mongols had not realized at first how dangerous the Nizaris were reputed to be; increasing contacts with Muslims revealed this to them. For example, a Muslim official at the Great Khan's court was found to be wearing mail beneath his clothes, and on being questioned explained that he did so for fear of Isma'ili assassins.

even when in mongolia they still wore the mail they wore to protect them from the nizari, yepp if missing finger meant assassins losing a finger in an accident would have been certain death, or having to cut off another 1 or 2 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ah ok, thanks for clearing that up. so there was absolutely no idea for assassins to wear or have anything that they could be recognized off, like white clothes or cut fingers. isn't there only like 1 guy who suspected that the assassins had white clothes, and the same person tried to prove that nizaris and knight templars were in a conspiracy? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

noobfun
06-15-2007, 03:46 AM
Originally posted by moqqy:
ah ok, thanks for clearing that up. so there was absolutely no idea for assassins to wear or have anything that they could be recognized off, like white clothes or cut fingers. isn't there only like 1 guy who suspected that the assassins had white clothes, and the same person tried to prove that nizaris and knight templars were in a conspiracy? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

the tale of sinan commanding 2 guys to jump from a tower to show thier loyalty were said to be wearing white (more likley an natural off white)

when the resserection was announced bu hassan II he was wearing a white cloak

some historians took this to mean they wore white all the time as a kind of uniform

moqqy
06-15-2007, 05:34 AM
Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
ah ok, thanks for clearing that up. so there was absolutely no idea for assassins to wear or have anything that they could be recognized off, like white clothes or cut fingers. isn't there only like 1 guy who suspected that the assassins had white clothes, and the same person tried to prove that nizaris and knight templars were in a conspiracy? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

the tale of sinan commanding 2 guys to jump from a tower to show thier loyalty were said to be wearing white (more likley an natural off white)

when the resserection was announced bu hassan II he was wearing a white cloak

some historians took this to mean they wore white all the time as a kind of uniform </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"The Templar knights wore white, and von Hammer believes that the Assassins did likewise; but actually the evidence for this is scanty, though it is true that Hasan II wore white when he proclaimed the Resurrection at Alamut. "

this man caims that they wore white, too.

but also i found the quote you used,
"The reasons for this hostility are not wholly clear, but probably the Mongols had not realized at first how dangerous the Nizaris were reputed to be; increasing contacts with Muslims revealed this to them. For example, a Muslim official at the Great Khan's court was found to be wearing mail beneath his clothes, and on being questioned explained that he did so for fear of Isma'ili assassins."

and indeed, that was when the nizaris were far away from the peak of their power

BlackHand2007
06-19-2007, 10:45 PM
I don't think I would of been an assassin during the crusade because the killing would become to personal and my mind could not handle it. But if i could of chosen who i would of been i would be the Knight in shining armour saving the Holy Land one Muslim at a time

Wangzter
06-20-2007, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by BlackHand2007:
I don't think I would of been an assassin during the crusade because the killing would become to personal and my mind could not handle it. But if i could of chosen who i would of been i would be the Knight in shining armour saving the Holy Land one Muslim at a time

The hell you on about? 'Saving the Holy Land' as a Knight? Right...

Anywho...no. I wouldn't want to be an assassin just to get caught and possibly killed after killing my own target. I would, however, love to be a smithy! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

moqqy
06-20-2007, 02:49 AM
Originally posted by BlackHand2007:
I don't think I would of been an assassin during the crusade because the killing would become to personal and my mind could not handle it. But if i could of chosen who i would of been i would be the Knight in shining armour saving the Holy Land one Muslim at a time

lol, so you couldn't kill as an assassin but you could kill as a knight?...
saving the holy land ok..

noobfun
06-20-2007, 04:03 AM
Originally posted by BlackHand2007:
I don't think I would of been an assassin during the crusade because the killing would become to personal and my mind could not handle it. But if i could of chosen who i would of been i would be the Knight in shining armour saving the Holy Land one Muslim at a time

saving the holy land from people who have lived thier 1000's of years by executing 1 prisoner at a time jewish or muslim, i think you mean

this could be the start of another fun leap through history debate ... but i really dont think he's upto it lol

moqqy
06-20-2007, 04:28 AM
Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BlackHand2007:
I don't think I would of been an assassin during the crusade because the killing would become to personal and my mind could not handle it. But if i could of chosen who i would of been i would be the Knight in shining armour saving the Holy Land one Muslim at a time

saving the holy land from people who have lived thier 1000's of years by executing 1 prisoner at a time jewish or muslim, i think you mean

this could be the start of another fun leap through history debate ... but i really dont think he's upto it lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
yah seems to me he doesnt know enough about it, unless he redirects u to wikipedia

noobfun
06-20-2007, 04:51 AM
Originally posted by moqqy:
yah seems to me he doesnt know enough about it, unless he redirects u to wikipedia

lmao oo what ever will i do, how can i possibly debate against wikipedia

....well i could point out its ******ed and prove it wrong ... ok im set lets go im ready for the debate

moqqy
06-20-2007, 05:00 AM
Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
yah seems to me he doesnt know enough about it, unless he redirects u to wikipedia

lmao oo what ever will i do, how can i possibly debate against wikipedia

....well i could point out its ******ed and prove it wrong ... ok im set lets go im ready for the debate </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

and btw about this part..
"I don't think I would of been an assassin during the crusade because the killing would become to personal and my mind could not handle it"
you would die probably in the first assassination or before it so i dont think it would become too personal.....

"Knight in shining armour saving the Holy Land one Muslim at a time "

and the reality is different to the tales many of them died to lack of food diseases lack of water died to an arrow coming from far away without ever getting to see the enemy from close.. i cant understand your english after that, "saving the holy land one muslim at a time"? you mean youre saving muslims like in a bank then after crusades you get them and put them back to holy land?

edit: and noobfun btw i tried to correct wikipedia and edit the garden & hashish stuff but it was back after a day, seems like you cant even correct them :P

and btw noobfun i ordered both
THE ASSASSIN LEGENDS: MYTHS OF THE ISMA'ILIS

and

THE SECRET ORDER OF ASSASSINS: THE STRUGGLE OF THE EARLY NIZARI ISMA'ILIS AGAINST THE ISLAMIC WORLD

hogdsons and daftarys book

noobfun
06-20-2007, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by moqqy:

and the reality is different to the tales many of them died to lack of food diseases lack of water died to an arrow coming from far away without ever getting to see the enemy from close.. i cant understand your english after that, "saving the holy land one muslim at a time"? you mean youre saving muslims like in a bank then after crusades you get them and put them back to holy land?

edit: and noobfun btw i tried to correct wikipedia and edit the garden & hashish stuff but it was back after a day, seems like you cant even correct them :P

and btw noobfun i ordered both
THE ASSASSIN LEGENDS: MYTHS OF THE ISMA'ILIS

and

THE SECRET ORDER OF ASSASSINS: THE STRUGGLE OF THE EARLY NIZARI ISMA'ILIS AGAINST THE ISLAMIC WORLD

hogdsons and daftarys book

yepp disease, lack of food and water accounted for large amounts of deaths

an account from the first crusade tells of the turks ambushing an army on 3 sides from the woods and the village and slaugthering most of the army with arrows, then sending horsemen to cut down the few knights that made a stand. they were wiped out in a matter of seconds under the turkish charge, who then rode down most of what was left of the fleeing men

that bank analogy .. what can i say priceless lol

ooo lemme know which one cover the religeous side more indepth will ya ^_^ cheers moqqy

moqqy
06-21-2007, 04:52 AM
Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:

and the reality is different to the tales many of them died to lack of food diseases lack of water died to an arrow coming from far away without ever getting to see the enemy from close.. i cant understand your english after that, "saving the holy land one muslim at a time"? you mean youre saving muslims like in a bank then after crusades you get them and put them back to holy land?

edit: and noobfun btw i tried to correct wikipedia and edit the garden & hashish stuff but it was back after a day, seems like you cant even correct them :P

and btw noobfun i ordered both
THE ASSASSIN LEGENDS: MYTHS OF THE ISMA'ILIS

and

THE SECRET ORDER OF ASSASSINS: THE STRUGGLE OF THE EARLY NIZARI ISMA'ILIS AGAINST THE ISLAMIC WORLD

hogdsons and daftarys book

yepp disease, lack of food and water accounted for large amounts of deaths

an account from the first crusade tells of the turks ambushing an army on 3 sides from the woods and the village and slaugthering most of the army with arrows, then sending horsemen to cut down the few knights that made a stand. they were wiped out in a matter of seconds under the turkish charge, who then rode down most of what was left of the fleeing men

that bank analogy .. what can i say priceless lol

ooo lemme know which one cover the religeous side more indepth will ya ^_^ cheers moqqy </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yep yep i'll tell you but its gonna take some time since gonna go away for 1 week today and after that they should have came.

skutatos
06-22-2007, 07:46 PM
Id probably just be your average english crusader with a spear, sword(swords were often the secondary weapon for most european armies in the middle ages, the spear was largely predominant due to the threat of cavalry and the extra reach) and shield, standing guard somewhere. As long as I got my pay, Id be happy.

Would sure beat the hell out of my current job, at least there would occasionally be some excitement.

The ambush referred to by noobfun actually took place during the people's crusade(peter the hermit went around and recruited the most fanatical people he could), which was a complete disaster to begin with. When ambushed, none of the crusaders even had their armour on. The First Crusade was entirely seperate from that disaster led by Peter the Hermit and had Byzantine observers/advisors and sometimes even infantry/cavalry contingents early on, which Im sure helped then tremendously since the Byzantines were more then familiar with the way the various islamic factions made war.

noobfun
06-22-2007, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by skutatos:
Id probably just be your average english crusader with a spear, sword(swords were often the secondary weapon for most european armies in the middle ages, the spear was largely predominant due to the threat of cavalry and the extra reach) and shield, standing guard somewhere. As long as I got my pay, Id be happy.

Would sure beat the hell out of my current job, at least there would occasionally be some excitement.

The ambush referred to by noobfun actually took place during the people's crusade(peter the hermit went around and recruited the most fanatical people he could), which was a complete disaster to begin with. When ambushed, none of the crusaders even had their armour on. The First Crusade was entirely seperate from that disaster led by Peter the Hermit and had Byzantine observers/advisors and sometimes even infantry/cavalry contingents early on, which Im sure helped then tremendously since the Byzantines were more then familiar with the way the various islamic factions made war.

thanks i could remeber the story but not the details and didnt feel like looking them up ^_^

but peter the hermit was part of the first crusade, the king of byzantium just shoved them off towards the holy land becasue they were stealing everything that wasnt heavily guarded

the later armies controlled them selves a little better so he granted them more support as penance for the massacre of the first outtings