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wildcat101
03-08-2004, 10:40 AM
I have started flying with the cockpit on and it is indeed much more fun and immersive in my opinion. Also with the AEP, they have redone the ME109(my typical plane) gunsight which is really alot better. It is just so much more realistic and satisfying when you nail someone. Not making any recommendations as to how anyone should play, just my own findings. I will doubt if I ever go back to no cockpit.

wildcat101
03-08-2004, 10:40 AM
I have started flying with the cockpit on and it is indeed much more fun and immersive in my opinion. Also with the AEP, they have redone the ME109(my typical plane) gunsight which is really alot better. It is just so much more realistic and satisfying when you nail someone. Not making any recommendations as to how anyone should play, just my own findings. I will doubt if I ever go back to no cockpit.

1.JaVA_Hornet
03-08-2004, 11:07 AM
Hi,

You have to shame yourself to fly without cockpit on. Oleg and his team did they utmost and you fly without cockpit??

I flew never without!!!

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nixon-fiend.
03-08-2004, 11:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>you fly without cockpit??

I flew never without!!!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well give that man a medal! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

No-cockpit is great, REALLY GREAT for learning how to fly and shoot.

I learnt that way, and I fly the aircobra which requires a lot of 'skill' (or patience) to hit things with - so it helped me.

Don't fly like that anymore, but that aint the point.

1.JaVA_Razer
03-08-2004, 11:34 AM
Well indeed flying without the cockpit is a whole lot fun/ you can look around at those pretty details and doghfights,but for me when it comes to being immersed, cockpit on is the wy to go http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Xnomad
03-08-2004, 11:48 AM
I can't understand people who fly cockpit off because they think it's 'easier' it isn't! Well not for me anyway. First of all I like that IL2 is my own personal museum of WWII planes, how can I appreciate it if I can't see the cockpit/wings the only difference between planes then is the handleing, that's crap.

My major point is that I get my arse handed to me on "cockpit off" servers as I can't bounce people and you have to basically fly a very good plane to gain some points. Flying close to FR servers I score frequently and do quite well. Why? Because people don't have arrows telling them where I am etc.

Plus it's great to just cruise along in my bf 109 cockpit admiring the view and how can you pretend you are in a bf 109 with no cockpit and all these arrows pointing at targets?

I think the people who complain about full real players think that we consider them to be inferior and therefore they kick up a stink whenever we mention "cockpit on". Trust me guys "cockpit on" is much easier only hitch is that it only gets that way with Track IR, without and it's slightly harder but not enough to put you off.

I think basically it's like a game of football (soccer) in FR servers, a lot of flying looking for the enemy and then a kill, it's like a 1-0 score line in soccer 90 minutes and only one goal, but what a goal! Arcade is more like Basketball each basket is not very important and only adds to a large scoreline.

So basically 1 kill in 20 minutes on FR makes you feel alot better than 5 kills in that time on an arcade server.

I never have got this feeling from an arcade server that you get on FR. You are at 3000 meters and below at 1000 is your target flying along unaware. You dive down and get behind and below him a little in his blind spot and you are closing fast. You are praying that he doesn't notice you and that no wingman has radioed him your intentions. You aim as you are coming in a break neck spead almost risking a collision. You fire a burst and he explodes into pieces! Often after an attack like that my hands are shaking and sweating from the excitement.

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Bearcat99
03-08-2004, 12:26 PM
No cockpit IS a little easier..you have to do less work.. but a locked pit is certainly LOADS of fun. At first it was kind of hard for me but after a while it gets easier. For mew the thing that made it easier was using my gauges. When I fly no pit I like to also turn off the Hudlog and speed bar.

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BpGemini
03-08-2004, 01:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nixon-fiend.:
Well give that man a medal! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

No-cockpit is great, REALLY GREAT for learning how to fly and shoot.

I learnt that way, and I fly the aircobra which requires a lot of 'skill' (or patience) to hit things with - so it helped me.

Don't fly like that anymore, but that aint the point.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


IMO it's much better to just jump right in. I got in the Cobra and went Full Real to learn. Now everything less than full real is easier. I would think the people who start out with easy settings are constantly in an uphill climb. Go FR from the beginning instead of wasting your time! Just my 2c.

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MZ6
03-08-2004, 01:18 PM
I like to fly with cockpit on, but MP games with cockpit off, I put myself at a disadvantage with it on

BlitzPig_DDT
03-08-2004, 01:37 PM
I find no cockpit disorienting when looking around. So, in that respect, it's harder. However, those arrows tell ya where everyone is, and you can pull deflection shots god himself would be impressed with. So in that respect, it's much easier.

(particularly in the late model 109s with their arbitrarily, and non-historic, crappy glass)

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wotan111
03-08-2004, 02:02 PM
I flew without the cockpit when I had a 15 inch monitor. With the cockpit on the sight was way to small.

Since I bought a 17inch I fly with the cockpit on in widescreen view all the time.

SeaFireLIV
03-08-2004, 02:09 PM
Hear we go again! But it`s nice that at least one has seen the light.

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TooCooL34
03-08-2004, 03:37 PM
Hallelujah!
One more bro saw the light.

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I feel sim world is going crazy when evil no cockpit guys say they're enjoying more real and fun than on-cockpit buddies. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
03-09-2004, 01:26 AM
The new cockpits over the AEP may be seducing some http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Well, in the link below we see that there was a time when Cockpit Off was visually more attractive.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=98;t=007958

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THard105
03-09-2004, 02:33 AM
well ten more days and AEP arrives in the UK...
Haven't been doing much flying recently, broke me Cyborg evo the other day got to send it ack to get fixed http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif (it's only the palm rest, but I like having it there..).
I only started lying IL2 a couple of weeks ago, and being a complete noob, I decided to do the easy thing...and jumped right in with a closed cockpit!
One of the reasons is that i buy a sim to feel an experience, and with an open cockpit, I just don't feel it. With the cockpit around you do get (and i know this may be a cliche) a truly imersive experience, and I think its great (not to mention the whole point of a sim IMHO)!
It's deffiently harder (ok it took me a whole evening to teach myself how to land, without junking the plane), although in the russian campagian I'm **** i now have 2 kills (after about 6 missions.. :s ).
Ahh well time to get the stick fixed, and get back in the air
Ed

Dmitri9mm
03-09-2004, 03:48 AM
When I first bought the Il2 several years ago, I couldn't believe how hard it was to aim the guns. I had been something of a crack-shot in CFS2 and this game was really a challenge.
I started flying offline, not only with wonder woman view but also slowing down to 1/4 - speed while aiming my guns. This taught me a lot about deflection-shooting, and today I fly with cockpit on, no speed bar ect. and can deflection-shoot planes not even visible from the cockpit, because I learned my lesson hard and slow. So congratulations to everyone who hane just learned the art of flying with cockpit on, and I won't blame you if it took some time.

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x__CRASH__x
03-09-2004, 05:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BpGemini:
IMO it's much better to just jump right in. I got in the Cobra and went Full Real to learn. Now everything less than full real is easier. I would think the people who start out with easy settings are constantly in an uphill climb. Go FR from the beginning instead of wasting your time! Just my 2c.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I started off with arcade settings and worked my way up. I can kick Gemini's butt up and down the block, so you tell me which way is better! lol


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Bull-Dog.
03-09-2004, 05:58 AM
I had forgot about the no-cockpit option and never used it until i realised that many of the pilots who shot be down did. after realising this I started using it in a limited way and started to get more kills and did not get shot down so much. I must say that I find it strange that so many pilots prefer this setting as its not at all realistic and takes away any sense of actualy flying a plane.
I now try to find servers with cockpit locked, but still fly other servers when none are available. The difference now is i know my apponants take advantage of this seting and use it also at times to limit there anvantage.
So when in Rome do as the Romans and if you dont like Romans, dont go there.

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RossC0
03-09-2004, 07:54 AM
I have to agree with the cockpit on makes it better.

I've had the game for about 2 weeks and just started flying online (Well crashing online...) and all the servers I've played on the cockpit has been locked on! It certainly adds to the drama.

The only downside of having the external views off is that I can never find out where I lost the other pilot!

One day I will shoot someone down ... God knows I've died trying!!

wideblade
03-09-2004, 07:56 AM
cockpit on is great----congratulation yuve joined the fun-----

ShVAK
03-09-2004, 09:17 AM
Not to begin another cockpit war, but Bulldog wrote, "I must say that I find it strange that so many pilots prefer this setting (cockpit-off) as its not at all realistic and takes away any sense of actualy flying a plane."

Well, I flew actual military jets (currently on helicopters), 56th`Ghost still flies F-16s, and =353=MONROEQ flew P-47s and P-51s in WW2. Its sad to say, but we fly cockpit off, as it provides us with a better sense of air combat realism. Granted - kill the icons.

The ergonomics within a virtual cockpit enviroment are just to slow and peripherally restrictive when compared to human neck/eye/hand rotation and coordination ability.

I understand that some "outside" programs are available to "enhance" full-cockpit gameplay (newview, track IR?) which should aid this department greatly. But outside programs are sometimes referred to as "cheats", since they are not standard with the game. (Let's not begin a debate on this however). Suffice to say, I am not opposed to a program that will aid with the game's restrictive cockpit view settings and enhance gameplay.

Further, I do play cockpit-on at times, just for something different. The "new" cockpit dashboards are quite nice and can compensate for the inability then to see someone else's painted skin. With cockpit-on, offensively the game becomes tougher but defensively it becomes easier, somewhat opposite to the cockpit-off setting.

But whatever your choice is, just remember that neither setting offers "realism". While some military/civilian aircraft simulators are actually quite good (most have sidescreens and full motion), this virtual Il-2 game is mediocre at engine managment, cannot accurately accommodate G-forces on YOUR body, wake turbulence, full cockpit layout/ergonomics, in-flight emergencies, and most of all the fear of killing or being killed.

Its a game - just enjoy it. If you want full realism, join the military.