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darkhorizon11
08-05-2006, 12:06 AM
I just got back from seeing the new Miami Vice... pretty good flick.

After we walk out me and one of my buds were checking out the movie posters and low and behold it looks like a new WWII movie will be rollin' out...

Problem is I can't remember the name of it. It was something... of our fathers. The poster was a picture of the American flag being raised over Iwo Jima, I only glanced quick so I didn't see a release date but I did see Clint Eastwood's name up top...

Anyone else got some info?

papotex
08-05-2006, 12:16 AM
well heres to add to your exitment...

this is a colaboration of Clint eastwood AND Steven spielbelg...how do you like them apples

hehe

Mackane1
08-05-2006, 12:26 AM
Flags of Our Fathers

It's the story of the men in this photo.
http://home.si.rr.com/skywolf/Flags_of_Our_Fathers_99350o.jpg

...Great book!

Professor_1942
08-05-2006, 12:27 AM
http://www.flagsofourfathers.net/

Googled just for you.

3.JG51_BigBear
08-05-2006, 01:01 AM
I've been waiting for this one for a while. Clint Eastwood is a great director and the movie is based on a book by James Bradley (he wrote Flyboys). Should be a great flick.

woofiedog
08-05-2006, 01:06 AM
Great book... read it a couple of year's back.

One of those books that are Hard to put down.

F19_Olli72
08-05-2006, 02:30 AM
Im sorry i dont share the enthusiasm. Look at the cast! These are guys who some years ago did cheesy romantic comedies, B-horror movies and rotten tv shows. I mean, I dont get excited by the quality of an actor that has 'acted' in Walker:Texas Ranger & "First Wave".

Nah it will propably be another "purdy boy" hero flagwaving/saluting warmovie typical of Hollywood. Pearl Harbour on land i say. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif I know the book propably tells another story, but cmon... do we need a SPR II?

Feathered_IV
08-05-2006, 03:36 AM
Puts a bit of a downer on things. Ah well...

FlatSpinMan
08-05-2006, 03:36 AM
SPR was cool!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I know there was a big debate about it here a while back but it showed some realy good coverage of the realities of war. Of course it had its melodramatic moments but it was a movie, not a documentary.

skabbe
08-05-2006, 03:08 PM
OH i wanted so much a ww2 movie, but looks like chees on US flag movie again. hope not!

Tator_Totts
08-05-2006, 03:16 PM
Ok allof you anti amrerican movie bashers is that all you got?

berg417448
08-05-2006, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
Im sorry i dont share the enthusiasm. Look at the cast! These are guys who some years ago did cheesy romantic comedies, B-horror movies and rotten tv shows. I mean, I dont get excited by the quality of an actor that has 'acted' in Walker:Texas Ranger & "First Wave".

Nah it will propably be another "purdy boy" hero flagwaving/saluting warmovie typical of Hollywood. Pearl Harbour on land i say. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif I know the book propably tells another story, but cmon... do we need a SPR II?


Depends...if they hold to this description of the script then it might be quite good:


"Like the book, the movie is expected to focus on what happened to the men after the famous battle. The men in the photo--three were killed during the battle--were proclaimed heroes and flown home, to become reluctant symbols. For two of them, the adulation was shattering. Only John Bradley truly survived, displaying no copy of the famous photograph in his home, telling his son only: "The real heroes of Iwo Jima were the guys who didn't come back."

The movie script for Flags of Our Fathers will try to show the difference between truth and myth, the meaning of being a hero, and the essence of the human experience of war. "

Waldo.Pepper
08-05-2006, 03:27 PM
For two of them, the adulation was shattering.


For its time the Ira Hayes (Tony Curtis starring) was excellent.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0055270/

Heavy_Metal1982
08-05-2006, 03:42 PM
This movie has Adam Beach, he was in that movie windtalkers. Ummm other than that, no big name actors in this, but still you can have a quality film with no name actors. I'll give this film a shot, as long as it doesn't shove the American flag down my throat I'll be fine with it.

Bearcat99
08-05-2006, 04:27 PM
Yeah.. been looking forward to this one.... Eastwood is a class act as a director... He has come a long way since Rowdy Yates.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
Im sorry i dont share the enthusiasm. Look at the cast! These are guys who some years ago did cheesy romantic comedies, B-horror movies and rotten tv shows. I mean, I dont get excited by the quality of an actor that has 'acted' in Walker:Texas Ranger & "First Wave".

Nah it will propably be another "purdy boy" hero flagwaving/saluting warmovie typical of Hollywood. Pearl Harbour on land i say. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif I know the book propably tells another story, but cmon... do we need a SPR II?


Originally posted by skabbe:
OH I wanted so much a ww2 movie, but looks like chees on US flag movie again. hope not!

Then dont go see the movie. The book was about U.S. Marines http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif so it stands to reason in my small little mind that the movie even if loosely based on the book which I doubt since Eastwood is directing it and he is one generation removed from the subject matter... LMAO... here you guys go again..... you all must be related to Karnak... since you seem to know what Hollywood will produce before it even comes out.... I CANT WAIT FOR THE FEW TO COME OUT!!!!! Whhoooooo hoooo then we will reallysee some wailing and gnashing of teeth on these boards..... ROFLMAO!!!!!

p1ngu666
08-05-2006, 04:29 PM
yeah, i agree on the flags thing, lotsa flags is scary http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

RCAF_Irish_403
08-05-2006, 04:33 PM
before you cast stone, do a little research.

It's a movie about the effects of war on survivors.

darkhorizon11
08-05-2006, 05:56 PM
So is the the Band of Brothers Pacific project its been rumored Spielberg is working on?

VMF-214_HaVoK
08-05-2006, 06:37 PM
This forum never ceases to amaze me. There are some of the most negative and pessimistic people that I have ever witnessed in my 32 years of life. It does not matter if its a patch, game or movie and especially if its American. There has not even been a trailer and you are already quick to bash it. I feel sorry for your children if you have any.

p1ngu666
08-05-2006, 06:59 PM
us europeans see similarties between current mass flag omg more flags please parts of america, and past regimes around the world that where flag heavy.

its like the other one, paintings of national leader(s) everywhere. the more paintings and flags u have, the worse that regime probably is.

in the UK, theres been a rise in flags, while the government is getting worse.

Heavy_Metal1982
08-05-2006, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
So is the the Band of Brothers Pacific project its been rumored Spielberg is working on?

No it's not the same. As far as I know, 'The Pacific War' has been announced, but is still in production. I'm really looking forward to this mini series since it's the same team that brought band of brothers to TV (excellent series btw). It's on IMDB if you want to check it out:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0374463/

WWMaxGunz
08-05-2006, 10:26 PM
Love my country, love the flag and absolutely HATE what many people have been doing to it.
They buy a small one and tie it to the antenna then leave it there rain or shine, night
into day, ripped into sheds and a little remnant that tells me just how patriotic they
really are. It's degrading. It puts the flag and the country beneath their petty desires
and laziness. Look at me, I'm patriotic for 3 whole dollars and 5 seconds work. After
that I can't be bothered. I've earned the right, blah-blah-etc.

Burning the flag is a greater sign of respect for a citizen here to do. It's over quicker
and they aren't using it while tearing it down. There used to be LAWS against those actions.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

People expecting Hollyweird to screw up a film is not anti-American. It's sensible.
Consider the tragedy on history that is that last Pearl Harbor movie.

But then considering Unforgiven and Clint's late works where he got to where he had enough
say, this movie may well come out very good so I'll wait.

fordfan25
08-05-2006, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
This forum never ceases to amaze me. There are some of the most negative and pessimistic people that I have ever witnessed in my 32 years of life. It does not matter if its a patch, game or movie and especially if its American. There has not even been a trailer and you are already quick to bash it. I feel sorry for your children if you have any. yea i was not at all amazed at how quick the bashers were. if its made in the USA, got the USA flag in it and its not on fire then its auto bashing time. as if there wernt the typ hero flag waveing as thay say in BoB and dos boot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Professor_1942
08-06-2006, 12:02 AM
I read the book and it sucked, so I don't expect anything better from the movie.

Professor_1942
08-06-2006, 01:04 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
You can read? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Excuse me?

F19_Olli72
08-06-2006, 02:45 AM
When i said "flagwaving/saluting warmovie" i meant it in a very non political way (i thought it was obvious, but i guess i expected too much). What i was talking about is the manner Hollywood has adapted it (the dramaturgy) in warmovies, Its so banal and predictable. Specially after SPR you can count on any Hollywood warmovie having at least one of these scenes in it:

# You need an old guy telling his son/grandson how he is not really a hero but his buddies were (but of course we, the audience all know he is a hero, just cos of that reason that he denies beeing one). Preferably in front of a grave, monument or another symbol of the men..could be a photoalbum etc, cue tapto or some other militaristic 'sad' music written by John Williams...and the old guy salutes.

# One of the guys get killed. But he doesnt die right away. First he must: Be really scared and start crying/calling for mama/tell his friend that he has his blessing for dating/marrying his girl. (Now we know he was a real hero, because even though he cried and was scared he gave his life. We learn that even heroes are scared, but that doesnt make them less heroic...but maybe even a bit more heroic. And even better if he passes on his girl to his friend. Now, he has made the ultimate sacrifice.)

Movies/tv series either one or both of these scenes were in: SPR, Pearl Harbour, The Thin Red Line, Band of Brothers etc. And I bet we'll see at least one of those scenes in Flags of Our Fathers.

No offence Bearcat, it is very predictable. The question to be asked is who here doesnt find Hollywood predictable? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Funny thing is, its more common nowdays than in the Hollywood propganda movies made during WW2 (including the John Wayne movies). Or compare Never So Few (1959) with Frank Sinatra; the 'death scene' is free of all those traits. Of course its not an american soldier who dies, he's just a Kachin resistance fighter. But he is an ally (and therefore a hero), though he never passes on his girlfriend, cries or calls for mama. He just mellowly chats with Capt.Tom Reynolds (Frank Sinatra) smoking a cigarette before passing away.

Hollywood warmovies was better in the 1930s - 1950s, thats what i think and im sticking to it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

F19_Orheim
08-06-2006, 03:48 AM
LOL eloquently said Olli. I just have to agree. But still don't bash it until you have seen it, or read the reviews. Please bash the cast/producers/directors though, for their earlier work

Eastwood hasn't directed a decent film since -97, I don't care if Million Dollar Baby got Oscars, it was cheesy like hell. But lets hope he will make a final effort, making his departure from the film industry a success. These two films (also the follow up with the same theatre from Jap side "Red Sun, Black Sand") will probably be he last, the guy is almost 80 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PS. Why so many guys from Iceland in the cast????
Andri Sigur√?sson
Gunnarr Baldursson
Mark√¬ļs Benediktsson
Sverrir Bj√¬∂rgvinsson
R√¬ļrik Karl Bj√¬∂rnsson
Ingimar Bj√¬∂rn Dav√¬*√?son
Bj√¬∂rgvin Franz G√¬*slason
Sigurdur Hilmar Gudjonsson
Fannar Gu√?mundsson
Andr√©s √Ňĺ√¬≥r Halld√¬≥rsson
Einar Haraldson
Stef√°n Har√?arson
J√¬≥n Bj√¬∂rgvin Hilmarsson
Darri Ingolfsson
J√¬≥hann G. J√¬≥hannsson
Stef√°n Sm√°ri Kristinsson
Bjarni P√°ll Kristj√°nsson
Leifur Magnusson
Sindri Magn√¬ļsson
÷rn ”lafsson
Gr√©tar Sigur√?sson
Leifur Arnkell Skarph√©√?insson
H√¬∂r√?ur P√°ll Stef√°nsson
J√¬≥n Ingi Stef√°nsson
”lafur Torfason
Robert Vignisson
Vignir J. Vignisson
R√¬ļnar Freyr √Ňĺorsteinsson


Did they have a sale at Wallmart Reykjav√¬*k on tall blond scandinavians????

Did Eastwood buy a summerhouse at √Ňĺingvallavatn?

Are there no more well built blond Americans (too many Bif Macshttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) left it the film industry?

or is it maybe filmed on Iceland??????? There ARE areas on Iceland that could easliy be taken for a remote barren island.

F19_Ob
08-06-2006, 04:43 AM
Olli, U frkn show-off! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
U just have to overshine me in every field, don't U!?
What kind of brother are U??!!

FRKN showoff! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Feathered_IV
08-06-2006, 04:51 AM
Originally posted by Professor_1942:

Excuse me?

Sorry, that was out of line. I was being a smart arse. I apologise for that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

(Post deleted)

Udidtoo
08-06-2006, 05:03 AM
Has anyone ever tried to get a accurate count of the unemployed movie critics who also happen to be flight simmers and clairvoyant? Then factor in that many if not all of them post here...the odds must be staggering.

RCAF_Irish_403
08-06-2006, 05:31 AM
Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
LOL eloquently said Olli. I just have to agree. But still don't bash it until you have seen it, or read the reviews. Please bash the cast/producers/directors though, for their earlier work

Eastwood hasn't directed a decent film since -97, I don't care if Million Dollar Baby got Oscars, it was cheesy like hell. But lets hope he will make a final effort, making his departure from the film industry a success. These two films (also the follow up with the same theatre from Jap side "Red Sun, Black Sand") will probably be he last, the guy is almost 80 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PS. Why so many guys from Iceland in the cast????
Andri Sigur√?sson
Gunnarr Baldursson
Mark√¬ļs Benediktsson
Sverrir Bj√¬∂rgvinsson
R√¬ļrik Karl Bj√¬∂rnsson
Ingimar Bj√¬∂rn Dav√¬*√?son
Bj√¬∂rgvin Franz G√¬*slason
Sigurdur Hilmar Gudjonsson
Fannar Gu√?mundsson
Andr√©s √Ňĺ√¬≥r Halld√¬≥rsson
Einar Haraldson
Stef√°n Har√?arson
J√¬≥n Bj√¬∂rgvin Hilmarsson
Darri Ingolfsson
J√¬≥hann G. J√¬≥hannsson
Stef√°n Sm√°ri Kristinsson
Bjarni P√°ll Kristj√°nsson
Leifur Magnusson
Sindri Magn√¬ļsson
÷rn ”lafsson
Gr√©tar Sigur√?sson
Leifur Arnkell Skarph√©√?insson
H√¬∂r√?ur P√°ll Stef√°nsson
J√¬≥n Ingi Stef√°nsson
”lafur Torfason
Robert Vignisson
Vignir J. Vignisson
R√¬ļnar Freyr √Ňĺorsteinsson


Did they have a sale at Wallmart Reykjav√¬*k on tall blond scandinavians????

Did Eastwood buy a summerhouse at √Ňĺingvallavatn?

Are there no more well built blond Americans (too many Bif Macshttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) left it the film industry?

or is it maybe filmed on Iceland??????? There ARE areas on Iceland that could easliy be taken for a remote barren island.

I believe large chunks of the movie were filmed in Iceland

F19_Olli72
08-06-2006, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by Udidtoo:
Has anyone ever tried to get a accurate count of the unemployed movie critics who also happen to be flight simmers and clairvoyant? Then factor in that many if not all of them post here...the odds must be staggering.

Takes one to know one:


Originally posted by Udidtoo:
What I liked most was that it shows that "Heroes" are not men a cut above who never feel fear.

On the contrary it illustrates that bravery isn't the abseance of fear but the ability to continue on in the face of fear.

.....and Debaer, that incident along with 90% of the series is well documented from war records of Both sides. Just because you don't find it fitting your prefered image doesn't take away from the facts.

Far from painting the Germans as idiots I think it does a great job of humanizing them, a far cry fron the "evil nazi scum" they are usually portrayed as. I particulerly like the Officer telling his troops what an honor it was for him to have led them. Also after the surrender when the G.I's and Germans are checking I'd's and directing traffic. The German is portrayed as a very down to earth guy who has seen more than his share and is just weary of it all and more than happy to just not be shooting and being shot at. Better to share a smoke and get on with life.

..............................
I always have just enough fuel to arrive at the scene of my crash.

Or, I guess you must be an employed movie critic then http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

joeap
08-06-2006, 06:31 AM
He made some good points Olli72, however I would like to add we are ALL movie critics and have EVERY right to be. We pay money and watch films and are jsut as qualified to say whether we like them or not. Those among us with some more brains can give reasons and/or write better that is all.

Udidtoo
08-06-2006, 07:26 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif\
Must of hit a nerve up there with someone to have to do research. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

You shouldn't take it so personal Olli. My post was aimed more at this general ubi poster. The following is my interpretation of roughly 93.6% of the posts regarding movies over 5 years at Ubi.

" Well, its made by Americans and that sucks for starters, because well, I think they suck and the movies they all like are well suckish. They will be about them winning BoB and deciphering the Enigma yada yada yada yada suck yadayadayada Yanks suck bla bla bla bla"

You see that's what's really predictable around this place. Wanna make a bet? In 2 or 3 years when we've had BoB for awhile and we have a new crop of players thinking their insights are fresh and the same old long timers bandying the same tired spam here I bet you I can make up a thread, title it 'New movie' and before it reaches bottom of page 1 someone will just bash the living shet out of it. Not really the same as giving it an honest critique is it. it would explain why they are unemployed though. See you in 2 or 3 years m8, unless you become unpredictable in the interim.

Chefboy1972
08-06-2006, 07:42 AM
Clint Eastwood is also filming Black Sand Red Sun concurrently. Same move but from the Japanese perspective. Starring Ken Wantanabe.

F19_Orheim
08-06-2006, 07:45 AM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
This forum never ceases to amaze me. There are some of the most negative and pessimistic people that I have ever witnessed in my 32 years of life. It does not matter if its a patch, game or movie and especially if its American. There has not even been a trailer and you are already quick to bash it. I feel sorry for your children if you have any. yea i was not at all amazed at how quick the bashers were. if its made in the USA, got the USA flag in it and its not on fire then its auto bashing time. as if there wernt the typ hero flag waveing as thay say in BoB and dos boot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

U have to be able to take those things. That is how it is to be the big brother matehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

F19_Olli72
08-06-2006, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by Udidtoo:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif\
Must of hit a nerve up there with someone to have to do research. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

You shouldn't take it so personal Olli. My post was aimed more at this general ubi poster. The following is my interpretation of roughly 93.6% of the posts regarding movies over 5 years at Ubi.

" Well, its made by Americans and that sucks for starters, because well, I think they suck and the movies they all like are well suckish. They will be about them winning BoB and deciphering the Enigma yada yada yada yada suck yadayadayada Yanks suck bla bla bla bla"

You see that's what's really predictable around this place. Wanna make a bet? In 2 or 3 years when we've had BoB for awhile and we have a new crop of players thinking their insights are fresh and the same old long timers bandying the same tired spam here I bet you I can make up a thread, title it 'New movie' and before it reaches bottom of page 1 someone will just bash the living shet out of it. Not really the same as giving it an honest critique is it. it would explain why they are unemployed though. See you in 2 or 3 years m8, unless you become unpredictable in the interim.

Hey Udidtoo, its an interesting point of view but i dont see what it has to do with anything of my post(s). I did a small analysis with a thesis and arguments why the movie will propably turn out a certain way.

So far no one has made counter arguments. Ive had some folks call me antiamerican, negative, pessimistic and clairvoyant. But thats all.

heywooood
08-06-2006, 10:03 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
Love my country, love the flag and absolutely HATE what many people have been doing to it.
They buy a small one and tie it to the antenna then leave it there rain or shine, night
into day, ripped into sheds and a little remnant that tells me just how patriotic they
really are. It's degrading. It puts the flag and the country beneath their petty desires
and laziness. Look at me, I'm patriotic for 3 whole dollars and 5 seconds work. After
that I can't be bothered. I've earned the right, blah-blah-etc.

Burning the flag is a greater sign of respect for a citizen here to do. It's over quicker
and they aren't using it while tearing it down. There used to be LAWS against those actions.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Pingu also makes a great point - and I stopped counting how many times I stopped to pick up an antenna flag that had fallen off some patriots car and was left lying in the gutter after 9/11
I have some of them neatly folded in a drawer in my desk at work as a reminder of that laziness and false patriotism.
Who decided to turn away from Bin Laden and go instead to Iraq?
Who exposed Valerie Plame and did considerable damage to the CIA at the most crucial time in its history??
What happened (and is still happening) after Katrina??

Where are the true patriots in America? I have boxes and boxes full of their flags and more that I had to dispose of because they were beyond ruined.

Warrington_Wolf
08-06-2006, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by papotex:
well heres to add to your exitment...

this is a colaboration of Clint eastwood AND Steven spielbelg...how do you like them apples

hehe

If Spielberg is involved then I reckon it will be a cracker. Please remember that he made Saving Private Ryan, Shindlers List and Empire of the sun. All these are great films,and I don't remember any flag waving treacly hollywood type **** in any one of the three mentioned above.
I too want to see movies regarding the British and comenwealth involvment in ww2, but the actions of our allies also need (and must) be brought to the masses.
I for one am looking forward to the release of this movie. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

skabbe
08-06-2006, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
LOL eloquently said Olli. I just have to agree. But still don't bash it until you have seen it, or read the reviews. Please bash the cast/producers/directors though, for their earlier work

Eastwood hasn't directed a decent film since -97, I don't care if Million Dollar Baby got Oscars, it was cheesy like hell. But lets hope he will make a final effort, making his departure from the film industry a success. These two films (also the follow up with the same theatre from Jap side "Red Sun, Black Sand") will probably be he last, the guy is almost 80 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PS. Why so many guys from Iceland in the cast????
Andri Sigur√?sson
Gunnarr Baldursson
Mark√¬ļs Benediktsson
Sverrir Bj√¬∂rgvinsson
R√¬ļrik Karl Bj√¬∂rnsson
Ingimar Bj√¬∂rn Dav√¬*√?son
Bj√¬∂rgvin Franz G√¬*slason
Sigurdur Hilmar Gudjonsson
Fannar Gu√?mundsson
Andr√©s √Ňĺ√¬≥r Halld√¬≥rsson
Einar Haraldson
Stef√°n Har√?arson
J√¬≥n Bj√¬∂rgvin Hilmarsson
Darri Ingolfsson
J√¬≥hann G. J√¬≥hannsson
Stef√°n Sm√°ri Kristinsson
Bjarni P√°ll Kristj√°nsson
Leifur Magnusson
Sindri Magn√¬ļsson
÷rn ”lafsson
Gr√©tar Sigur√?sson
Leifur Arnkell Skarph√©√?insson
H√¬∂r√?ur P√°ll Stef√°nsson
J√¬≥n Ingi Stef√°nsson
”lafur Torfason
Robert Vignisson
Vignir J. Vignisson
R√¬ļnar Freyr √Ňĺorsteinsson


Did they have a sale at Wallmart Reykjav√¬*k on tall blond scandinavians????

Did Eastwood buy a summerhouse at √Ňĺingvallavatn?

Are there no more well built blond Americans (too many Bif Macshttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) left it the film industry?

or is it maybe filmed on Iceland??????? There ARE areas on Iceland that could easliy be taken for a remote barren island.

You are stupid in the head if you think million dollar baby is cheesy. it might be a standard setting for a succesfull storytelling, but its not cheesy, sense its puching the question about death-help in US...

Anyhow, you Americans maybe should settle down a bit. I think even you would‚¬īnt like one more chees-on-flag movie. I dont care if its France or England who waves a flag, just stop it and make good movie insted. Why spend 30 minutes on such a dead thing as a flag insted of depict the human will, morale and compassion for exampel. MUCH more interesting. So for my part I just hope its not one of those waste of time movies

Udidtoo
08-06-2006, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Udidtoo:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif\
Must of hit a nerve up there with someone to have to do research. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

You shouldn't take it so personal Olli. My post was aimed more at this general ubi poster. The following is my interpretation of roughly 93.6% of the posts regarding movies over 5 years at Ubi.

" Well, its made by Americans and that sucks for starters, because well, I think they suck and the movies they all like are well suckish. They will be about them winning BoB and deciphering the Enigma yada yada yada yada suck yadayadayada Yanks suck bla bla bla bla"

You see that's what's really predictable around this place. Wanna make a bet? In 2 or 3 years when we've had BoB for awhile and we have a new crop of players thinking their insights are fresh and the same old long timers bandying the same tired spam here I bet you I can make up a thread, title it 'New movie' and before it reaches bottom of page 1 someone will just bash the living shet out of it. Not really the same as giving it an honest critique is it. it would explain why they are unemployed though. See you in 2 or 3 years m8, unless you become unpredictable in the interim.

Hey Udidtoo, its an interesting point of view but i dont see what it has to do with anything of my post(s). I did a small analysis with a thesis and arguments why the movie will propably turn out a certain way.

So far no one has made counter arguments. Ive had some folks call me antiamerican, negative, pessimistic and clairvoyant. But thats all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I assumed that by saying you shouldn't take it personal I was making it obvious that it 'Doesn't' have anything to do with your post per se. You seem to have assumed my original post was aimed at you personally. See what happens when we assume.

It might interest you to know that I happen to agree with most of what you pose as the formula Hollyweird will use to put butts in the seats. Instead of countering you thesis I'd really like to know what sort of formula you would use to put butts in the seats if it was your project.

Now , you do please, have to stay realistic and honest because I don't think any reasonable person here thinks they could go to a financier and say something like "Look, I want to make a war movie." "One that is devoid of sentimental BS and patriotic bents." "Its going to stick to the facts as they transpired." "I want it to appeal to about 5 million sticklers for historical accuracy worldwide"

You would get a blank stare from said financier/s I would imagine or incredulous laughter because unpleasant as it may be to us sticklers for historical accuracy that is way down the line when they are planning "their next big flick" because it doesn't put enough butts in the seats.

You've shown a reasonable argument for why you think the movie will be another predictable Go Americans, sappy emotional overdone piece O poo. I would like to hear your idea for what would be a worthwhile movie But, its an automatic scratch if its not going to sell tickets because you have to be able to convince someone to foot the bill.

BTW, I'm not accusing you of anything but wanting to see a better war movie. So, What's the right formula?

Oh yes, I still bet I can start that thread an get that same kneejerk response in 2 or 3 years, never said it would be from you .

Bo_Nidle
08-06-2006, 11:24 AM
Its going to be kind of hard to make a film about Iwo Jima and not make it "flag waving" pro -American. After all it was American forces emerging victorious from one of the most vicious battles of the Second World War and arguably the United States Marine Corps finest hour.

Eastwood has emerged as one of the best directors around.The cast of relative unknowns serves the film well in that there should be no preconceptions of characters.

I do not understand this constant US-bashing (we Brits are the worst offenders for this)when they make a film or TV series showing the heroic endeavours of their troops. It appears that in the UK we are now so cynical that we can only make films of disastrous events or incidents of a somewhat unsavoury nature. Flag waving in the UK is looked upon as being in the same taste as goose stepping past Buckingham Palace.

We have a vast amount of heroic actions that could be made into superb films but I think the last time we were showed in a positive light was in 1968 with the "Battle of Britain". Where are the films about Pegasus Bridge, the Chindits, the commando raid on St Nazaire, Operation Jericho, Monte Casino...the list is endless. Do we get these made into films? Of course not because this would be "jingoistic" and everyone knows that "patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" (which was said by Samuel Johnson who, oddly enough, was British).

When I was in Florida last year one of the first thing that struck me was the immense pride Americans have in their country. You cannot turn around without seeing the American flag and I say "Good for them". It was a pleasant change to see pride in ones country instead of being classed as a neo-nazi because you would like to see the your countries flag flying but you can't because it might offend someone, somewhere, somehow. I wish to God that the UK could display such pride.

So in short if the film does "salute the flag" I see nothing wrong with it.After the nightmare of Iwo Jima they've earned it.

Aaron_GT
08-06-2006, 12:33 PM
Clint Eastwood is a great director, especially of slow-burning stuff, so it could be good. Of course a great director, book, or screenplay don't mean that a good film is a certainty, but it has a fighting chance (no pun intended) at least.

Aaron_GT
08-06-2006, 12:43 PM
It appears that in the UK we are now so cynical that we can only make films of disastrous events or incidents of a somewhat unsavoury nature.

There's the remake of the Dambusters. (Although to be honest I don't think the original needs to be remade - it is fine as it is, and I'd rather see a new film rather than all the remakes we seem to get).


We have a vast amount of heroic actions that could be made into superb films but I think the last time we were showed in a positive light was in 1968 with the "Battle of Britain". Where are the films about Pegasus Bridge, the Chindits, the commando raid on St Nazaire, Operation Jericho, Monte Casino...the list is endless.

It's about funding. Even 'British' films such as the Harry Potter films aren't actually funded by Britain, but largely by US studios. So something like Harry Potter will get made because you can't pass up the potential to make money, but other films will tend to be aimed at the market that will make the most money, and the USA has 5 times the population and a film about Pegasus Bridge probably wouldn't put enough bums on seat in either the USA or Europe to justify the cost.

Some films about British triumphs do get made, of course, but they are things like Enigma with relatively low costs and consequently lower risk should they not do well. The same is true in Europe. If you look at Downfall, it is a great film, but a relatively cheap one as it needed a few sets for the bunker, and some rubble filled streets and not much more.

Conversely lots of 'US' films are actually done on sound stages or sets in the UK. A lot of crew and effort behind Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers was from the UK (even if parts were filmed in Ireland). We even had unlikely British actors such as Simon Pegg turning up!

Bo_Nidle
08-06-2006, 01:37 PM
I agree with what you say AaronGt. I'm not saying we can't do it in this country, it just seems there is a lack of will to do it. I am looking forwards to the Dambusters film as I think it will renew interest in the events for a new generation who may be turned off by the original due to its age.

We certainly have the technical talent which is why so many big budget films are made over here. Both saving Private Ryan (One of my all time favourite flms) and Band of Brothers (my favourite TV series) were filmed in the UK with the town sets being built at RAF Northolt for both.

Its not that we can't its the fact that we seem so reluctant.

Aaron_GT
08-06-2006, 04:07 PM
I think the reluctance/problem is in funding. British films barely get funded at all. I am not sure, based on funding, if even Bend It Like Beckham was British funded, and that didn't require a big budget for special effects of set piece scenes with hundreds of extras. So if you have non-UK funding there is going to be an interest in making the appeal wide enough to appeal to enough non-British bums to turn a decent profit.

This having been said I think a major US WW2 film comes along maybe every couple of years. Based purely on population that would mean a UK one every decade to match the per capita WW2 film production rate. We're probably down on that rate, but it would only take us a couple in the next decade to put us close to being on track. The new Dambusters is one, so one other and we'd be doing ok again. This having been said our most prolific film maker that does seem to get mostly British funding in Ken Loach, and I am not sure he'd be the director to pull off the Pegasus Bridge story (although that's been done already, anyway).

Doolittle81
08-06-2006, 05:13 PM
With regard to movies about WWII which do not invlove American actions/participants, keep an eye out for this one...anticipated to be released within the next75 days or so....all U.K. actors/characters:

http://downloads.meyeuniverse.com/cfp/FHC_POSTER3+3BLUE_Malta.jpg

Faith, Hope, and Charity Slideshow (http://downloads.meyeuniverse.com/cfp/teaser/FH&Cslideshow.zip)



With regard to "Flags of Our Fathers":

Semper Fi (http://members.cox.net/fliegeroffizier/SandsOne.WMV)

Plunkertx
08-07-2006, 11:39 AM
"Flags of Our Fathers" script was written by anti-war/Canadian screenwriter Paul Haggis, who won an Oscar for CRASH.

Clint Eastwood specifically said that this "won't be another bullsh*t John Wayne film".

spiffyscimitar
08-07-2006, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by Doolittle81:
With regard to movies about WWII which do not invlove American actions/participants, keep an eye out for this one...anticipated to be released within the next75 days or so....all U.K. actors/characters:

Faith, Hope, and Charity Slideshow (http://downloads.meyeuniverse.com/cfp/teaser/FH&Cslideshow.zip)



You dirty SOB. I was getting all excited, looking it up on IMDB, trying to get release dates and more details. My mother's Maltese and has all kinds of stories from her parents who survived the war and bombings, so I'm anxious to see it on film.

Anyways, hopefully this new director JOE90 and THRUSTMASTER will do a good job http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Warrington_Wolf
08-07-2006, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
Its going to be kind of hard to make a film about Iwo Jima and not make it "flag waving" pro -American. After all it was American forces emerging victorious from one of the most vicious battles of the Second World War and arguably the United States Marine Corps finest hour.

Eastwood has emerged as one of the best directors around.The cast of relative unknowns serves the film well in that there should be no preconceptions of characters.

I do not understand this constant US-bashing (we Brits are the worst offenders for this)when they make a film or TV series showing the heroic endeavours of their troops. It appears that in the UK we are now so cynical that we can only make films of disastrous events or incidents of a somewhat unsavoury nature. Flag waving in the UK is looked upon as being in the same taste as goose stepping past Buckingham Palace.

We have a vast amount of heroic actions that could be made into superb films but I think the last time we were showed in a positive light was in 1968 with the "Battle of Britain". Where are the films about Pegasus Bridge, the Chindits, the commando raid on St Nazaire, Operation Jericho, Monte Casino...the list is endless. Do we get these made into films? Of course not because this would be "jingoistic" and everyone knows that "patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" (which was said by Samuel Johnson who, oddly enough, was British).

When I was in Florida last year one of the first thing that struck me was the immense pride Americans have in their country. You cannot turn around without seeing the American flag and I say "Good for them". It was a pleasant change to see pride in ones country instead of being classed as a neo-nazi because you would like to see the your countries flag flying but you can't because it might offend someone, somewhere, somehow. I wish to God that the UK could display such pride.

So in short if the film does "salute the flag" I see nothing wrong with it.After the nightmare of Iwo Jima they've earned it.

Agreed, Im British and I too am fed up with this anti-USA ****.
They were and are still our allies and they were and are still bloody good allies to have.
Movies like these need to be made because the experiences of these brave people need to be remembered, after all when the last veteran goes who will be there to tell their story.
I for one don't care how many movies are made about the USA's involvement during ww2, as long as the movie is accurate I have no cause to complain.

P.S.
I still think that Pearl Harbour was cack http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif.

WWMaxGunz
08-07-2006, 02:47 PM
We have different kinds of war movies.

One is the glory of war, let's all go and be heroes type.
Another is the war is bad, let's stop now type.
There are others, yes.

Wasn't The Four Feathers a British production?
And All Quiet on the Western Front... maker had to leave Germany over that one.

America is mostly still Euro blood and ways but with Hollyweird the money twists everything.
Also the Puritan ethic meets the anti-Puritan ethic, what can be shown widely and what many
people want because it can't. You want the G rating then it has to be PC-candy coated with
the bad guys very distinguishable, don't want to confuse the kiddies or the simple-minded
voters. Don't want anyone walking out with doubts, the must be certain of The Message so
they can properly arrange their view of life and current events Correctly. That's what it
takes to be a Good Movie (TM).

What can I say? Reality without blinders is way beyond what we usually get -- anywhere.

WWMaxGunz
08-07-2006, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by Warrington_Wolf:
P.S.
I still think that Pearl Harbour was cack http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif.

Pearl Harbor movie was gagging cack!

Reality is different. Two P-40 pilots did get to their planes rebased from Wheeler Field
next to Schofield Barracks clear down to ... it says Haleiwa but the only strip close to there
is Dillingham which is on the other side of Waialua. Perspective; maybe 2 miles away with
few roads and Haleiwa is the 'bigger' town not far at all north from Schofield and a good hairy
ride downhill if you crank it, it's a 1000 ft drop. Website has the 2 pilots making the run
in a jeep while being strafed at and bombed at in 9 minutes which is pretty good speed as the
roads do not run direct. IE, very close. So they got airborn and fought in the north only
up near a rugged mountain range and one Val chased off the coast. They even did land and
rearm at Wheeler then took off and fought again.
George Welch is credited with four kills and Ken Taylor credited with three. Taylor was
wounded and Welch's plane was shot up twice, once before they landed and re-armed. Welch
was screwed for the MOH by reason of "they took off without proper authorization" by his
higher ups in the COC... hey he was from a rich family (Welches Grape Juice) and the same
higher-ups were looking bad over their command decisions on deployments -- planes bunched
together to make em easier to guard against sabotage. Welch is also the pilot who was
supposed to have broke mach one a week before Yeager in a P-86 Sabre (prototype) but it was
unofficial and unintended and the evidence is not solid... plus there seem to have been
some rank that just never liked the guy. For the action on 12/7/41 both he and Taylor
should have gotten MOH's and been paraded --- yeah, 'worse' than the stupid movie, huh?

Well perhaps it would have subtracted from the outrage angle that was played to the hilt
at the time. The dastardly attack was to have been total. Funny how Naval Intel knew of
the attack well ahead of time, to the day. How all Sunday shore passes were cancelled that
day when normally those guys would be in church. How the carriers and destroyers were
suddenly out on maneuvers right about when the attack fleet was beginning to close. How
the Japanese envoys in DC were held up even as their messages from Japan were decrypted
as the parts came in. We didn't need heroes. We needed to get into the war and that did
need a big change in attitude countrywide. You won't find that on the big screen. Too
much reality might confuse people and leave them difficult to manipulate.

There were also 5 P-35's that got up and one kill credited to them... looks like they were
all shot down.

Plunkertx
08-16-2006, 10:54 AM
Trailer released:

http://www.flagsofourfathers.net/

DuxCorvan
08-16-2006, 11:47 AM
Mmmm, the thing looks good, and it reminds me of 'Tora tora tora' in that it seems to see the thing from both sides. This ain't looking flag-wavering ultranationalistic stuff to me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Frequent_Flyer
08-16-2006, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
Its going to be kind of hard to make a film about Iwo Jima and not make it "flag waving" pro -American. After all it was American forces emerging victorious from one of the most vicious battles of the Second World War and arguably the United States Marine Corps finest hour.

Eastwood has emerged as one of the best directors around.The cast of relative unknowns serves the film well in that there should be no preconceptions of characters.

I do not understand this constant US-bashing (we Brits are the worst offenders for this)when they make a film or TV series showing the heroic endeavours of their troops. It appears that in the UK we are now so cynical that we can only make films of disastrous events or incidents of a somewhat unsavoury nature. Flag waving in the UK is looked upon as being in the same taste as goose stepping past Buckingham Palace.

We have a vast amount of heroic actions that could be made into superb films but I think the last time we were showed in a positive light was in 1968 with the "Battle of Britain". Where are the films about Pegasus Bridge, the Chindits, the commando raid on St Nazaire, Operation Jericho, Monte Casino...the list is endless. Do we get these made into films? Of course not because this would be "jingoistic" and everyone knows that "patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" (which was said by Samuel Johnson who, oddly enough, was British).

When I was in Florida last year one of the first thing that struck me was the immense pride Americans have in their country. You cannot turn around without seeing the American flag and I say "Good for them". It was a pleasant change to see pride in ones country instead of being classed as a neo-nazi because you would like to see the your countries flag flying but you can't because it might offend someone, somewhere, somehow. I wish to God that the UK could display such pride.

So in short if the film does "salute the flag" I see nothing wrong with it.After the nightmare of Iwo Jima they've earned it. It is a refreshing change to read your sentiments.Very well said. If you ever vist the midwest, the Chicagoland area I'll buy you a cold one.

wiekiewiekie
08-16-2006, 11:45 PM
For those of you that like Saving Private Ryan (and I'm sure there are many of you), I can recommend this movie: Tae Guk Gi, sold as Brotherhood in the UK.
http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/taegukgithebrothe...n,2discs)/index.html (http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/taegukgithebrotherhoodofwar(specialedition,2discs)/index.html)

I consider it better than Saving Private Ryan in every respect. This is the first movie that I had to stop halfway because it was too much, it's very intense.

Plus it shows a different view on the Korean war, namely, the Korean perspective, not the western one.

Buy it, you won't regret it.

Don_Karnage
10-30-2006, 08:45 AM
I just saw it this past weekend. FANTASTIC war movie. You get to see some very nice renderings of world war 2 american fighter planes.

Im not as well versed as you guys on history and planes so Im not sure if it was a mustang or a spitfire or what, but fantastic movie. Then again I am american<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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flaming_onion
10-30-2006, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It appears that in the UK we are now so cynical that we can only make films of disastrous events or incidents of a somewhat unsavoury nature.

There's the remake of the Dambusters. (Although to be honest I don't think the original needs to be remade - it is fine as it is, and I'd rather see a new film rather than all the remakes we seem to get).


We have a vast amount of heroic actions that could be made into superb films but I think the last time we were showed in a positive light was in 1968 with the "Battle of Britain". Where are the films about Pegasus Bridge, the Chindits, the commando raid on St Nazaire, Operation Jericho, Monte Casino...the list is endless.

It's about funding. Even 'British' films such as the Harry Potter films aren't actually funded by Britain, but largely by US studios. So something like Harry Potter will get made because you can't pass up the potential to make money, but other films will tend to be aimed at the market that will make the most money, and the USA has 5 times the population and a film about Pegasus Bridge probably wouldn't put enough bums on seat in either the USA or Europe to justify the cost.

Some films about British triumphs do get made, of course, but they are things like Enigma with relatively low costs and consequently lower risk should they not do well. The same is true in Europe. If you look at Downfall, it is a great film, but a relatively cheap one as it needed a few sets for the bunker, and some rubble filled streets and not much more.

Conversely lots of 'US' films are actually done on sound stages or sets in the UK. A lot of crew and effort behind Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers was from the UK (even if parts were filmed in Ireland). We even had unlikely British actors such as Simon Pegg turning up! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

With Peter Jackson directing it, I shall be very interested to see the Dam-Busters remake. Is it being funded by a British studio?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">



"Hey Andrei, hold my vodka and watch this!"

BillyTheKid_22
10-30-2006, 02:31 PM
With regard to "Flags of Our Fathers":

Semper Fi (http://members.cox.net/fliegeroffizier/SandsOne.WMV)[/QUOTE] http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://members.cox.net/bkid/pacificfighters/p39.jpg

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"All I got was a bellyful of English Channel."

hening_880Sqn
10-30-2006, 07:33 PM
its like the other one, paintings of national leader(s) everywhere. the more paintings and flags u have, the worse that regime probably is.

in the UK, theres been a rise in flags, while the government is getting worse.

Yah sure. You can thank Islamic terrorists for the the surge of flags in the USA and UK. Funny how innocent people being blown up get a bigger reaction than "regimes".