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Kriebelerelf
04-29-2004, 02:47 PM

Kriebelerelf
04-29-2004, 02:47 PM

BaldieJr
04-29-2004, 02:51 PM
If MPH means "Mighty Potatoe Harvest", I'm all for it. I love fried taters and onions.

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Specs:
More expensive than the dining set.
Less expensive than the couch.
Smaller than the dishwasher.
Just as noisy as the refridgerator.
Faster than the cars' computer.
Less practical than the car.
Face it, people who put thier computer specs in thier signature are pretty ****ing wierd.

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darkhorizon11
04-29-2004, 02:51 PM
Why does it matter? Its just a number. Most aircraft measure their airspeed in KNOTS anyways nowadays.

Venom079
04-29-2004, 02:53 PM
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sorry man, but that pic is hilarious....LMFAO

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Smoky_161st
04-29-2004, 02:55 PM
Theres two type of flight simmers. The mentally insane and then theres the well equiped mentally insane.

heywooood
04-29-2004, 02:55 PM
Tenmike?

Gonna do a little fishing? ..

or do those boogie boarders look a little
terroristy?

noshens
04-29-2004, 02:56 PM
I saw a nice chop made with this picture:

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Venom079:
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sorry man, but that pic is hilarious....LMFAO

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BpGemini
04-29-2004, 02:56 PM
I don't care either way.

I'm American (U.S.) but work in Engineering so I see Metric and English daily.

Not to mention I don't host with Speed Bar on.
The gauges on the U.S. AC already read in MPH and Feet.

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Red_Russian13
04-29-2004, 02:57 PM
The USMC air wing personnel use knots (which is nautical miles per hour) for airspeed and feet for altitude.

I wouldn't mind having the speedbar and arcade mode have an option for knots and feet. But I would prefer keeping the cockpit original...even though I can't read German or Japanese very well, which makes it sometimes hard for me to find the proper instruments.

Just my two cents.

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Smoky_161st
04-29-2004, 02:58 PM
Thats the new port boats we got last year. 700,000 each. What a deal. Lmao.

Venom079
04-29-2004, 03:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by yay1:
I saw a nice chop made with this picture:

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Ready for battle...LMFAO again http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Thnx yay1 for the chop!

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EmbarkChief
04-29-2004, 03:08 PM
The first time I saw that pic was probably back in '98 and the caption read something like "Defense budget cut's hit home" and the dingy said Coast Gaurd on the side where it says Canada now.

Kriebelerelf
04-29-2004, 03:12 PM
the idea was ment mainly for the pit off view and the speed bar. so go with that.

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BpGemini
04-29-2004, 03:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kriebelerelf:
the idea was ment mainly for the pit off view and the speed bar. so go with that.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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DeerHunterUK
04-29-2004, 03:31 PM
I've become so used to metric in FB that it doesn't really bother me not having Imperial measurements anymore. Besides as pointed out it's in US\UK aircraft anyway.

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Bearcat99
04-29-2004, 03:40 PM
Thats not going to happen. I just go in the cockpit to check my gauges if I am in an open pit server. It helps to aquaint yourself with thiose gauges anyway.

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Fennec_P
04-29-2004, 03:56 PM
I believe Oleg said some time ago that the speedbar cannot be changed, because it repeats values from the engine, which is hardcoded to be metric. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Though, a solution might be to slow the USA planes down so much, that the speed in km/h matches the correct speed in mph.

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hos8367
04-29-2004, 04:00 PM
I would like to see an option that lets you select the speedbar output to be in metric or imperial measurements. It doesn't seem like it would be hard to implement. Even if it takes vaues directly from the engine, they would just need to be converted. I would agree that all guages should be left alone for realism.

crazyivan1970
04-29-2004, 04:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fennec_P:
I believe Oleg said some time ago that the speedbar cannot be changed, because it repeats values from the engine, which is hardcoded to be metric. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Though, a solution might be to slow the USA planes down so much, that the speed in km/h matches the correct speed in mph.
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CzechTexan
04-29-2004, 04:25 PM
I'd like to have it. As an average American who drives a car in MPH and gallons it would be easier to relate to. Average people do not use the metric system as it's like a foriegn language. I can do a rough conversion estimate in my head but it'd be easier not to have to think about converting metrics whereas MPH / gallons comes naturally without having to think about it.

I agree that the instrument panel wouldn't have to be changed but there could be a speedbar conversion. It shouldn't be too hard for the computer whizzes to do.



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TXTeenPilot
04-29-2004, 07:54 PM
I have a lot of trouble landing in IL-2. Being used to Flight Simulator and a landing speed of 130 kts., I come in at 130 km/h in a P-51, with the plane shuddering from its extreme closeness to stalling. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Its hard to get over, since, after playing Flight Simulator for several years, these things have been imbedded into my head.

Being impossible to convert seems hard for me to comprehend... however I'm not as gifted as Oleg is http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif , so I wouldn't know the diffuculty of it.

I have coped with the problem by trying to multiply altitude by 3.2 in my head.. I remember my first day with IL-2 I was angry at how the "crappy" Russian fighters couldn't get past 9000 "feet". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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georgeo76
04-29-2004, 08:33 PM
Man, they give you the speedbar (super HUD), they give you the wonder woman view, and you complain about the units these cheats use?

why don't you just ask for what you really want? A sophisticated, dogfighting autopilot and enemy kill button!

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rcorporon
04-29-2004, 08:41 PM
I'm Canadian, so metric is all I know.

Heck... if they used Metric in WWII (I know the Soviets did, eh?) then it should be in the sim.

Besides, every country on the planet (except "that" one) uses metric, so may as well appeal to the majority http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

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Weather_Man
04-29-2004, 09:29 PM
I'd be totally lost if I changed from metric now. Took a bit getting used to at first, but after a few years, it grows on you. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LeadSpitter_
04-29-2004, 09:46 PM
we should definatly have both choices

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Future-
04-30-2004, 03:14 AM
I totally disagree. If the output of speed and altitude would be individual (meaning every player can set it to either imperial or metric), this would sure add more confusion than it would prevent.

Imagine this:

Pilot 1: "I'm moving towards the enemy now"

Pilot 2: "What's your speed and altitude?"

Pilot 1: "speed 240 and alt 9000"

Pilot 2: *slightly surprised about the high alt* "Rgr, coming to meet up with ya"

10 minutes later

Pilot 2: "where are ya? can't find you anywhere up here"

Turns out poor Pilot 2 uses metric system, while Pilot 1 uses imperial.


Long story short: as far as I know, all countries except the USA use metric, so it's just ok if metric is used in the game. Besides, having ONE system also makes communication easier, not only in battle, but also in any other situation when it comes to naming numbers.

Besides, what's so difficult with metric at all? It's by far more simple than a "foreign language", you have to be extremely lazy if it's that difficult for you to adapt.

1 kilometer = 1000 meters
1 litre = 1000 millilitres

Why trade ONE - TWO working system for two - three others?

1 mile = about 1,6 kilometers?
1 feet = about 0,33 meters?
1 gallon = heck don't know, but allot more than 1 litre


Metric is fine, leave it alone.

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WOLFMondo
04-30-2004, 03:17 AM
It can be hard to write a small algorithm to convert the engine readouts into different systems. I'd personally like MPH although I can do the sum in my head to convert KPH to MPH i'd still prefer it if there was an option to display MPH.

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Capt.LoneRanger
04-30-2004, 03:45 AM
I mostly fly US-planes and I'm used to the ft / kts ph data, but well, I allready have those!? If you're not flying in wonder-woman-view, you can check the instruments and there you have your knots and feet. Would be a nice option, but it's really not neccessary, IMHO.

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Black Sheep
04-30-2004, 11:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rcorporon:
I'm Canadian, so metric is all I know.

Heck... if they used Metric in WWII (I know the Soviets did, eh?) then it should be in the sim.

Besides, every country on the planet (except "that" one) uses metric, so may as well appeal to the majority http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

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For what it's worth, we Brits also use good old Imperial units - inches, feet, gallons etc.

I'd like to see a choice too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TacticalYak3
04-30-2004, 11:21 AM
Good suggestion, provided the cockpit gauages remain as they should, and folks have the option to choose.

Being Canadian I prefer the metric system. Write to your congressman and adopt the international standard mate. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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remaxx
04-30-2004, 12:08 PM
I say let there be a conversion from Metric to Non-Metric AND from Non-Metric to Metric.

If I was a WWII US pilot I would know MPH, feet and so on.
If I was a WWII German pilot I would know km/h, metres and so on.

Same with the cockpits. If I was a Russian pilot I would be able to read Russian and thus understand the %$#* writing.

For some reason these Realism Freaks think that to make a GAME more realistic the languages and units must be the same. BUT in real life would a US pilot be flying a German plane and so on???

I think not. So you should be able to get the language and units to your preference!!

BpGemini
04-30-2004, 12:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TacticalYak3:
Being Canadian I prefer the metric system. Write to your congressman and adopt the international standard mate. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Being a Yankee and having more than one Canuck come to the States to work for our Engineering firm I must say they whined a lot. They did the whole "get with the rest of the world" soap box speech. I told them both to quit whining and learn how to convert.

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They same goes for all of you complaining now:

MPH to KMH: 1 = 1.609344 (round to 1.6 - close enough)
KMH to MPH: 1 = 0.6213712 (0.6)

Feet to Meters: 1 = 0.3048 (0.3)
Meters to Feet: 1 = 3.28084 (3.3)

Miles to Kilometers: 1 = 1.609344 (just like speed minus time {H} 1.6)
Kilometers to Miles: 1 = 0.6213712 (0.6)

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BaldieJr
04-30-2004, 12:50 PM
I count the volume of my fried tater consumption in board feet.

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Specs:
More expensive than the dining set.
Less expensive than the couch.
Smaller than the dishwasher.
Just as noisy as the refridgerator.
Faster than the cars' computer.
Less practical than the car.
Face it, people who put thier computer specs in thier signature are pretty ****ing wierd.

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LEXX_Luthor
04-30-2004, 01:22 PM
USA/Brit units is what USA/Brit pilots deal with so I Voted AGREE.

I have found during FM testing of these USA/Brit planes that I would like to have USA/Brit units in the speedbar.

USA/Brit units is what USA and Brit test pilots had to deal with in their laboratory--haha most exciting kind of lab you could work in.

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Future-
04-30-2004, 02:04 PM
So, if all US/Brit players vote for imperial, and all other countries' players vote for metric, guess what wins?

Metric!

I see no reason why a game should be adapted to the measurements that are prefferred by the smaller part of the community.

(read: why the heck should all the world always adapt to what brits 'n' americans want? will you invade our nations too if we don't do it?)

Besides, look at that conversion table that Gemini brought up:

"MPH to KMH: 1 = 1.609344 (round to 1.6 - close enough)
KMH to MPH: 1 = 0.6213712 (0.6)

Feet to Meters: 1 = 0.3048 (0.3)
Meters to Feet: 1 = 3.28084 (3.3)

Miles to Kilometers: 1 = 1.609344 (just like speed minus time {H} 1.6)
Kilometers to Miles: 1 = 0.6213712 (0.6)"

Now, once again, keep in mind that mostly ONLY brits and americans use imperial system. So why in the world do some people expect the rest of the world to use imperial, while metric is much more comfortable and -most important- more COMMON?

Besides, this game was made in a countrythat uses metric, and published by a companythat also comes from a country that uses metric. 'nuff said.

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HighRoller99
04-30-2004, 03:57 PM
Here's how I look at it. First off I am a real pilot flying in the US. All the aviation stuff I know is in feet and knots (or MPH) and everything I do in real aviation from traffic patterns to engine settings is in inches, feet, and knots so I usually fly American and British planes in the game just to keep things the same. If I do fly german planes though I enjoy learning the different guages which brings me to my point.

In a real WWII aircraft there is no floating digital readouts. I cant understand why "hardcore" flight simmers would have floating text to tell them what speed they are at. When I'm flying a real plane and I want to know how hard I'm running my engine I look at my manifold pressure and prop rpm. I want to do the same stuff in this sim that I do in real life not look at flying text out my window.

Isn't the point of a flight simulation to get the feel of flying different aircraft. I know I will probobly never fly a p-51 or a bf-109 so thats why I play this game. Half the fun of this game is leaning all the different cockpits and insturments. I even do complete checklists for the different phases of flight just for fun.

Any other pilots feel the same or am I just a aviation nerd??

CzechTexan
04-30-2004, 11:42 PM
The reason to add is the same as the English option is added for voices. It is to help the people who buy this product making it more enjoyable. If you speak English, do you fly with Russian voices on or English on?

The same goes for any other add-on for IL-2. It is done to make users happy.

Why does everyone always say this is whining when all it is is a suggestion to improve the game? I like the game the way it is but there are always new ways to improve it.



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Tully__
05-01-2004, 02:24 AM
Hmmm... no option for "I'm comfortable in either units and don't give a fat rat's..."

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05-01-2004, 02:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Moo.Cow:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rcorporon:
I'm Canadian, so metric is all I know.

Heck... if they used Metric in WWII (I know the Soviets did, eh?) then it should be in the sim.

Besides, every country on the planet (except "that" one) uses metric, so may as well appeal to the majority http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

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For what it's worth, we Brits also use good old Imperial units - inches, feet, gallons etc.

I'd like to see a choice too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's nice, but a US gallon aint the same as yours http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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05-01-2004, 02:36 AM
If you ask me, what would be nice is to have the speed bar in the same units as the cockpit instruments, but the arcade style TAS no cockpit intruments selectable.

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Kriebelerelf
05-04-2004, 07:03 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by CzechTexan:
The reason to add is the same as the English option is added for voices. It is to help the people who buy this product making it more enjoyable. If you speak English, do you fly with Russian voices on or English on?

The same goes for any other add-on for IL-2. It is done to make users happy.

Why does everyone always say this is whining when all it is is a suggestion to improve the game? I like the game the way it is but there are always new ways to improve it.

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I agree highly with this statement. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif All I was trying to do was make a suggestion that might improve the game. I'm sorry if the metric users of the world don't like the idea of imperial measures... well tough. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif You don't have to use the option for imperial speed/alt desplay. Seems that the best way to go about this is to add an option in the config screen to change the speed bar to:

SPD (KPH)
ALT (Meters)
HDG (HDG)

To something like:

SPD (MPH)
ALT (Feet)
HDG (HDG)
Or:
SPD (KPH)/(MPH)
ALT (Meters)/(Feet)
HDG (HDG)

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As for the problem with asking for back-up based on location, speed, and altitude... We'll just have to be careful to note which set of measures we use in the message. Using eather an "I" or an "M" at the beginning or the end of the message, or listing the units next the the corresponding message. Ex. "Need help, e3, 320mph, 9000ft" or "Need help, e3, 320, 9000, I". As you can see, it's not mutch extra to type. Unless you suck at flying your plane through evasive manuvers while typing one handed, this is a basic skill learned by all IL-2 pilots soon after their inaguration to dogfighting online. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

Again don't post an "I Disagree" just because you use Metric and think that Imperial should die. That's NOT the idea. The idea is to improve the game by making it more enjoyable/customizable. It is just a game after all ( http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Sacrilege!!!). There's no need for so much of a fus over METRIC!!! and IMPERIAL!!! This poll was more to suggest having the option available to use IMP system in the speedbar and the "wonder woman" view only if you select that option. So, HA. Take that all you unapreacative people who can't recognize a good suggestion when it presents it's self.

that's all for my soap-box. have a nice day an post more feed-back.

P.S. I'm doing a research paper in English class. It's supposed to be an argumentative format. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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[This message was edited by Kriebelerelf on Mon May 10 2004 at 04:09 PM.]

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