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TheGozr
03-22-2005, 12:31 PM
The Yak-9K models stand alone. Designed quite literally as "flying artillery". The NS-37 cannon mounted by the -9T in fact fired the very same 37mm shell as the wheel-and-carriage mounted infantry anti-tank gun of the same caliber used by the Red Army until 1943. This fearsome weapon could penetrate a 30mm plate of face hardened steel mounted at 45 deg. from 500 meters; it could penetrate 45mm of armor at a 90 deg. angle. Fired from above--as aircraft were of course want to do--no vehicle in the German inventory was safe from such attack. Later, quantities of the Yak-9K were produced, this carrying the even bigger 45mm NS-45 cannon. The larger gun was requested by units at the front, noting the heavier armor protection of tanks like the Tiger II. A total of 53 machines were manufactured which were tested in field for two months in the autumn 1944 and winter 1945. 51 air combats resulted in 12 enemy fighters downed at loss of one Yak-9K.

JG53Frankyboy
03-22-2005, 12:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGozr:
The Yak-9K models stand alone. Designed quite literally as "flying artillery". The NS-37 cannon mounted by the -9T in fact fired the very same 37mm shell as the wheel-and-carriage mounted infantry anti-tank gun of the same caliber used by the Red Army until 1943. This fearsome weapon could penetrate a 30mm plate of face hardened steel mounted at 45 deg. from 500 meters; it could penetrate 45mm of armor at a 90 deg. angle. Fired from above--as aircraft were of course want to do--no vehicle in the German inventory was safe from such attack. Later, quantities of the Yak-9K were produced, this carrying the even bigger 45mm NS-45 cannon. The larger gun was requested by units at the front, noting the heavier armor protection of tanks like the Tiger II. A total of 53 machines were manufactured which were tested in field for two months in the autumn 1944 and winter 1945. 51 air combats resulted in 12 enemy fighters downed at loss of one Yak-9K. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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nevertheless, the Yak-9T was one of the mayor versions of Yak production and its main task was bomberinterception.
also the Fw190 got thier lessons not to face Yak headon anymore, it could meet a 37mm shell midair http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JG52Karaya-X
03-22-2005, 12:41 PM
What exactly is your point? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

If you're trying to say that the 37 and 45mm are too weak I cant agree with you... The NS-45 will kill any fighter and some bombers with 1 hit. The NS-37 is also okay with sometimes 2 hits to kill a fighter (depends on area that was hit) and more for a bomber

p1ngu666
03-22-2005, 01:17 PM
is it useless against tanks?
alot of guns are, havent killed a tank with guns from a il2 for along time http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

TheGozr
03-22-2005, 02:34 PM
No whining of any kind here just a reminder for daddy Oleg and pilots that they are great.
Just wish that the K model had the 37 and 45mn were in the K model.
Many yaks were use for so much differents purposes, take for example the U model it was use for many tasks but it's missing all the goodies.


I just appreciate when one plane come with a good choices of real armements, It make the replay of historical battles more enjoyable.

I'm already glad to have some good ones there.

Tooz_69GIAP
03-22-2005, 04:02 PM
IL-2 Type 3 and Type 3M can both kill tanks with their guns (although the 23mm can't penetrate the armour of Tigers and later tanks I think).

The Yak-9T is a great tank killer as well.

TheGozr
03-22-2005, 04:11 PM
Il2's awesome.

VW-IceFire
03-22-2005, 07:17 PM
Which front did the Yak-9K's serve on. That may be a fun mini-campaign in itself http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

p1ngu666
03-22-2005, 07:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Which front did the Yak-9K's serve on. That may be a fun mini-campaign in itself http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

owned oneohwhinesky area i think

once got 3 kills with 3 rounds with yak9k http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Vipez-
03-23-2005, 05:29 AM
uh, impossible to destroy tank with NS-37 / NS-45 ? No way, In my honest opinion it is way too easy.. make 60 degree dive frop top, allways one shot - one kill.. No matter if the tank was 70 ton TIger II, or PZV, allways one shot - one kill.

This is very easy considering, how real life Yak9T pilots were chose carefully, and trained to shoot burst of three rounds, due to very huge recoil effect of the gun.. Only pilots with best gunnery were chose to fly the Yak9T.. IRL Yak9T could loose over 300 kmh airspeed, when firing a burst of three rounds.. in game its something like 10-20 kmh speed loss, hardly anything to even notice.. Yak9K was even worse, and it was not even considered successfull design.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Just too big recoil for such a light fighter..

TheGozr
03-23-2005, 12:21 PM
Yes and read more and look into the modifications accured.

p1ngu666
03-23-2005, 01:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vipez-:
uh, impossible to destroy tank with NS-37 / NS-45 ? No way, In my honest opinion it is way too easy.. make 60 degree dive frop top, allways one shot - one kill.. No matter if the tank was 70 ton TIger II, or PZV, allways one shot - one kill.

This is very easy considering, how real life Yak9T pilots were chose carefully, and trained to shoot burst of three rounds, due to very huge recoil effect of the gun.. Only pilots with best gunnery were chose to fly the Yak9T.. IRL Yak9T could loose over 300 kmh airspeed, when firing a burst of three rounds.. in game its something like 10-20 kmh speed loss, hardly anything to even notice.. Yak9K was even worse, and it was not even considered successfull design.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Just too big recoil for such a light fighter.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hmm, ill haveto try later, tanks are so tiny tho http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

VW-IceFire
03-23-2005, 05:40 PM
Tank kills...no problem. I've got 100 or so on UK-Dedicated...mostly with a Yak-9T.

whitetornado_1
03-28-2005, 05:31 PM
I tried to take out Russian armor with the Stuka G-1 variant and can't destroy the
T-34's even with multiple hits. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Go ahead and try it and get back to this posting
to see if I am the only one. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

p1ngu666
03-28-2005, 05:49 PM
try attacking from the rear, frontal armour is always strong http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

BBB_Hyperion
03-29-2005, 08:01 AM
All small tanks right up to t34 85 mm can be destroyed with 50s , 20 mm etc . Bigger ones can be destroyed with > 20 mm. Posted that in a tank thread somewhere with pictures.

Most important the bigger the higher the dive angle kv and js , ti , tii need a very high dive angle about > 35 degrees. Aim for turret.

Bogun
03-29-2005, 01:49 PM
Guys, don€t believe everything you read on the Internet.
Not Russian NS-37, nor NS-45 cannons were firing same ammo as €œnormal€ anti-tank cannons. And firing nether one decelerated planes 300km/h. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Russian 45mm Model 1937 anti-tank cannon (scaled up version of German 37mm Pak36) was using much more powerful 45x310R cartridge. Original Pak36 was using 37x250R cartridge.

Russian aviation cannons:
NS-37 - 37mm 37x195 @ 250-260rpm, installed on Yak-9T
NS-45 - 45mm 45x185 @ 250rpm, installed on Yak-9K
and later
N-37 - 37mm 37x155 @ 400-450rpm, installed on Yak-9UT
The recoil of the first two was just too powerful for light fighters to handle and after firing 2-3 round they were loosing point of aim, but not the €œdecelerated planes 300km/h€ http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Good source for reading here:
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Base/1852/index2.html

Using method described by BBB_Hyperion you can heavy tanks. Just some practice is needed.

faustnik
03-29-2005, 04:17 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bogun:

The recoil of the first two was just too powerful for light fighters to handle and after firing 2-3 round they were loosing point of aim, but not the €œdecelerated planes 300km/h€ http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
QUOTE]

Bogun,

I thought the problem with the NS-45 was that recoil forces from firing the gun damaged some engines and airframes. Is that true or another rumor?

VW-IceFire
03-29-2005, 08:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whitetornado_1:
I tried to take out Russian armor with the Stuka G-1 variant and can't destroy the
T-34's even with multiple hits. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Go ahead and try it and get back to this posting
to see if I am the only one. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Work on your aim. With tanks you have to understand how they are protected.

The front armor is the strongest. The top rear armor is the weakest. You want to attack a T-34 from an above angle (say 30-40 degrees) and aim for the turret. A single direct hit will take the tank out if you hit it where you're supposed to.

Bogun
03-30-2005, 12:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
I thought the problem with the NS-45 was that recoil forces from firing the gun damaged some engines and airframes. Is that true or another rumor? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here is what been written:
Source: http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww2/yak9k.html
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My translation:
€œ€¦The effects of the recoil of the 45mm caliber cannon on aircraft were considerably greater, than of the 37mm cannon. The greater was the flight speed and the dive angle - the lesser was the effect of recoil on the aircraft. At the speed of less than 350 km/h the aircraft was sharply turning with the shooting, pilot in this case experienced sharp motions forward and backward on his seat. Aimed fire was possible and effective at the speeds, higher then 350 km/h with the short bursts of 2-3 rounds. The strong recoil of NS-45 cannon had an substantial effect on the aircraft, leading to the oil and water leaks through different gaskets and cracks in the pipes, radiators, etc€¦€

To lessen this effects Yak-9K had installed muzzle brake capable of absorbing up to %85 of the increased recoil force. Btw, there was also ammo counter, which we do not have in the game.

p1ngu666
03-30-2005, 02:16 PM
thanks bogun!

so 350+ should be where we shoot at?

i tried yak9t and k, but found the il2 much easier to aim at tanks

faustnik
03-30-2005, 02:29 PM
Thanks Bogun. We need a picture of that ammo counter!

Bogun
03-31-2005, 07:44 AM
2 p1ingu666
As I understand it €" at a speed greater then 350km/h you can expect to hit something you aim at with 2-3 round burst. You can (and the pilots of our squad frequently do during training and while flying Forgotten Skies war missions) hit roof of the heavy tank with a single shot while flying Yak-9T or K, even if your speed is less then that. I, for one, can€t hit anything with cannons flying IL-2M3, but can do reasonably well vs. heavies, using the technique described by BBB_Hyperion, on Yak-9T given time and absence of opposition in the air.

2faustnik
Unfortunately, for all my searching I could not find the pic of the ammo counter.

For your viewing pleasure - you can see some pics of NS-45 here:
http://www.shooter.com.ua/Usylyvaia_mosch/Ystrebytel_Yak_9K_s_pushkoi_NS_45.html

TheGozr
03-31-2005, 09:55 AM
good link http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

p1ngu666
03-31-2005, 10:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bogun:
2 p1ingu666
As I understand it €" at a speed greater then 350km/h you can expect to hit something you aim at with 2-3 round burst. You can (and the pilots of our squad frequently do during training and while flying Forgotten Skies war missions) hit roof of the heavy tank with a single shot while flying Yak-9T or K, even if your speed is less then that. I, for one, can€t hit anything with cannons flying IL-2M3, but can do reasonably well vs. heavies, using the technique described by BBB_Hyperion, on Yak-9T given time and absence of opposition in the air.

2faustnik
Unfortunately, for all my searching I could not find the pic of the ammo counter.

For your viewing pleasure - you can see some pics of NS-45 here:
http://www.shooter.com.ua/Usylyvaia_mosch/Ystrebytel_Yak_9K_s_pushkoi_NS_45.html <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

cool thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
i was compairing with the il2's 23mm, funny how il2s 37mm chuck it all over the place, while stuka's 37mm do not at all or very very slightly