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Tallyho1961
05-11-2005, 11:08 AM
In a recent edition of Time - the one with Darth Vader on the cover - George Lucas mentioned that his next project will be a movie about the Tuskegee airmen. No details beyond that, but I thought this community would like to get a heads up.

LilHorse
05-11-2005, 11:33 AM
Well, let's hope he does a good job of it. Because the last one that was made was crappy, despite having Larry Fishburne in it.

At least we know we'll have CGI for the 109s instead of *gag!* H-1112 Buchons http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif.

Pirschjaeger
05-11-2005, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by LilHorse:
Well, let's hope he does a good job of it. Because the last one that was made was crappy, despite having Larry Fishburne in it.

At least we know we'll have CGI for the 109s instead of *gag!* H-1112 Buchons http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif.

You took the words right out of my keyboard. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz Franzen

Tallyho1961
05-11-2005, 11:44 AM
Agree. I saw the HBO Tuskegee Airmen the other week and was disappointed. It had its moments, but the budget was clearly too modest to generate a truly memorable piece of work involving this type of subject matter.

Here's hoping the next one does this story justice.

Capt._Tenneal
05-11-2005, 12:12 PM
Sounds promising.

My only request...no climactic attack by P-51's on the Berlin trench trying to shoot a torpedo through the Fuhrerbunker exhaust port. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Owlsphone
05-11-2005, 12:13 PM
Tallyho, I was just about to post about this article. He said he would like to do it right, now that the Star Wars story is finished. It's not a definite so don't expect too much, but it is very cool that he has a strong desire to extend his movie making ability to the Tuskegee pilots.

LuckyBoy1
05-11-2005, 12:53 PM
Believe it or not, the Tuskeegee story is a very big project to try and do. I'm not sure the story could be done in 2 or even 3 hours... now, a word from our sponsor...

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goshikisen
05-11-2005, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by Tallyho1961:
In a recent edition of Time - the one with Darth Vader on the cover - George Lucas mentioned that his next project will be a movie about the Tuskegee airmen. No details beyond that, but I thought this community would like to get a heads up.

Let's hope Lucas keeps his mitts out of the directing part of this project. He's great at visualizing and making special effects extravaganzas but he's terrible at directing actors. If you only went by the 2 prequels you'd think that Natalie Portman and Ewan McGregor were amateurish at best... and I think they're 2 of the most talented actors in Hollywood.

Maybe George could bankroll and executive produce a project like this... but please, stay out of the director's chair.

Regards, Goshikisen.

Grisha7
05-11-2005, 01:09 PM
That's a very content looking panther http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Capt._Tenneal
05-11-2005, 01:14 PM
I wonder if this will be an original script or they're adapting a book because I can't think of anything non-fiction that came out recently (i.e. since 2000) that deals with the Tuskegee Airmen.

There is that book written by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (yes, the basketball player) about an African-American armored unit that came out last year, but nothing about the TA.

Dew-Claw
05-11-2005, 02:39 PM
Lucas huh?
Will it have Ewoks?
I can't see it being any good if it doesn't have Ewoks in it.
And Jar-Jar Binks....is he going to be a pilot or a mechanic?

99th Obsidian
05-11-2005, 03:34 PM
http://www.geocities.com/ken_holbert/Ken_and_Airmen.jpg

I'm looking forward to the film. I had the opportunity to meet some of the Airmen recently at the Uvar-Hazy Air and Space museum and they are class acts. When asked if the HBO "Tuskegee Airmen" film from the late 90's was reasonably correct they said yes. However they had one technical correction which was that they were flying P-47's not P-51's from Italy when they blew up that German ship with .50's

Bearcat99
05-11-2005, 05:15 PM
I'm lookinmg forward to it as well....
Had a good time at U.H. eh O? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

As far as the H.B.O. thing went.. well I wasnt crazy about the casting either.. but it was decent. It was better than the one before it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

FltLt_HardBall
05-11-2005, 08:09 PM
Ha, a friend of mine bought the exact same pack of condoms in Busan, Korea. lol, "We are all brack!"

blakduk
05-11-2005, 09:31 PM
I agree that it's too big a story to tell in its entirety, and i hope Lucas doesnt do the dialogue (its been woeful in Star Wars prequels so far). Unless they can do a 'Lord of the Rings' style series they will have to be ruthless with the script to make it work.
Band of Brothers springs to mind as perfect way to tell it- maybe HBO would be the way to do justice to their story?

jarink
05-11-2005, 09:56 PM
If Lucas is smart http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif , he'll ask his pal Steven Speilberg to direct it. Speilberg's done a good job on other WWII subjects (notably "Saving Private Ryan" and the "Band of Brothers" series), probably because he's a history buff.

oldschool1992
05-11-2005, 10:09 PM
A mini series (ala BoB) following a B17 crew through there tour over Europe would be cool

Hristos
05-11-2005, 11:00 PM
Spielberg allowed for one notable glitch in Saving Private Ryan; "...it is the P-51s, Sir ! The tankbusters !...". http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Now, Lucas has written CGI all over him, which is good. However, I hope Lucas doesn't mean .50 cals killing Tigers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

However, the best war movies come from Germany, IMHO. Das Boot is already 25 years old and still a class for itself. After that it was Stalingrad. Then you have the Untergang.

I just wait for someone in Germany to make a movie about Hartmann, or better yet Galland. Rudel is a bit hot topic, but the movie would be packed with action. Afterall, they were the most successful pilots in history.

papotex
05-11-2005, 11:10 PM
goshikisen wrote:

Maybe George could bankroll and executive produce a project like this... but please, stay out of the director's chair.

maybe Ridley scott? that guy rocks
spielberg s good too considering they are friends and already worked together a few times

mauld
05-12-2005, 04:27 AM
With Flugwerk reproducing FW190's and the reproduction ME262's and a number off Buchons being converted to DB60* engined examples there wont be a need for to much CGI.

Monson74
05-12-2005, 04:28 AM
I just hope he'll select some young & maybe unknown talents for the project - it would be really disapointing to see Denzel Washington playing a 22 year old pilot - not that I don't like him but you know what I mean. The cast on SPR was superb because they weren't all (yet) big stars on the screen. But I love the idea of an up-to-date interpretation of the events that took place 60+ years ago. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

GoToAway
05-12-2005, 05:21 AM
Originally posted by Hristos:
However, the best war movies come from Germany, IMHO. Das Boot is already 25 years old and still a class for itself. After that it was Stalingrad. Then you have the Untergang.

I just wait for someone in Germany to make a movie about Hartmann, or better yet Galland. Rudel is a bit hot topic, but the movie would be packed with action. Afterall, they were the most successful pilots in history. Or Rommel. There really, really needs to be a good movie about Rommel that doesn't just use him as "that Nazi guy that the good guys fought."

Of course, such a thing would never come out of Hollywood. According to Hollywood, every German was a Nazi between 1939 and 1945. Germany needs to do it.


And I'll second a recommendation for Der Untergang. That was a great movie. Not the kind of movie that you'd want to bring a date to or really watch more than once, but it was a great movie.

HayateAce
05-12-2005, 06:24 AM
Originally posted by Hristos:
Standard blah.

While I have opinions about a certain clown-plane in a GAME, you just have a plain ol chip-on-shoulder about losing teh WW2. It's OK to have lost, don't let it ruin your life today.

So now most successful pilots in history are those with big numbers of downed IL2's, antiques, and un-armed transports flown by under-trained novices?

Don't think so. Go back to your bag of names and find the likes of Lindbergh or Cochran or maybe one of these test pilots (any nation) that lost their lives in the frantic '50s.

Now back to topic before you tried to hijack. The red-tail men never lost a single bomber under their protection. Impressive men flying an impressive aircraft.

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jensenpark
05-12-2005, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by Monson74:
I just hope he'll select some young & maybe unknown talents for the project - it would be really disapointing to see Denzel Washington playing a 22 year old pilot - not that I don't like him but you know what I mean. The cast on SPR was superb because they weren't all (yet) big stars on the screen. But I love the idea of an up-to-date interpretation of the events that took place 60+ years ago. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Good old Hollywood. It'll be Denzel with Tom Cruise as his wingman (playing the long, lost twin of Billy Frisk - out to avenge his brothers death, after Billy single handedly won the BoB)

Aaron_GT
05-12-2005, 08:35 AM
As far as the H.B.O. thing went.. well I wasnt crazy about the casting either.. but it was decent. It was better than the one before it.

Is the HBO film a different one to the one with Fishburne in it?

mynameisroland
05-12-2005, 08:35 AM
Its true all Germans seem to be portrayed as Nazis between 1939 and 1945 - even earlier in some cases ( Old Spielberg in his Indianna Jones filsm goes further back to early 30's)

I would love to see a film based on Galland and Molders during BoB against the story of Bader and Malan. Something that will never be done as revisionist history - or certianly popular history/culture would refuse to belive that the bad guy was actually a decent man or perhaps even a better fighter pilot.

Until then we've got Ben Afflek winning the Battle of Britain in his Spit IX and also the USA finding the Enigma machine in a Submarine in 43 - when it was already done years before by RN and code was long cracked.

Straight question - is the Tuskegee film being made because its a feel good film about how not all US citizens were segregationist in the 40's and that the Black airmen earned both their enemies and their fellow white country men's respect - Starring Ice Cube and Will Smith no doubt?

An excercise in political correctness - when there is an equal predjudice against all things Germanic or English in Hollywood.

'Why dont your countries make your own films then if you dont like it' is what you guys will be thinking. Ok, fairpoint - and we do , but what I am pointing out is that if you go about making up history in these WW2 films and turning them in to basically fictional happenings why not just stick to sci fi intsead of labelling in WW2 history.

Also one other flaw in Saving Private Ryan. The only mention the British forces get is '**** Montgomerie is holding us back....' this is despite the fact that the whole naval operation was masterminded and administrated by the Royal Navy and that Britain had two beaches - just as many as the US - and Canada had another beach.

Aaron_GT
05-12-2005, 08:38 AM
Much as I liked Bad Boyz I hope it isn't Will Smith and Martin Lawrence...

I suppose they need some 'names' or familiar faces to get bums on seats, though. So maybe
Mekhi Pfeiffer? (although he is pushing it in the age department too).

Aaron_GT
05-12-2005, 08:39 AM
administrated by the Royal Navy and that Britain had two beaches - just as many as the US - and Canada had another beach.

Plus the RN were responsible for landing the Rangers on the beach.

Capt._Tenneal
05-12-2005, 08:40 AM
If not Denzel, then how much you want to wager they will put one of the current crop of rappers turned actors in the cast (if not the lead). Ice Cube as Col. Davis ? Maybe Ludacris as one of the squadron, or 50 Cent ? Method Man, Redman or DMX ? It'll bring in the 12 - 21 crowd.

Atomic_Marten
05-12-2005, 09:04 AM
If the rumour is true, I'm looking forward to that movie. That guys really deserved a lot of publicity since they hold one of the most impressive records of WW2.. they were able to protect all fat birds in their swarm http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I have seen the last film on this interesting subject "The Tuskagee Airmen, 1995" (http://www.allmovie.com/cg/avg.dll?p=avg&sql=1:154380), and although movie probably wasn't with the greatest possible budget, it's still good. Good actors were helped a lot IMO.

I have no doubts that new film will be even better.

BTW really bad news about red tailed P51C
http://www.aamb.com.au/Tuskagee.htm

Monson74
05-12-2005, 11:20 AM
I must admit that I have mixed feelings about this project. First I think it's a good idea to explore some of the darker moments of US WWII history - the obvious injustice of the segregation laws - a time when a guy could die for his country but wasn't allowed to take a walk in the park - fighting on two fronts so to speak. & further: what did the generals expect would happen if/when one of these men got downed over Germany? On the other hand I'm getting tired of the filmmakers approach on WWII. If you believe Hollywood & the game industry, WWII was won by the US in '44 when Tom Hanks broke the Enigma, bombed Tokyo, killed 12.000 German infantry soldiers with his 1911 & got the Medal of Honor. I sure hope this new project has something new to offer... Schindler's List was good, SPR was gruesome & BoB had it's moments so let's see what he can do this time...

Aaron_GT
05-12-2005, 12:05 PM
Ice Cube as Col. Davis ?

Ice Cube's a pretty decent actor.

Bearcat99
05-12-2005, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">As far as the H.B.O. thing went.. well I wasnt crazy about the casting either.. but it was decent. It was better than the one before it.

Is the HBO film a different one to the one with Fishburne in it? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No that is the HBO film...... and my point is... there wasn't one before it. It is the only one.

As far as casting for the new one.. I would hope that he would use new young actors.. or lesser known young actors.. there are enough around for sure.

Aaron_GT
05-13-2005, 04:24 AM
I enjoyed the existing film. You are right about using some lesser known actors - there must be plenty about and being in a Lucas project could (if he does a good job) be quite a career boost.