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Opie-won
11-19-2005, 08:42 PM
Now that I have the new version I got busy and flew the new aircraft that was in this version. I listed below what I thought of them:

Buffalo MkI/F2A2: I found this ship to be a good overall performer lacking only in speed and firepower. I found that it could turn quite well, almost as well and tightly as the Zero. Good overall vis and seems to climb pretty steady.

Betty: Gawd what a pig. Very poor handling and not all that strong airframe-wise. when I want a true challenge I fly this thing.

Ki-100: Ok performer, but not one that I'm in love with. Seems like it should have better performance then it does.

Does this should about right to you? I truly enjoy flying the Buffalo, but literally everything that I have been able to research about it shows that it is a very poor fighter. The only thing that I have to grump about it is its lack of punch.

VW-IceFire
11-19-2005, 08:48 PM
Well if you like the Buffalo then I highly recommend you go and fly my Desperate Odds campaign in which you fly for the RNZAF in the defense of Singapore in a 6 mission mini campaign. Go fly that and come back and tell me that you still like it after getting wiped all over the floor with those Japanese.

I don't even know why I made that campaign but it was fun to do anyways http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm currently doing a Ki-100 campaign as well. I really like the Ki-100...its faster than you give it credit for and its easily the most aerobatic of the late war fighters. It was never a fast design...but it was reliable and easy to fly and thats what made it "the best Japanese Army fighter of the late war".

Online, in 1 vs 1 battles, I've managed to hold my own with Corsairs and other "superior" aircraft. I used my agility and good acceleration to counter speed. Admittedly I've rarely fought to conclusion as there was never the option for one to beat the other provided that we both flew to our best (not making any piloting mistakes - persay).

Practice in it if you want to be good in it...thats true of anything I suppose. And also some pilots take to certain planes and others to other planes...find the ones that suit your personality.

ElAurens
11-20-2005, 12:58 AM
I could not disagree more about the G4M1-11.

It is the best flying bomber in the game.
If you really want to fly a brick with wings, try the B25. The Betty feels positively nimble in comparison.

jds1978
11-20-2005, 05:25 AM
don't care much for the Ki100? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
oh well, everyones entitled to their opinion http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

what do you think about the boosted P47 & the new Yak? (4.02m)

Opie-won
11-20-2005, 10:12 AM
Is the Yak part of the merged stuff? I don't have the expansion packs yet(I know that I'm missing out). Out if the planes that were in Il-2, I was the most impressed with the LAGG-3 on the Russian planes, but that is for another forum.

My reasoning on the Betty is that its slow rate of roll. My experience had it as the slowest rolling aircraft out there. Of course My personal preference to bombers is the A-20.

The Ki-100 was an ok aircraft, but not my kettle of fish. I suppose that it stems from flying a Ki-61 and finding that it is wwaayy underpowered in the game, and didn't handle up to what I was expecting (Literature suggests that it had superb handling and good acceleration) If I had to choose a late-war Japanese aircraft it would be the Ki-84Ic.

jds1978
11-20-2005, 10:18 AM
Is the Yak part of the merged stuff?

Yes


Of course My personal preference to bombers is the A-20.

Ditto here


If I had to choose a late-war Japanese aircraft it would be the Ki-84Ic.

I'm in a total toss-up between Ki84 and Ki100 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Opie-won
11-20-2005, 10:26 AM
the 30mm Ho-105's in the Ki-84 sealed the deal for me....nothin' like seeing large airplane parts fly off of your opponent when ya drill him. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

leitmotiv
11-20-2005, 11:10 AM
For my money, there is no late-war fighter like the redoubtable Ki-84 of any game mark (but, without a doubt, the high velocity 30mm cannon version is the deadliest killer in the game---with those monsters you do not have to close into point-blank range like with the German MK103 30's---if you have a good eye, those guns allow one burst, long range kills against anything the U.S. can field). The Ki-84 is a dream to fly, and its climb rate is wonderful. I got into a jam with a string of -5 Hellcats on me. I spiraled upwards at full power and watched out my rear bubble as one-by-one the gasping cats fell away behind me, a most satisfying moment of total superiority. Then I reversed down on them and wreaked havoc. I also have a fondness for the Ki-100. I like the concentration of fire from two 20mm in the cowling, and I enjoy dueling in it, but the Ki-84 eats its lunch. I fear no Allied aircraft in the 84. The Ki-100 was a useful stopgap. Pity we can't fight in Jacks and Georges. A Do335 would be an eye-opener.

jds1978
11-20-2005, 01:30 PM
without a doubt...when flying for the allies in the PTO, the sight of a Ki84 makes me panic like no other http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

leitmotiv
11-20-2005, 03:01 PM
Oddly, I have never set up a brawl with AI Ki-84's to see how it goes against them. Will do this today!

darkhorizon11
11-20-2005, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
I could not disagree more about the G4M1-11.

It is the best flying bomber in the game.
If you really want to fly a brick with wings, try the B25. The Betty feels positively nimble in comparison.

I agree the Betty is very agile. Course she lites like a fire cracker, but she's got some ummmphhh at higher altitudes and I swear I can keep up with that thing on foot at stall speed...

p1ngu666
11-20-2005, 09:49 PM
betty is unstable, floaty, but it is pretty quick at higher alts http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

LEXX_Luthor
11-20-2005, 10:36 PM
The -111 may be Porked, even the H6 and it can't climb well at all. But I need to properly test this before I start Whining. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif Remember the He-111?

Opie-won
11-20-2005, 10:37 PM
I would just eat up flying a Do 335 or a Ta 152. That would be a whole lot of fun I would think. I must agree on the KI-84; there is nothing in PF that I fear in a KI-84, except maybe a '39 down in the dirt. Best that I've ever done with a KI-84 is 8 to 1 against P-51's. I took down 6 before my cannons went dry and I ended up being the ham in a ham sandwich while I was chewing up the 7th one with the mg's I got turned into a blowtorch. I guess that there is a price for all that speed and agility.

HayateAce
11-20-2005, 11:17 PM
Who in the **** is Opie, and why is he trying to roll a G4M1?

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leitmotiv
11-21-2005, 12:26 AM
Whatever floats yer boat. The B-25J may be a truck but it is a guntruck. The He111H's are miserable to fly because of the frakking glazing. The G4M1 is about as nimble as a Corvette with four flats. The A-20 can be fun, but it is a lead sled compared to a Mosquito and clever fighters will smash it. One of the only two flyable strike aircraft I enjoy driving is the Il-2. I enjoy going on the offensive against AI Messerschmitts with them. The other is the "Val" D3A1. What an impressive aircraft! You can maneuver through a snarling barrier of Wildcats, plunge down on a carrier, and (if the flak didn't smash you) enjoy a rip-roaring dogfight with Mr Cat afterwards and have a halfway decent chance of knocking him down. Remember: the real D3A1's from the HIRYU fought their way through the YORKTOWN CAP at Midway (some even kept their bombs), and hammered the ship in the bargain---truly the most amazing dive bomber attack of the Pacific War. When I am at the top of my game, I like to try that situation.

tigertalon
11-21-2005, 04:10 AM
Originally posted by Opie-won:
Ki-100: Ok performer, but not one that I'm in love with. Seems like it should have better performance then it does.

Ki-100 performance seems ok to me. It was far from new japanese wonderplane as many try to imply. However, it was way better than it's predecessor, Ki-61. With better I mean especially in terms of reliability (mostly connected with Ha-40 inline engine). Ki-61 was faster a bit, but that's all. Ki-100 was much more pleasant to fly, climbed faster, had firepower of Ki-61Tei, was rock steady, and most important: it worked, it's engine worked, it was finally something where enemy was gretaer danger than own unreliability. It had a reliable 1500 hp radial, which enabled it to accelerate, dive, zoom-climb and climb better than 61.

tigertalon
11-21-2005, 04:18 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
with those monsters you do not have to close into point-blank range like with the German MK103 30's

You probably mend MK108 here, MK103 is a superb 30mm cannon with muzzle velocity higher than Mg151/20.

nakamura_kenji
11-21-2005, 04:19 AM
ki-100 should more manoverable than ki-61 weigh less, less wing loading but handle much like ki-61-I-otsu/hei, ki-61-I-ko can out turn it p_q . good plane slow late war speed eat hellcat though ^_^

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jds1978
11-21-2005, 04:21 AM
Midway (some even kept their bombs), and hammered the ship in the bargain---truly the most amazing dive bomber attack of the Pacific War. When I am at the top of my game, I like to try that situation.

True. Don't forget the Enterprise's SBD squadrons in the action that preceded that at Midway. I think Hiryu's attack was pretty much the Val's shining moment as a ship hunter. Yammamoto purposely relegated the Val to hitting the airfields in and around Pearl Harbor because the Val couldn't carry the big bombs needed to sink ships. A IJN SS finished off Yorktown anyways.

Having said that, the Val is much easier to fly than the Dauntless. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

You know-I might just set up the Yorktown
atttack in FMB this morning.

I remember seeing that someone is making an early war campaign dedicated strictly to the Val. It'll cover Coreal Sea-Santa Cruz. Haven't seen any updates on this since the original screenshots werer posted though.

Bearcat99
11-21-2005, 08:59 AM
Opie I know you said t was kind of not an option at the moment.. but you rerally ought to consider mergeing. Skip lunch for a week.. it will be worth it...

leitmotiv
11-21-2005, 09:26 AM
Apologies to the devastating MK103 30mm, meant the low-velocity hammer MK108 30mm---thank you tigertalon. Right about Ki-100, nakamura_kenji. I enjoy dueling with Cats in it---it is a Ki-43 with cannon. Only the superlative overall performance of the Ki-84 makes the Ki-100 seem less impressive. Tried fighting AI Ki-84's yesterday with the P-51D (China 1944-45 situation), and got a tiger by the tail. Bud Anderson's caution about the gas-loaded P-51's instability popped into mind. I had them set at 50% fuel, and mine was unable to keep up with the maneuvers of the Hayate. The P-51D's were definitely on the defensive with gas sloshing around in the centerline tank causing them to stall out at inopportune times. Found myself longing for a Thunderbolt or a Corsair. For my money, the second greatest dive bomber attack of the Pacific War was HORNET Air Group's SBD attack on SHOKAKU at Santa Cruz where the unescorted Dauntlesses fought through the Zeros, and delivered a near fatal attack on the carrier. If they had had the 1000lb Armor- Piercing bomb which was available in 1943, they would have creamed SHOKAKU. Right you are about the D3A1's bombs, jds1978, but due to the unarmored flight decks and light citadel armor of the YORKTOWN class carriers, the D3A1's humble 500lb Semi-Armor-Piercing bomb was able to inflict heavy damage on them. Had the D3A1's not reduced YORKTOWN's speed to around 20 knots by damaging her uptakes, the B5N2's would have had a harder time delivering the coup de grace. Mr Val certainly would have benefitted from a 500lb AP bomb, but he still did serious damage to American carriers in each of the carrier battles from Coral Sea to Santa Cruz, and deserves credit for setting up YORKTOWN and HORNET for the far deadlier torp bombers. Which brings to mind my biggest disappointment with PAC FIGHTERS---not being able to fly a Kate against an American carrier!

jds1978
11-21-2005, 10:09 AM
Which brings to mind my biggest disappointment with PAC FIGHTERS---not being able to fly a Kate against an American carrier!

Yeah, i know. In my fantasies i've worked out the Japanese torpedo attack on battleship row a zillion times. I'd much rather have the Kate than, say, the Avenger or Devastator.

Professor_06
11-21-2005, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by HayateAce:
Who in the **** is Opie, and why is he trying to roll a G4M1?

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Dont you watch Mayberry? Opie grew up to be one of our nations top four engine bomber acrobatic flyers. In 1973, flying for the Blue Tard Angels he was the only person ever to do an outside loop in a B17!!!!

gthgrrl4game
11-21-2005, 10:40 AM
The A-20 can be fun, but it is a lead sled compared to a Mosquito and clever fighters will smash it. The other is the "Val" D3A1. What an impressive aircraft! You can maneuver through a snarling barrier of Wildcats, plunge down on a carrier, and (if the flak didn't smash you) enjoy a rip-roaring dogfight with Mr Cat afterwards and have a halfway decent chance of knocking him down. Remember: the real D3A1's from the HIRYU fought their way through the YORKTOWN CAP at Midway (some even kept their bombs), and hammered the ship in the bargain---truly the most amazing dive bomber attack of the Pacific War. When I am at the top of my game, I like to try that situation.

Mosquito? I don't even have that a available as an AI http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
As to the Val, I'm in Love!!! I quite agree, it is my my favorite bomber!!!

gthgrrl4game
11-21-2005, 10:55 AM
As regards the Ki84 vs Ki100.
In game almost nothing can touch a well flown Hayate.
In RL, the unreliable engines kept them from being quitte so dangerous.
The Ki-100 had far more reliable engines so it could be reliably counted on to perform as it should.
Try the 100 at altitude.
It really shines there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
But then, so does the 84 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

leitmotiv
11-21-2005, 11:09 AM
Wish we had a Mosquito, but, historically, it was a superior strike aircraft to the A-20.

All torpedo bomber pilots were brave men, but none faced more daunting odds than the Japanese---even at Coral Sea the USN's light flak was murderous, and by Santa Cruz (40mm Bofors, prox shells for 5" guns) it was approaching the barrier fire of 1944-45. Santa Cruz was the last hurrah of their torp bombers with the superb coordinated attack on HORNET---Vals high, Kates low---totaled the carrier fair and square. Murata died trying to hit ENTERPRISE. For the Japanese Santa Cruz was a case of "One more victory like this and we are ruined." The Zeros destroyed the TBDs at Midway---the Japanese AA was almost ineffective throughout the war---luckily for the Devastators and Avengers.

leitmotiv
11-21-2005, 11:21 AM
Yes, gthgrr14game, I would like to have a Ki-84's engine fail randomly. They accurately modeled the He162's high speed wing failures, why not engine malfunction? Right: the Ki-100 was reliable and that distinguished it from the temperamental Ki-61. Were it not for all the times American fighters outran my Ki-100, I'd love it like the Ki-84. The Ki-100 plays the Hurricane to the Ki-84's Spitfire.

gthgrrl4game
11-21-2005, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Yes, gthgrr14game, I would like to have a Ki-84's engine fail randomly. They accurately modeled the He162's high speed wing failures, why not engine malfunction? Right: the Ki-100 was reliable and that distinguished it from the temperamental Ki-61. Were it not for all the times American fighters outran my Ki-100, I'd love it like the Ki-84. The Ki-100 plays the Hurricane to the Ki-84's Spitfire.

I love flying the IJ aircraft but I so agree wih you about the Hayate, for realism's sake.
The Hayate is a tremendously good fighter.
Flying it I fear nothing can outfly me. Only the other pilot matters then http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
I prefer the Ib version with 4x20 mm, I find the 30mm to be over kill and the smaller capacity ammo is not good.
Course you NEED far fewer hits with the 30's as well..
The more I have flown the 100 the more I love it.
I fly offline only so far but any plane in which I can take 2 Ace AI's in Corsairs and take out both absolutely rules.
The Ki-100 is a sweet ride.
Edit- the above QMB was cool, wish I had saved it, since then I can survvie it, but it is NOT as easy as that first time http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

gthgrrl4game
11-22-2005, 08:41 AM
I can still outturn the Corsairs, though.

GerritJ9
11-24-2005, 03:19 PM
IceFire, I have flown the "Desperate Odds" campaign and love it....... but not once was I shot down by a Japanese fighter. What did take me out on several occasions was the tail gunner of a Betty though- thoroughly annoyning creatures.
The Buffalo variants are all undermodelled as regards top speed, by some 20-30 kph IAS at 5000 metres altitude. I have sent documentation plus the results of my tests to Oleg, hopefully the Buffs will get corrected speeds in a future patch. The F2A-2 was faster in real life than both A6M2 and Ki.43 (as were its KNIL derivatives the B-339C and B-339D). In PF it is slower than both, though climb is modelled correctly.

leitmotiv
11-24-2005, 07:41 PM
The Betty stinger makes you see what an achievement it was for O'Hara to knock down so many of them in one mission.

actionhank1786
11-25-2005, 10:29 PM
I love the Ki-84C, i mean sure it feels like cheating...you know with the working engine all the time, non-**** fuel, and being a decent pilot, but i'll be ****ed if it doesn't feel great flying through a flight of B-29's and just tearing 'em to pieces.
Better still with other fighters, i have managed to shoot a few down with a P-51, i felt quite powerful, because once they get behind you, if you can't shake them, odds are good you wont just take a few hits and keep fighting. You'll lose your rear half, and jump ship.
About the betty, i love flying it, nothing beats flying low ( did i just scrape a wave?) and dropping torpedos while trying to avoid Carrier and the carrier groups' AAA.
I love this game

leitmotiv
11-25-2005, 10:45 PM
Was just about to settle down for some aero dueling and my dratted computer blue screened with a blown motherboard---AGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

lairdperkins
11-25-2005, 10:48 PM
Does the Ki-100 have the same Buttefly flaps that the Frank does?

That's what I love so much about the 84... clean it's so fast... drop in a notch of flaps and it turns like a Pitts... best of all worlds.. those wonderful sliding flaps.

leitmotiv
11-26-2005, 12:26 AM
Nay, the churl Ki-100 being a Kawasaki product did not have the fabled Nakajima flaps. Still turns nicely in a pinch.

Stigler_9_JG52
11-26-2005, 09:55 PM
Opie wrote:

My reasoning on the Betty is that its slow rate of roll. My experience had it as the slowest rolling aircraft out there. Of course My personal preference to bombers is the A-20.

Two vastly different planes for vastly different purposes.

The A-20 is a light attack plane. It had better be more nimble than a Betty bomber.

The Betty is a medium Navy bomber. It's not meant to go screaming in low wreaking Havoc like the plane mentioned above. Only time you'd ever see a low Betty is one that's got a torpedo under it.

If the Betty is properly modelled, I think you'll find she's rather nimble for a bird of her size, relatively fast and she ought to climb like a DEMON, for a bomber. Her faults would be lack of armor, lack of self-sealing fuel tanks and as the war drags on, lack of competitiveness.