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Tater-SW-
07-24-2005, 01:21 PM
I thought I saw a thread regarding the need for a historical arrangement of CVBGs for each navy.

I have the box formation for IJN CVs from 1941.

The "box" of 6 CVs consisted of 2 columns of 3 ships in trail with each other (like a "6" on a die). The CVs were 7,000m apart from each other. Each CV had one DD behind it as a plane guard (rescue pilots who missed TO or landing). For PF, offset the ships slightly so onje sinking won't cause a collision.

Even with the 2 lead CVs of the formation, but 15,000m to each side was a CA. About 7,000m ahead of the center of the formation was a DD in trail behind a CA. 15,000m to each side just behind the front DD was a CA.

http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/ijncvbg1941.JPG


tater

Tater-SW-
07-24-2005, 01:21 PM
I thought I saw a thread regarding the need for a historical arrangement of CVBGs for each navy.

I have the box formation for IJN CVs from 1941.

The "box" of 6 CVs consisted of 2 columns of 3 ships in trail with each other (like a "6" on a die). The CVs were 7,000m apart from each other. Each CV had one DD behind it as a plane guard (rescue pilots who missed TO or landing). For PF, offset the ships slightly so onje sinking won't cause a collision.

Even with the 2 lead CVs of the formation, but 15,000m to each side was a CA. About 7,000m ahead of the center of the formation was a DD in trail behind a CA. 15,000m to each side just behind the front DD was a CA.

http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/ijncvbg1941.JPG


tater

Utchoud
07-24-2005, 02:41 PM
Thanks! I am collecting such stuff, too.


The formation of the Japanese Kido Butai en route to Oahu, 26th November 1941

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/Utchoud/Fleet1.gif


Kido Butai prior to launching attack waves in the morning 8th December 1941 (Tokyo time)

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/Utchoud/Fleet2.gif


The take-off maneuver

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/Utchoud/Fleet3.gif

joeap
07-24-2005, 03:28 PM
Excellent!!! Where did you get that info???

Tater-SW-
07-24-2005, 08:57 PM
I'm still making a space for my scanner, so I drew my image myself---I copied it from SUNBURST: The Rise of Japanese Naval Air Power 1909-1941, by Peattie (great book, BTW).

tater

VT-51_Razor
07-24-2005, 11:55 PM
Hey Tater, does that book have any pictures of IJN a/c actually trapping? I've never seen a picture of a Japanese plane landing on a carrier, only taking off.

Utchoud
07-25-2005, 12:14 AM
My pictures are from "Tenno Heika Banzai" by Lubomir Vejrik, a Czech historian. He published two books concerning Japanese military aviation, quite in detail in some aspects. I don't know where exactly this piece of information was extracted from.

Tater-SW-
07-25-2005, 09:49 AM
No pics of a trap.

tater

Nimits
07-26-2005, 08:35 PM
Utchoud,

Gordan Prange's At Dawn We Slept indicated that the lead DDs were actually ahead of the CAs on 7 Dec (CL and DDs in wedge at front with BBs following in trail and CAs on flanks).

Utchoud
07-27-2005, 12:17 AM
Nimits,

I checked the images again, I've re-drawn them exactly from my source. The author named Prange's At Dawn We Slept among his references, so I guess he was aware of what you are saying, but had other sources that made him consider this piece of information wrong.

Utchoud