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maddogg123
10-02-2005, 10:46 PM
dont know if any of you even use it but:

The rumor has it that Limewire has already began to enforce their copyright-protection schemes, and if you go download latest version from Limewire.com, you should notice that it won't work the way the old clients used to.

What I know for certain, is that Limewire is forcing everyone to 'electronically sign' before they download, and that if you install an older Limewire 4.9 client, one w/out the new technology, it won't install. By this, I mean that it will not download the Java, therefore, erroring out.

heres proof:

<span class="ev_code_white">p2p news / p2pnet first:- When the US Supreme Court ruled anyone who distributes a device €œwith the object of promoting its use to infringe copyright, as shown by the clear expression or other affirmative steps taken to foster infringement, is liable for the resulting acts of infringement by third parties," LimeWire headed for the hills.

Lime Group chief executive Mark Gorton said it €œappeared too difficult to meet the implied standard for inducement€ and that the court had €œ'handed a tool to judges that they can declare inducement whenever they want to€.

Since then, there€ve been a number of interesting changes to companies which could be said to comprise the independent corporate p2p community, but all attempts to find out what was happening with LimeWire meet with a stony €œNo Comment€.

However, it seems Gorton had decided discretion was the better part of valour, anticipating the project would eventually be attacked and deciding to protect the code.

We€re told he was personally targetted by the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) and consequently, LimeWire developers were instructed to come up with a solution that didn€t involve going to court.

The result? Code incorporated into LimeWire installers which means people will be installing a program that won€t share audio files unless the files are licensed.

Part of the code allows people to attach Creative Commons licenses to their files, and to verify that the people who attach the license are accountable, as far our correspondent was able to tell. Unlicensed audio files won€t show up in shared folders, and will be invisible to search requests by the newer clients.

Wanted: Older versions of LW
As soon as people realize that using or connecting to a LW version above 4.9.29 gets them into a controlled network, they'll ask €˜where can we get an older version€ " - posts steif on the Gnutella forums, going on:

We should share the installers that will help users remain freely connected.

(ultracross: ) 4.9.30 is already controlled by fewer ultrapeers, so I will participate only in a network of 4.9.29 Ultrapeers or earlier. I plan to ask for vendor/version blocking to help keep a free and open international network.

When the network consisted of 150K users, this still allowed much development to continue, and there is still lots of work to do before Mark Gorton's vision of an open and free network is realized.

gnutella is far from dead: we should encourage and facilitate those interested in F/LOSS to only use 4.29 and earlier. This will preserve the current network and provide an option to the controlled network.

Personally, I like the idea of ridding the network of all that audio **** Vive la texte et les images! Pardon my French.

LOTR: currently only audio files will be affected, but the code is ready to not share other extensions too. As far as I'm concerned, that's not the issue. It's that LW has been pressured into allowing the RIAA to exert influence over material and people outside of the USA. What hackers! "All your files belong to US " Yeah right.

So: can you experts tell me this? Will sharing my 4.9.29 Pro.dmg be any use to other OS X users? I'm currently sharing LimeWire 4.9.29jum431 OS X (magnet available on request).

et voil responds:

I'm beginning to think that's worse that if LW shuts its doors... As FOSS, LW will be worked on anyways, while now the LW infected with the CC branch will destroy Gnutella as users will continue to dl it until Gnutella is to ill to be usable in any way.

Here is my foreseeable scenario:

LW implements the CC branch with no sharing of unlisenced stuff. LW 4.9.31 is released in the wild and €œLW is signaled through the update mechanism. One week later, already 25% of the nodes do not share anything over Gnutella. People begin to notice file availability decreases. Not so long after, files become so scarce that remaining sub 4.9.31 nodes are filled with requests and do not send results anymore to searches. UPs are sending searches to the highest TTL nearly everytime, making dynamic querying inefficient because of overloaded UPs with search traffic. This means the search horizon will go down many times too.

After 3 weeks, many people will already find other P2P because they work better. In three months LW use base will go from 2.7 mill simulateneous users (trap_kaw crawler) to less than 500,000. By then, many Gnet apps will ban LW because of the leeching. The only major Gnutella app then will be Bearshare with its dead development! (but still the best Gnet app by far anyway.)</span>
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so long good old days...

maddogg123
10-02-2005, 10:46 PM
dont know if any of you even use it but:

The rumor has it that Limewire has already began to enforce their copyright-protection schemes, and if you go download latest version from Limewire.com, you should notice that it won't work the way the old clients used to.

What I know for certain, is that Limewire is forcing everyone to 'electronically sign' before they download, and that if you install an older Limewire 4.9 client, one w/out the new technology, it won't install. By this, I mean that it will not download the Java, therefore, erroring out.

heres proof:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> <span class="ev_code_white">p2p news / p2pnet first:- When the US Supreme Court ruled anyone who distributes a device €œwith the object of promoting its use to infringe copyright, as shown by the clear expression or other affirmative steps taken to foster infringement, is liable for the resulting acts of infringement by third parties," LimeWire headed for the hills.

Lime Group chief executive Mark Gorton said it €œappeared too difficult to meet the implied standard for inducement€ and that the court had €œ'handed a tool to judges that they can declare inducement whenever they want to€.

Since then, there€ve been a number of interesting changes to companies which could be said to comprise the independent corporate p2p community, but all attempts to find out what was happening with LimeWire meet with a stony €œNo Comment€.

However, it seems Gorton had decided discretion was the better part of valour, anticipating the project would eventually be attacked and deciding to protect the code.

We€re told he was personally targetted by the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) and consequently, LimeWire developers were instructed to come up with a solution that didn€t involve going to court.

The result? Code incorporated into LimeWire installers which means people will be installing a program that won€t share audio files unless the files are licensed.

Part of the code allows people to attach Creative Commons licenses to their files, and to verify that the people who attach the license are accountable, as far our correspondent was able to tell. Unlicensed audio files won€t show up in shared folders, and will be invisible to search requests by the newer clients.

Wanted: Older versions of LW
As soon as people realize that using or connecting to a LW version above 4.9.29 gets them into a controlled network, they'll ask €˜where can we get an older version€ " - posts steif on the Gnutella forums, going on:

We should share the installers that will help users remain freely connected.

(ultracross: ) 4.9.30 is already controlled by fewer ultrapeers, so I will participate only in a network of 4.9.29 Ultrapeers or earlier. I plan to ask for vendor/version blocking to help keep a free and open international network.

When the network consisted of 150K users, this still allowed much development to continue, and there is still lots of work to do before Mark Gorton's vision of an open and free network is realized.

gnutella is far from dead: we should encourage and facilitate those interested in F/LOSS to only use 4.29 and earlier. This will preserve the current network and provide an option to the controlled network.

Personally, I like the idea of ridding the network of all that audio **** Vive la texte et les images! Pardon my French.

LOTR: currently only audio files will be affected, but the code is ready to not share other extensions too. As far as I'm concerned, that's not the issue. It's that LW has been pressured into allowing the RIAA to exert influence over material and people outside of the USA. What hackers! "All your files belong to US " Yeah right.

So: can you experts tell me this? Will sharing my 4.9.29 Pro.dmg be any use to other OS X users? I'm currently sharing LimeWire 4.9.29jum431 OS X (magnet available on request).

et voil responds:

I'm beginning to think that's worse that if LW shuts its doors... As FOSS, LW will be worked on anyways, while now the LW infected with the CC branch will destroy Gnutella as users will continue to dl it until Gnutella is to ill to be usable in any way.

Here is my foreseeable scenario:

LW implements the CC branch with no sharing of unlisenced stuff. LW 4.9.31 is released in the wild and €œLW is signaled through the update mechanism. One week later, already 25% of the nodes do not share anything over Gnutella. People begin to notice file availability decreases. Not so long after, files become so scarce that remaining sub 4.9.31 nodes are filled with requests and do not send results anymore to searches. UPs are sending searches to the highest TTL nearly everytime, making dynamic querying inefficient because of overloaded UPs with search traffic. This means the search horizon will go down many times too.

After 3 weeks, many people will already find other P2P because they work better. In three months LW use base will go from 2.7 mill simulateneous users (trap_kaw crawler) to less than 500,000. By then, many Gnet apps will ban LW because of the leeching. The only major Gnutella app then will be Bearshare with its dead development! (but still the best Gnet app by far anyway.)</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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so long good old days...

VTAssault
10-03-2005, 12:32 AM
Yea, i use limewire. Usually for getting my favorite fansubbed anime episodes. thats legal however because of the whole fan made thing.

I do occasionally use it to get music. But i try not to because im a good boy and dont want to get caught, ive known people who have and the fines arent pretty.

As for the article, i have no idea what it says after a certain point, it seems like a first person pov and standard journalism pov got together at a bender.