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TinyTim
09-05-2009, 12:42 PM
Inspired by stalkervision's thread on best defensive fighter, what was in your opinion best offensive fighter of WW2 in its respective years? Offensive in the meaning it was capable of dominating airspace over enemy territory, escort bombers etc...

My vote would go to early Zeros, type 21 in particular (in 1940, 41). They were able to dogfight any other fighter in the service, had nearly unbelieveable range and/or endurance, and could be launched from carriers.

Close second would be shared between P-51 and P-47.

The_Stealth_Owl
09-05-2009, 12:44 PM
I think the Mousqito(spelling?).

Xiolablu3
09-05-2009, 01:05 PM
Fw190

Could carry massive loads, (and I mean truly massive for a fighter in 1941-45)

Torps, massive bomb loads, big cannon.

Just awesome offensive fighter.

P51 2nd cos of its huge fuel load.

3rd Typhoon/Tempest and P47. For their sterling ground attack work.

Erkki_M
09-05-2009, 01:05 PM
P51D by far.

Its faster than most planes at all altitudes, and faster than all of its opposition apart from FW190D9(slower than D9 at low alts, faster/equal at mid, equal/faster at high) and Me 262. Can either more or less easily outrun and outmaneuver/turn most opponents, and easily outrun the rest. Can stay in the air for hours and hours... Great visibility from the cockpit, retains energy well; one of the best planes when flown by 3-4 guys(at least) together in voice comms. It carries a rather heavy bomb load as well.

P51 is by far the best war plane of the game. FW190A9 is close but not quite; lacking some of the turn, speed, climb, visibility but especially range. If P51 has a weakness its the "light" armament, that needs some practice. And even an experienced P51 pilot might still not hit hard enough with his first burst. Another thing is the vulnerable engine which is definately not good in a heavy AAA...

Xiolablu3
09-05-2009, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
I think the Mousqito(spelling?).

Almost right, just put the u after the q instead.

Mosquito

Mr_Zooly
09-05-2009, 04:10 PM
Late war Russian stuff like the La7 and Yak 3/9, late Spitfire and Mustang also.

Tully__
09-05-2009, 06:00 PM
While I personally am not a fan of it, the P-47 would have to at least be in the running.

stalkervision
09-05-2009, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by Tully__:
While I personally am not a fan of it, the P-47 would have to at least be in the running.

definitely

horseback
09-05-2009, 06:17 PM
Mustang, hands down.

Excellent high altitude performance, competitive at other alts, enough range to come at you from almost any direction, one of the top three dive performers of the war (only the P-47 and the Tempest could realistically compete), extremely operator friendly, more than adequate firepower (in real life terms) and SPEED.

In terms of real life results, nothing else came close.

cheers

horseback

TS_Sancho
09-05-2009, 06:34 PM
For pure air superiority the P51 would get my vote.

For fighting its way in, delivering ordance and fighting back out the P47 would be my pick although the F4U Corsair would have to be a contender.

BillSwagger
09-05-2009, 06:40 PM
I look at offense and consider the payload each plane could carry, while also maintaining decent combat capability.
P-47
F4U
P-38
You start narrowing down the late war performance of these planes and they were quite amazing war machines. Even before they reached their peak, they were very capable of flying over heavy flak to drop their bombs on enemy tanks or strong holds, and return to base.

If i were to rate a plane on its ability to fly a tremendous distance and still compete as a fighter then i would have to give the P-51 its due credit but i wouldn't say they dominated the airspace. Often they flew in swarms and overwhelmed their enemies so any decent pilot was often outnumbered 3 to 1. So maybe its better to say, they played a dominate roll but i wouldn't say that plane would dominate a late war 109 in a 1 v 1 scenario.

R_Target
09-05-2009, 07:35 PM
Corsair.

megalopsuche
09-05-2009, 11:32 PM
Looks like some of us have been watching the history channel again.

I like the OP's mention of the A6M2 in the early part of the war, i.e. 1939-1940. Its range was remarkable, it was heavily armed for the time, and could out-dogfight anything, of course.

I'm not so clear about the "escort bombers" criterion. Do you mean, escort bombers over a very, very long distance? Lots of aircraft with relatively short ranges escorted bombers.

If we're restricting the options to aircraft with long range, then my late war choice is the P-47N. Similar range as a P-51D, but more firepower, a radial engine, more speed, higher service ceiling, and more ordnance (if desired). Did I mention a better roll rate? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

RAF_OldBuzzard
09-06-2009, 12:44 AM
Originally posted by BillSwagger:
I look at offense and consider the payload each plane could carry, while also maintaining decent combat capability. ...

QFT!

When you are on offense, you are carrying the war to the other guy, and that includes ground attack.

I'd have to go with the F4U as the best offensive fighter of the war. The late models were as fast as anything else in the air, could hold it's own in air-air combat. Not only could it carry a huge payload, that payload could consist of a very wide range of ordinance.

Now that describes a lot of other very capabile aircraft as well. However, the F4U could do all of that while operating off of a carrier. That is what puts it at the top. It could operate anywhere that any of the others could, plus places where the others couldn't.

Viper2005_
09-06-2009, 06:30 AM
It depends how you define "offensive".

The Typhoon is arguably somewhat offensive to look at. And it was by no means ineffective at plinking tanks.

The Tempest was a great aircraft, though some might argue that it arrived on the scene rather late.

The P-51 was certainly effective, although it wasn't magic; had NAA not come up with the goods then somebody else would have done, with the most likely candidate for range extension being the Spitfire (on the basis that without the Mustang there would have been a lot of Packard Merlins going spare).

The Mosquito has to be in the running, though it thoroughly blurs the distinction between fighter and bomber.

Much the same may be said of the Hurricane, which soldiered on throughout the war, attacking all manner of targets in the air, on the ground and on the water, with a variety of weaponry. A Hurricane IV would no more qualify as an a2a fighter than an A-10 today, but little could be more offensive to a Panzer tank than a pair of 40 mm Vickers S guns.

The P-47 did a great deal of work, with its ground attack career in Italy being especially well documented.

I can't claim to be a great fan of the P-38; going by the rate at which they were disposed of immediately after the war, neither was the USAAF.

On the German side, with only the Bf-109 and Fw-190 to choose from, I have to choose the 109, because it did more offensive work and participated in more victories than the Fw-190, though I believe that the 190 was a far superior fighting machine. In fairness to the 109, its conception preceded the 190 by four crucial years at a time of frantic aeronautical progress. In a modern context, I suppose it's a bit like comparing the 486 to the Pentium.

Xiolablu3
09-06-2009, 07:34 AM
Originally posted by megalopsuche:
Looks like some of us have been watching the history channel again.

I like the OP's mention of the A6M2 in the early part of the war, i.e. 1939-1940. Its range was remarkable, it was heavily armed for the time, and could out-dogfight anything, of course.

I'm not so clear about the "escort bombers" criterion. Do you mean, escort bombers over a very, very long distance? Lots of aircraft with relatively short ranges escorted bombers.

If we're restricting the options to aircraft with long range, then my late war choice is the P-47N. Similar range as a P-51D, but more firepower, a radial engine, more speed, higher service ceiling, and more ordnance (if desired). Did I mention a better roll rate? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

The P47N was so late/rare in WW2 as to be almost none existant?

Daiichidoku
09-06-2009, 08:19 AM
out of what is available in-game, i find the lurch, i-185 and 109z among the most offensive http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

megalopsuche
09-06-2009, 08:27 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by megalopsuche:
Looks like some of us have been watching the history channel again.

I like the OP's mention of the A6M2 in the early part of the war, i.e. 1939-1940. Its range was remarkable, it was heavily armed for the time, and could out-dogfight anything, of course.

I'm not so clear about the "escort bombers" criterion. Do you mean, escort bombers over a very, very long distance? Lots of aircraft with relatively short ranges escorted bombers.

If we're restricting the options to aircraft with long range, then my late war choice is the P-47N. Similar range as a P-51D, but more firepower, a radial engine, more speed, higher service ceiling, and more ordnance (if desired). Did I mention a better roll rate? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

The P47N was so late/rare in WW2 as to be almost none existant? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, they saw combat late in the PTO.

I also considered the F4U-4, but the combat radius isn't close to the 47N.

R_Target
09-06-2009, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
The P47N was so late/rare in WW2 as to be almost none existant?

1800 P-47N were built, most before the close of WWII. 318th, 413th, 414th, and 508th Fighter Groups flew hundreds of VLR sorties against Japan from Ie Shima/Okinawa.

Xiolablu3
09-06-2009, 11:20 AM
Oh yeah, in the Pacific. I mean the 'real' war. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'm from England and I know that WW2 ended in May 1945.

But seriously, thanks for the info, I didnt think there were so many P47N's around in WW2. Did many fight in Europe before May 1945?

R_Target
09-06-2009, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Oh yeah, in the Pacific. I mean the 'real' war. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'm from England and I know that WW2 ended in May 1945.

Heh, heh, yeah I see. Many of us lowly colonials know that the European war was only 50% (or less) of the "real war". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif j/k


But seriously, thanks for the info, I didnt think there were so many P47N's around in WW2. Did many fight in Europe before May 1945?

I don't know if any were in the ETO at all. If so, I would guess they were even rarer than P-47M.

megalopsuche
09-06-2009, 12:07 PM
So far as I know, no P-47Ns served in the ETO.

As for the UK, your country was fighting in the Pacific, too.

Xiolablu3
09-06-2009, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by megalopsuche:
So far as I know, no P-47Ns served in the ETO.

As for the UK, your country was fighting in the Pacific, too.



And where, pray tell, is this 'Pacific'?

megalopsuche
09-06-2009, 12:30 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

stalkervision
09-06-2009, 12:35 PM
Me-110 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Choctaw111
09-06-2009, 12:38 PM
I would have to agree with stalker.
The 110 and what followed with the 210 and 410 were phenomenal.

horseback
09-06-2009, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by megalopsuche:
So far as I know, no P-47Ns served in the ETO.

As for the UK, your country was fighting in the Pacific, too.

And where, pray tell, is this 'Pacific'? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Somewhat to the right of China (think 'Opium War') and above & to the sides of Australia and New Zealand (think 'penal colony' and 'sheep').

cheers

horseback

Xiolablu3
09-06-2009, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by megalopsuche:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

hathu2009
09-06-2009, 12:53 PM
When an offensive fighter is defined as being able to participate in ground support or tactical bombing missions, my choice would be the following:

1. Tempest/Typhoon
2. Corsair
3. P-47
4. Fw 190

All of them can carry a big payload of bombs of rockets, exhibit great firepower and can held their own against enemy fighters.

Pigeon_
09-06-2009, 06:08 PM
So, what happened to the F6F Hellcat? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

R_Target
09-06-2009, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by Pigeon_:
So, what happened to the F6F Hellcat? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Tie for second place with Fw190.

doraemil
09-07-2009, 03:37 AM
ohh

110 . . . it has a can opener cannon and . . .

more choices than the number of time the Fanta girls sing fanta in the back to back commercials in the movie theater.

but you need to rock. and only rockettes work.

so . . .

Corsair.

its BnZ.

you got cannons or machine guns, a wide rocket selection, spicy bomb loadouts.

Its one of the few fighters where one can sink a carrier with one bomb load.

plus you its carrier so you can visit far off islands.

WOLFMondo
09-07-2009, 04:20 AM
FW190 series if your looking at overall wartime performance.

If your looking at specific models of what is the best offensive fighter then (not considering any kind of ground attack ordanance):
1.Spitfire XIV
2.FW190D9
3.Tempest V
4.P47D
5.Yak3

Bremspropeller
09-07-2009, 08:36 AM
P-47N, followed by the F4U-4B (20mm http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif ) by a tight margin.

jarink
09-07-2009, 10:36 AM
YB-40.

general_kalle
09-10-2009, 11:57 AM
Spitfire XIV, P51, Me262, Fockewulf A and D in no particular order.

Tully__
09-11-2009, 03:43 AM
I really think that the question is poorly phrased. "Offensive figher" can mean a lot of things, you need to specify whether you mean an air to air specialist, an all rounder that is good at air to air but also equipped for / capable of some ground attack work if required, or a ground attack fighter that has just enough air to air combat ability that it (usually) doesn't need a specialist escort?

DuxCorvan
09-12-2009, 01:23 AM
I find to Lerche to be quite offensive. It's really an offense.

My gf saw it and had that "interested" look that I found somewhat disturbing.

TinyTim
09-12-2009, 03:11 AM
Originally posted by Tully__:
I really think that the question is poorly phrased. "Offensive figher" can mean a lot of things, you need to specify whether you mean an air to air specialist, an all rounder that is good at air to air but also equipped for / capable of some ground attack work if required, or a ground attack fighter that has just enough air to air combat ability that it (usually) doesn't need a specialist escort?

I agree Tully. However, more that what the best offensive fighter really was (which is nearly impossible to answer without knowing a hell of a lot of additional info like what other planes your AF operates, whether it has carriers or not, what's geographical situation of your country and potential enemies etc etc), the question was rather aimed at revealing what priority list people have when the question is asked. Interestingly, much more people than I anticipated stressed air to ground capability, which of course is cruical if you don't have dedicated tactical ground attacker in your AF. Also, many answers involved best planes overall, not in their respective years. I believe, for example, 190A3 was more dominating in 1941 (in regard to its competition) than D9 was in '44.