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Zippleback
04-19-2010, 11:40 AM
Can anyone please tell me how long a person has to bail out from a P-38 (unmodded game, unsure if it matters) if an engine catches fire?

Are there specific warning signs (in game or audio) to know when the engine might blow up?

Thanks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ar

TinyTim
04-19-2010, 11:50 AM
In short - no, there aren't any signs.

You can, however, try to put the engine fire out by diving and going as fast as you can - there is a chance you'll put the fire out, but that's just temporarily, sooner or later it will flame back up. It might also be a good idea to check what planes have fire extinguishers for the engines - they might come handy in such situations. I remember once being called a cheater by a Brewster B-239 pilot when I managed to put the fire on my engines out repeatedly on a TB-3 bomber. It drove him nuts! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

TheFamilyMan
04-19-2010, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by TinyTim:
In short - no, there aren't any signs.

You can, however, try to put the engine fire out by diving and going as fast as you can... Ever tried "diving (a P-38) and going fast as you can"? Not usually survivable even when not on fire http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Daiichidoku
04-19-2010, 12:21 PM
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Zippleback
04-19-2010, 01:17 PM
Sorry Daiichidoku but it is a genuine question.

Without knowing me, I would say somewhat rude on your part to assume to the contrary.

I sometimes fly the BF110 and know that you can fly for quite a while with an engine fire .... I think there is an in game message that will let you know when your engine is out of fuel and if you do not bail quickly the engine will explode.

In the BF109 and the Tempest, once your engine catches fire you had better bail out quickly or face a quick death.

I am trying to learn the P-38 and while flying offline I seem to get shot up with great east by the ace AI and frequently have had my engine on fire.

I simply am looking to see if I should bail out right away or do I have some flying time?

I have asked it here in this Forum as I thought someone might know.

Wildnoob
04-19-2010, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by TinyTim:
but that's just temporarily, sooner or later it will flame back up.

Even if you turn the magneto off?

ROXunreal
04-19-2010, 01:56 PM
I don't claim that I have a heap of experience with the p-38, but it is my main ground attack platform and every single time that my engine caught fire, I could fly forever. It just won't blow up, it won't do anything, just burn. Wing fuel tanks are another thing, those blow up pretty fast, but my engines flamed out at least 15 times during my P-38 experience, and every time I could make it back to base, even if flying for 10 minutes while burning.

AndyJWest
04-19-2010, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by Zippleback:
Can anyone please tell me how long a person has to bail out from a P-38 (unmodded game, unsure if it matters) if an engine catches fire?

Are there specific warning signs (in game or audio) to know when the engine might blow up?

Thanks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ar

I'd have thought that in real life, if you had an engine fire you couldn't extinguish immediately you wouldn't hang around for 'warning signs' - aren't the flames enough?

blairgowrie
04-19-2010, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by ROXunreal:
I don't claim that I have a heap of experience with the p-38, but it is my main ground attack platform and every single time that my engine caught fire, I could fly forever. It just won't blow up, it won't do anything, just burn. Wing fuel tanks are another thing, those blow up pretty fast, but my engines flamed out at least 15 times during my P-38 experience, and every time I could make it back to base, even if flying for 10 minutes while burning.

What Rox says. My experience with the P38 too.

Falcke
04-19-2010, 03:29 PM
The engine on fire isn't dangerous, just watch for the message of it spreading to your fuel tanks. That one does blow up.

M2morris
04-19-2010, 04:12 PM
I mistook shift-F for fire extinguisher in an F4U once and my wings folded instead sending my arse in the ocean. Fire went out alright.

julian265
04-19-2010, 08:13 PM
400 km/h is the 'extinguishing' speed for the 38. Just stay a tad above that and the fire stays out. (or at least dark smoke only)

I don't like it, but that's how it is.

WTE_Galway
04-19-2010, 08:34 PM
When first released I recall the p38 in game actually had an extinguisher fitted http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It was removed in later patches I think.

AndyJWest
04-19-2010, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by M2morris:
I mistook shift-F for fire extinguisher in an F4U once and my wings folded instead sending my arse in the ocean. Fire went out alright.
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I think the Pacific will extinguish most fires. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Zippleback
04-20-2010, 06:03 AM
Thank you ROXunreal & blairgowrie for letting me know that I do have some flying time when my engine catches fire ..... I guess I will treat the situation like a BF110 and when the engine is out of fuel I'll bail.

AndyJWest, the flames are enough of a warning sign, but I guess as this is a simulation, it is easier to risk one's life as there is no price to pay if you lose .... If it were true WWII combat, I am unsure if I could ever muster such intestinal fortitude as to fly combat sorties.

Thank you all for responding.

ROXunreal
04-20-2010, 08:38 AM
Then again, in real ww2 if my plane had 2 engines and one caught fire, and I was beyond enemy lines, ESPECIALLY if I was over bloody Japan, I would do anything I can to get as close to my lines as I can, fire or no fire, if I can maintain enough altitude to bail successfully.

Frankthetank36
04-20-2010, 10:01 AM
The P-38 flies fine on one engine if you have sufficient altitude and airspeed, why not just dive to put out the fire and then turn the burning engine off?

AllorNothing117
04-20-2010, 11:02 AM
-Engine's won't blow up but fuel tanks will
-Diving will put the fire out and is perfectly possible, even with the over moddeled compression
-You can fly home on 1 engine
-The fire will spread to your fuel tanks if you leave the engine on fire for long enough
-The 38 has no fire extinguishers

I fly the P-38 almost exclusivly, if my engine catches fire I personaly dive to put the fire out, turn the engine off and head straight for base. You should get to base fine with suficient Altiditude. You should at least get to friendly teritory unless you were very deep into enemy lines when it caught fire.

Hope that helps http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Zippleback
04-21-2010, 10:04 AM
It does AllorNothing117, thanks! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

wheelsup_cavu
04-23-2010, 12:49 PM
Good info AllorNothing.


Wheels

Jumoschwanz
04-25-2010, 08:29 AM
Likewise, if you are attacking a P-38, make sure you hit it until it falls apart or explodes. On more than one occasion I have hit P-38s, saw them burst into flame and broke off thinking I had done my job only to have them fly all the way home.

Same goes for B-24, they will fly forever with flames streaming out of the engine too.

Of course this is in the official version of the sim, who knows what different modders have done when applying their personal "opinions" to the aircraft damage models they mess with....

ROXunreal
04-27-2010, 07:38 AM
Well it's a good thing the 38 falls apart easy then, especially the tail which has the durability of a Zero wing.

That's why people want to be FAST in a p-38. Almost nothing will catch a lightning after it drops its load from a long, shallow dive, unless it has much more altitude and notices the 38 early enough.