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gdfo
07-02-2007, 07:25 PM
No if's and or buts' assume that $ is not an a problem. The BEST CRT Monitor? is...

Crash_Moses
07-02-2007, 08:44 PM
http://www.viewsonic.com/products/crtmonitors/graphicseries/g225fb/

$500

Checked Circuit City, Best Buy, Samsung, Walmart, Tiger Direct, and NEC. Nada.

If you want something better than the Viewsonic I suggest e-Bay. Nobody makes 'em anymore...

buzzsaw1939
07-02-2007, 09:13 PM
LOL.. I was going to tell him, I can't speek for all the crt's, but I am very happy with my ViewSonic ultrabrite!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Crash_Moses
07-02-2007, 09:17 PM
I'm still using my old 19" MAG. Lasted me five years so far. I've been working on an upgrade schedule though...gonna be a touch choice.

RAF_OldBuzzard
07-03-2007, 12:27 AM
http://www.accurateit.com/details.asp?iid=156

End of discussion!

Fighterduck
07-03-2007, 01:45 AM
still worth to get crt instead of flat monitors?

(personally i think yes...but just wanna another opinion ^^ )

gdfo
07-03-2007, 04:22 AM
Thank you.

I know that some gamers say that the LCDs are better now and as good as the CFT's and some say they are better. That may be. But I am thinking that the really good LCD's are still more expensive than the best CRTs'.

I guess the time is coming when CRT's will not be available at all. Then I think of the MS FF stick and kick myself for not buying several when they were being closed out.

Crash_Moses
07-03-2007, 05:31 AM
Nice OldBuzzard...I wouldn't be unhappy with that sitting on my desk.

I think a good CRT is just as good as a nice LCD at this point. Especially since you don't have to muck around with native resolutions and such.

Pigeon_
07-03-2007, 07:44 PM
Try IBM's Thinkvision. My father just got a 22" off Ebay for only € 50,-. Looks great!

Bolt40
07-03-2007, 07:51 PM
I traded my 19in Samsung CRT for a 22in westinghouse LCD , there was a BIG difference in graphic quality for the better , now games like IL2 , RO and MAW look alot better at 1680 x 1050 than the older one . got it for $ 305 @ Tigerdirect

stansdds
07-04-2007, 05:30 AM
Here's an interesting comparison of CRT vs. LCD monitors.
http://www.ergoindemand.com/lcd_and_crt_monitor_comparison.htm

I switched from a 17 inch flat screen CRT to a 17 inch LCD several years ago, I have no desire to go back to a CRT.

x6BL_Brando
07-04-2007, 06:24 AM
I've been using a 19" Iiyama Vision Master 451 for almost ten years. I run FB at 1280x960 with a refresh rate of 100Hz on it.
In it's time, I've seen no reduction in sharpness & clarity. I'll be upset to lose it.

I still see then around on eBay (there are about 20 listed in the UK) and they go at reasonable prices, but the problem is pick-up.
Size, weight, safe packaging and postage costs make delivery a problem that most sellers (and buyers) prefer to avoid.

B

TgD Thunderbolt56
07-04-2007, 06:56 AM
There is no doubt that the guys in it as a business still prefer the color control they have with a CRT. For the non-professional, though, the nicer LCD's simply do more for me.


LCD's

*They use less power
*They put out MUCH less heat
*They are more readily available in widescreen (thus more versatile if used for movies as well as games that support the format)
*They have a small footprint
*They have less negative effects on your eyes...regardless of your refresh rate

Hey, if you want a great CRT, the Viewsonic is definitely badass (I had 2 19" viewsonics), but for the same $500, you could get a 24" LCD http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


TB

R_Target
07-04-2007, 09:56 AM
I just went through a nightmare with the g225fb and Provantage. The first one they sent me was awful, no convergence settings could give me a clear picture and the color purity was totally hosed, with big purple and yellow splotches. Note that this was a brand new monitor in the Viewsonic factory box. I sent it back for RMA and the second one was only slightly better. I sent that back and I'm getting a refund.

I bought Viewsonic because I've had a variety of their monitors over the years, including several "Salvation Army Specials", one of which (GS790) is still soldiering on as my second monitor right now.

As I said, the g225s that they sent me were in the factory box, the screen face was unblemished, the casing unscratched, hell they even smelled new. Based on this, I kind of ruled out my first idea that this was a bait-n-switch with refurb monitors being sold as new.

Anyway, I guess the moral of the story is don't buy it if you can't see it in action first. Right now I'm using a Mitsubishi Diamond Plus 200 21" that I got for $30 at, where else, the thrift store. It's far from perfect, but it's loads better than those two g225s.

gdfo
07-05-2007, 04:14 AM
I can understand the benefits of the LCD as far as energy consumption and weight and footprint. I whole heartedly agree that those are important.

At the same time I have never seen a flight sim as a demonstrator in an electronics outlet and the sales people seem to 'reccomend' LCD monitors that to me did not seem to have very good pictures.

If I have a problem like R_Target had I will definitely get return the monitor and get my money back.

stansdds
07-05-2007, 05:07 AM
Originally posted by gdfo:
I can understand the benefits of the LCD as far as energy consumption and weight and footprint. I whole heartedly agree that those are important.

At the same time I have never seen a flight sim as a demonstrator in an electronics outlet and the sales people seem to 'reccomend' LCD monitors that to me did not seem to have very good pictures.

If I have a problem like R_Target had I will definitely get return the monitor and get my money back.

Sales people in stores work on commission and they push certain brands. The stores themselves are not likely to stock the best components because they need a hefty markup in order to pay their bills and make a profit. So retail stores are not always the best place to buy. You can sometimes go to a retail store and see something demonstrated, then go to an online only store (no retail location means low overhead which means lower prices to you) and make a purchase, often getting a much better product for the same amount that you would pay for an inferior item at your local retailer.

RamsteinUSA
07-05-2007, 07:21 AM
Side note on CRT vs LCD. It appears those with LCD minitors can see object up to 5,000 feet away sooner, clearer, and easier than those with CRT Monitors. After many tests in simulations with both, this was the conclusion I had with others helping in the tests. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

BTW, I am still running a 21" CRT. I just have to live with it for now..

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

WOLFMondo
07-05-2007, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
There is no doubt that the guys in it as a business still prefer the color control they have with a CRT. For the non-professional, though, the nicer LCD's simply do more for me.


In my experiance in working in both web and game development where there are allot of graphics people, business that can't afford to buy new kit stick to old CRT's but those with a little cash give everyone LCD's or varying quality. Most of us here have 2 Dell 17" LCD's while the graphic/artists have 24" Dell 2407's or 23" Mac LCD's.


Originally posted by gdfo:
At the same time I have never seen a flight sim as a demonstrator in an electronics outlet and the sales people seem to 'reccomend' LCD monitors that to me did not seem to have very good pictures.


Thats because 99% of LCD's that come with PC's in stores are ****. A decent Ilyama, BenQ or Samsung LCD is something to behold. Once you get a good LCD/TFT you won't ever go back to a CRT, especially if its a widescreen one. The problem I've found buying LCD's/TFT's is there is allot of bad ones out there and misinformation, especially where response time is concerned.

gdfo
07-06-2007, 04:03 AM
I did see a samsung 17 inch LCD in a store that seemed to have graphics better than the bigger samsung lcd that they had on display.

None of them had a game hooked up though.

Too late anyway I bought a CRT and expect delivery next week.

I never heard of Ilyana or Benq before.

WOLFMondo
07-06-2007, 06:49 AM
Neither really build monitors for the mass market like Dell or Viewsonic or Samsung, Ilyama and BenQ are more for professional needs hence the slightly higher price tag but far superior displays.

depalmer
07-07-2007, 03:29 AM
Originally posted by gdfo:
No if's and or buts' assume that $ is not an a problem. The BEST CRT Monitor? is...

I doubt you will find one that beats the newer LCD's. You can try used but they only last so long. I had a Sony A series 19 inch professional model (Manufactured 1999) till a few months ago when the tube went. I could not find a CRT new that looked as good. Got a LG L1932TQ LCD (1400 to 1 contrast ratio 4ms refresh)and will never go back to CRT's for all the reasons already stated in this thread.

TgD Thunderbolt56
07-09-2007, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
while the graphic/artists have 24" Dell 2407's or 23" Mac LCD's.


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Placed my order last week for a new Dell 2407WFP Ultrasharp but found out today they are backordered for another week. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif


TB

Daytraders
07-10-2007, 10:00 AM
crt's still the best for sure, i love my true blacks and no tft/lcd does that yet or even close to it, even the tft/lcd makers say themselves say crt is better but i think oled/sed screens might come close when they arrive.

ddsflyer
07-13-2007, 03:59 PM
NEC 2141FP

gdfo
07-14-2007, 02:44 PM
It arrived yesterday. I have never seen anything like it before.

Daytraders
07-14-2007, 02:59 PM
what model crt did you get in the end m8

B16Enk
07-27-2007, 02:01 PM
I've been using a 19" Iiyama Vision Master 455 running @ 1600 x 1200 via a 7800GTX.

It's my second Diamondtron M2-CRT tube screen, the first Mitsubishi 17" is still going strong after 3 or 4 years.

CRTs are all but impossible to find in the UK now, or I don't know where to look http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

My wife has an Iiyama 17" LCD. It's nice but I prefer my CRT still.

gdfo
07-27-2007, 04:01 PM
I see the thread is still going. LOL

OK. Since I ordered and recieved a new Viewsonic G225f CRT. I have learned about the Ilyama and other great LCD's. The Great LCDs are more expensive than what I ended up with.

I wish I could afford a couple more of these and one of those Ilyamas also. Perhaps the good CRT's will become like the MS FF stick.

Airmail109
07-29-2007, 02:57 PM
LOL i managed to get my hands on an all but impossible to find 32 inch smasung High defenition crt tv!

My tv broke, and i wanted to have an HD display for my 360 but a decent display for standard broadcast images. HD lcds look horrible on standard broadcasts, this looks great! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Took me ages to find one

Freelancer-1
08-03-2007, 12:24 AM
CRTs are great if you like:

A) Tiny little screens

B) Regular aspect (not wide screen)

C) Taking up your entire desk with a 150lb hunk of glass and plastic.

A decent monitor now starts at 24" and a good one starts at 27. The best is 30".

You just can't get that kind of real estate in the CRT flavor.

Not only that but who makes 'em anymore?

Daytraders
08-03-2007, 05:24 AM
Originally posted by Freelancer-1:
CRTs are great if you like:

A) Tiny little screens

B) Regular aspect (not wide screen)

C) Taking up your entire desk with a 150lb hunk of glass and plastic.

A decent monitor now starts at 24" and a good one starts at 27. The best is 30".

You just can't get that kind of real estate in the CRT flavor.

Not only that but who makes 'em anymore?

alot of that is true but some people like me still put quality before size http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and 19" is fine for gaming, until tft/lcd screens can match the quality of crt its a big no no for me.

RAF_OldBuzzard
08-03-2007, 08:57 AM
Freelancer:

Tiny screen? No widescreen? You need to visit this link that I posted once before: http://www.accurateit.com/details.asp?iid=156

24" of widescreen CRT goodness.

Granted, it's a bit on the heavy side (92.6 Lbs), but I'll put up with that for the advantages that CRT's have over LCD's.

Much better color fidelity, higher refresh rates, and not being locked-in to the 'native resolution'

TheShark888
08-03-2007, 06:27 PM
And my Betamax tapes are of a much higher quality than VHS... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

Buzzard & traders' it's 2007 - throw out your CRT's!!!

Daytraders
08-03-2007, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by TheShark888:
And my Betamax tapes are of a much higher quality than VHS... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

Buzzard & traders' it's 2007 - throw out your CRT's!!!

hehe but we both like the superiour image quality of the crt's over tft/lcd thats not our fault http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif and i hear all these horror storys of gamers going back to there trusted crt monitors as they were not happy with the flatscreens.

and true the betamax was far better than vhs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif