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Box-weasel
05-08-2006, 11:00 AM
I rented this expecting to see an accurate depiction of Marine combat during Desert Storm and was instead treated to a Hollywood portrayal of the Marine corps as being basically impotent and comprised of felons and ******s with homosexual inclinations.
Don't waste your money.

Tooz_69GIAP
05-08-2006, 11:04 AM
Read the book, the book is much better. But the film does represent the book reasonably well, just leaves loads of stuff out. So, for Swofford, it IS a realistic depiction of Gulf War combat.

Megile_
05-08-2006, 11:06 AM
ummm... thanks?

Waldo.Pepper
05-08-2006, 11:19 AM
I thought it was a good movie. I liked it.

3.JG51_BigBear
05-08-2006, 11:25 AM
The guy who wrote the book was one of my girlfriend's professors in college when she went to Louis and Clark University so I got dragged to see it. I heard the book was really good but the movie was a real POS.

Ruy Horta
05-08-2006, 11:27 AM
hehe, must be a better movie than I hoped for if it's generating this kind of critque.

StG2_Schlachter
05-08-2006, 11:35 AM
Well, failed expectations...
Doesn't mean it's a bad movie. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Monson74
05-08-2006, 11:43 AM
Haven't seen it - don't think I will. His book was good though - he's a great writer with a strong "tone" or "voice" in his language - I don't know how to put it but I hope you know what I mean.

Xiolablu3
05-08-2006, 11:47 AM
Didnt like the film.

Sort of National Lampoons Go to Iraq...

georgeo76
05-08-2006, 12:29 PM
What the marines did was called operation Desert Saber.

Desert Storm was the air war.

GrinderX9
05-08-2006, 12:51 PM
Bad movie, dont use your mony on it.

WOLFMondo
05-08-2006, 01:05 PM
I thought it was a pretty good film. Entertaining anyway...isn't that the point of a film?

Carcano1970
05-08-2006, 02:37 PM
You know, I didnt really care for the movie, but being in the service during the war, I understand the fustration. Its kinda a bummer when all you do is train, and you dont ever get a chance to put what you have learned to the test.

willyvic
05-08-2006, 02:39 PM
Saw it. Was OK. But I couldn't help thinking Appocolypse Now during portions of the flick. Wonder if it was intentional.


WV.

Capt_Haddock
05-08-2006, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by Box-weasel:
I rented this expecting to see an accurate depiction of Marine combat during Desert Storm ...

Well, that's exactly what the film shows. Pointless training for nothing. Pretty realistic IMHO. Highly recommended http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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LStarosta
05-08-2006, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by Box-weasel:
I rented this expecting to see an accurate depiction of Marine combat during Desert Storm and was instead treated to a Hollywood portrayal of the Marine corps as being basically impotent and comprised of felons and ******s with homosexual inclinations.
Don't waste your money.

Marines don't jack off?

SUPERAEREO
05-08-2006, 03:50 PM
Not seen the movie yet, but the book is well written.

In places it made me even think of CĂ©line, strangely enough...


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stelr
05-08-2006, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by georgeo76:
What the marines did was called operation Desert Saber.

Desert Storm was the air war.

Not sure what the Marines called their offensive operations, but the entire "joint & combined" offensive operation was called DESERT STORM. DESERT SHIELD was the defensive operations conducted while building forces to launch DESERT STORM.

DESERT STORM has at least four phases; at least one of which was the air campaign conducted prior to the major ground offensive.

The air campaign probably had it's own designation established by the air component commander, but I don't recall. Just remember being woken up in the middle of the night by all the aircraft flying overhead, OTW to their targets. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

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BSS Stel

CornbreadPattie
05-08-2006, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by Box-weasel:
Hollywood portrayal of the Marine corps as being basically impotent and comprised of felons and ******s with homosexual inclinations.

******ed homosexual felons? Looks like they finally got something right. Well let's not forget anger management problems and the ever dropping IQs and sense for reality, but yeah, it sure sounds like Hollywood did their homework on the USMC....... SHAAAAZZZAAAAM

georgeo76
05-08-2006, 06:07 PM
Desert Sabre (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/desert_sabre.htm)

stelr
05-08-2006, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by georgeo76:
Desert Sabre (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/desert_sabre.htm)

Yep. Ground campaign my have been later designated DESERT SABRE (not while we were attacking...maybe later). Regardless, my point was that DESERT STORM was not just the air campaign. It was the entire "joint & combined" offensive operation.

At the time I was just a BN S3 in the 2D BDE, 82D ABN, attached to the 6th French Light DIV, but my old roomate (Toomey) served on LTG Luck's staff and later wrote a book about the whole war. I'll have to ask him what the air campaign was dubbed.

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BSS Stel

I_KG100_Prien
05-08-2006, 10:53 PM
Well, that's exactly what the film shows. Pointless training for nothing. Pretty realistic IMHO. Highly recommended http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Well, it's not pointless training when it comes right down to it. The reason behind a lot of the seemingly "pointless" training we do in the military actually serves the purpose of keeping our skills sharp should we ever have to put them to use.

Still doesn't change the fact we like to ***** and complain when we do repetitious training when we'd rather be at home on the couch or out on the beach http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Friendly_flyer
05-09-2006, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by I_KG100_Prien:
The reason behind a lot of the seemingly "pointless" training we do in the military actually serves the purpose of keeping our skills sharp should we ever have to put them to use.

Well, it does become pointless when you train and train, but never get to use it. If I'm not entierly misstaken, this is the point the movie tries to make.

Taylortony
05-09-2006, 01:52 AM
I enjoyed the DVD

dadada1
05-09-2006, 03:39 AM
Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
I thought it was a pretty good film. Entertaining anyway...isn't that the point of a film?

The point of film surely is storytelling, if it can be done skillfully then so much the better. Film as entertainment is generally an empty experience long term.

HotelBushranger
05-09-2006, 05:23 AM
I thought it was alright http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

I_KG100_Prien
05-09-2006, 09:29 AM
Well, it does become pointless when you train and train, but never get to use it. If I'm not entierly misstaken, this is the point the movie tries to make.


Fight like you train. Train like you fight. It may suck to not get to use it. But at least you have it. My point was that "pointless" training is never.. "pointless"

Bo_Nidle
05-09-2006, 02:06 PM
Read the book, it was okay but something of an anti-climax...oh I think I just got the point of it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Friendly_flyer
05-09-2006, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by I_KG100_Prien:
Fight like you train. Train like you fight.

It is the old roman priciple of training and warfare. I've had my spell in the Army, I certainly know the principle. My point (and I thinkt the films too) is that very hard training towards a battle that never takes place will wear you down in the end, just like endless combat would.