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Worf101
12-05-2005, 12:03 PM

MLudner
12-05-2005, 12:10 PM
I won't be flying on-line until I have replaced my CH Pro pedals. I lost flying ability when they broke http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif. Twist does not work well for me because I get confused in my hand movements. One thing I just can't do right now, for example, are hammerhead stalls. With the pedals I could do them in 109's, as one P-47D pilot should be able to attest to, since I used one to evade his boom and zoom attack on-line once.

Hydra444
12-05-2005, 12:14 PM
When I first started playing,I had the crappiest moniter.Didn't matter what I set the res to,nothing helped.But,saved up the cash-money and got me a nice big one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif and haven't looked back

danjama
12-05-2005, 01:35 PM
I dont have any of the above apart from a headset/mic. But i didnt vote because i dont think it improved me. In fact, when we used to get on comms, we wud be chattin so much we would get bounced. I hate comms. I prefer the lovely sounds of IL2 that my audigy renders for me. At least then i can nurse my engine and hear the bullets hittin my head armour.

I would vote for joystick if it was there.

MEGILE
12-05-2005, 01:42 PM
My speedhack

Kuna15
12-05-2005, 01:51 PM
Bigger faster machine or Monitor.

Funny thing it has only 2 votes so far. I guess most of you guys don't remember how it is playing FB on crappy 15" monitor on "realistic" mode searching for little dots... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I have decent machine Athlon 3.2 1GBRAM, tho.

Now I get myself 19" LCD and it made biggest difference.

It's almost in the same category as playing FB with or without joystick. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Saunders1953
12-05-2005, 02:28 PM
Innate skills. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Er, was that innane skills? I always forget.

dieg777
12-05-2005, 03:56 PM
Track IR http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

fordfan25
12-05-2005, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
My speedhack

I KNEW IT!!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

ploughman
12-05-2005, 04:05 PM
I'm still in 17" monitor, ****ty joystick hell with a 1.5mhz CPU, sometimes I suffer from the combat simulation of envy.

Tallyho1961
12-05-2005, 05:03 PM
TrackIR hooked me on flight simming. Pedals are also an awesome piece of gear - once you get your feet in the game, you'll never look back. Pardon the mixed metaphor.

polak5
12-05-2005, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by Kuna15:
Bigger faster machine or Monitor.

Funny thing it has only 2 votes so far. I guess most of you guys don't remember how it is playing FB on crappy 15" monitor on "realistic" mode searching for little dots... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I have decent machine Athlon 3.2 1GBRAM, tho.



I know what that is like i just to play on a 13inch monitor. New monitor makes all the difference http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

PF_Coastie
12-05-2005, 05:44 PM
I think you missed one very important thing.

I would have to say the thing that helped me most was "being part of my squad". That alone has made me a better virtual pilot 10 fold over all the things above combined.

T_O_A_D
12-05-2005, 06:34 PM
My Wingman
My pedals
My trackIR doesn't make me better, but if the game don't support it, I won't be any good at it, because I just won't play it.

blakduk
12-05-2005, 06:42 PM
The thing that helped me most was a forcefeedback stick. It helps enormously with 'feeling' what the plane is doing near stalls etc.
But the trackIR has improved my ENJOYMENT of the game immensely, it makes the VR world seem bigger.

Pirschjaeger
12-05-2005, 07:01 PM
None of the above. This is my first sim and basically the same equipment.

Maybe I could point out that when I was using the x45 throttle with the 3D Gold, control was a bit easier, but it didn't make that big of a difference.

Fritz

Bearcat99
12-05-2005, 07:32 PM
In order of importance.....

1-Rudder control-any will do. When I hooked up with the AH_RTs in CFS1 under Dullknife and Patches and crew, I had a Logitech Wingman 2 with no rudder control. I got owned EVERYNIGHT. Then I got a decent stick.. which happened to be FFB. The FFB in itself didnt help me but the fact that I now had rudder control did.
2-A better P.C.- You can have all the bells and whistles you want... but try to run this sim on a weak rig and you will be in slideshow heaven. When I started simming in earnest I had a PII 233MHZ box with a 16M ATI Rage 128 video card (This was actually an upgrade from an S3.... 8M I think) on 256M of PC100 RAM with a no name sound card. Even on CFS1 I was hamstrung.. and I didnt even know it.. I upgraded my video to a Riva TNT 64M and I still couldnt run that P-47 bomber escort mission in CFS1, but the stick helped me to at least not be frustrated every night. I wound up upgrading my PC for CFS3 @ 2 months before it came out... to a XP1600, SB16 sound,512M of PC133 RAM and a Radeon 9000 128M video card. I was never owned in CFS1 again. After that I could ho;ld my own with anyone.. I won some.. I lost some.... but it was never an easy victory from then on. Needless to say when CFS3 came out what I thought was my Red Hot Mega Rig.. (I looked at those $200 plus video cards and said "Pfft!! Ya RIGHT!! $200 for a video card!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif.... little did I know.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif) I had trouble with it from day 1.... However.. in the meantime I had picked up this sim called IL2 I had seen on the shelves for months but never bought because the system reqs were beyond my little PII.... across the board.... I had looked at the box.. and noted the absence of the usual suspects as far as the plane set went... and I actually started to buy it before anyway, it looked.... interesting.... but I had been burned by buying beyond my rigs capabilities in the past so I just passed it up.... but now with my new 1.6 G, 512M system... and on the recomendation of a guy named Phil.. whom, I never saw again, I bought IL2... and everything changed. Now I am amazed at how frugal I usedf to be and it blows my mind how much I have spent on simming since that day... and the funny thing is.. I dont regret it one bit.. In fact, if I had it to do all over knowing what I know I would spend more outright... I know i cant break the bank.. but I will never nickel and dime myself again. Now I am running an an XP3200,2G DDR400RAM,6800GT 256 OCd, 430W Antec True power, Soundstorm audio on a 19" Samsung CRT with Logitech Z540 5.1 speakers and a MSFFB2/Saitek X-45/CH Pro USB pedals/TIR/VAC setup that rockes my little world. Even with that my PC will choke whe n the action gets too heavy.

3-Time. Nothing beats experience.. and this sim was a whole nother animal. I was pretty good at CFS1... it took me a while just to be able to take off in IL2.

So anyway... after all that longwinded drama.... and in my humble opinion in of course, all these bells and whistles dont really mean didly.. except of course a rig that will run the sim of choice as smoothly as possible, and a controller that will let you utilise all the functions of the sim. Got a hat? You're good to go. Got rudder control? OUTSTANDING!! Take to the skies!! Can you control your throttle, flaps, pitch, views,and other controls in a efficient, effecticve manner? GREAT!!! But I gotta tell ya... a HOTAS, pedals, TIR, VAC and whatever other goodies you can afford though not essential are the SHIZNIT!!!!! The bottom line for me is ... am I having fun? Do I feel immersed? Because really thats all that matters... One man's immersion is another man's nightmare.... but for me.. if I can do what I like I am in there..... and all the above mentioned things.... that I mentioned and that Worf mentioned help me do what I like, the way I like it, better. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

tagTaken2
12-05-2005, 08:37 PM
Better rig?

How many fps does it take? I average about 35, which seems smooth enough to me...

First decent joystick I got blew me away- I've had 7 so far, and only two of them have been anygood- all of a sudden I could hit things. I love my TrackIR, but being able to place the pipper right over the pilots head and keep it there at 600k+... priceless. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

SlickStick
12-05-2005, 08:55 PM
I'd have to go with the general theme and agree that although better equipment makes the human interface easier, true skill in this game is measured the same way it was back in WWII*.

The man behind the controls. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Coastie also hit on a good point, as my sharpest climb in flight knowledge came when I joined a squadron back in 2000.

=S= the 9th and 66th of Jane's WWII Fighters!http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Aside from that, out of your list I'd say my HOTAS was my single-most increase in ease of interface.

It allowed more precise trimming, a myriad of assignable functions at my fingertips that make me almost never touch the KB and it gave me a more realistic "feel" of the game. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

*In no way am I even considering that the skill it took those brave men and women, who crammed themselves into those constricting cockpits and faced death everytime they took off, to become aces for their countries, as being the same as flying this game. You get the idea, though.

han freak solo
12-05-2005, 08:59 PM
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/FritzFranzen/A4Wolfedit2.jpg

Holy cr@p, Fritz!

Not as sick as Ploughman's sig, but definitely scarier! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

SlickStick
12-05-2005, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by han freak solo:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/FritzFranzen/A4Wolfedit2.jpg

Holy cr@p, Fritz!

Not as sick as Ploughman's sig, but definitely scarier! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

LOL, I missed that one!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Cool!

Bearcat99
12-05-2005, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by tagTaken2:
Better rig?

How many fps does it take? I average about 35, which seems smooth enough to me...

First decent joystick I got blew me away- I've had 7 so far, and only two of them have been anygood- all of a sudden I could hit things. I love my TrackIR, but being able to place the pipper right over the pilots head and keep it there at 600k+... priceless. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Im not talking about the better for perks rig.. I am talking about a rig decent enough... while true 35fps is good enough.. if you cant get that.. or your settings have to be set so poorly that 80% of the other flyers have better SA than you....... Not only that.... if you cant get a bead on a target because your sub par rig isnt smooth enough..... Thats what I am talking about. Not the perks upgrade.

Lucius_Esox
12-06-2005, 03:27 AM
Fortunately in this sim you cant "buy" your way to success, which is one of the reasons I love it so much.

As BC said enough is needed h/ware wise so you aren't at a disadvantage but the most important thing to make you better is stick time.

Having said that if you got enough cash you can spend more time learning because you don't have to work,,, always sneaks in somewhere http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

nakamura_kenji
12-06-2005, 03:40 AM
answer experience/practise

exception hardware, no there real help much when try maybe make more imersive but no help.

twsity stick, hat/mouse look, no comm(to hard understand), keyboard no hotas i use ^_^

Capt.LoneRanger
12-06-2005, 04:07 AM
Patches 4.01 and later.

HotelBushranger
12-06-2005, 04:09 AM
I'd say either Track IR or pedals. I really want both, however I had to vote for one and it was pedals. Although, I don't have a POV Hat on my joystick, so I could do with a decend looking around device thingy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

p-11.cAce
12-06-2005, 05:47 AM
It may not be making me a better pilot but my new 26" lcd has added immensly to my enjoyment of the game. We still have a bunch of old 15" crt's at work and it is painful to remember playing the original IL-2 on one. We've come a long way!

JG52Uther
12-06-2005, 05:59 AM
Joining my squad made this sim for me.Since then i have aquired X45,TiR,CH pedals,Upgraded comp blah blah blah.The whole thing makes it for me.And even with all that i still suck as a pilot

Worf101
12-06-2005, 07:56 AM
My original thought on this thread was to guage how these individual upgrades affected various pilots in the IL2 Omniverse. Of course practice will improve ones skill but only to a point. A superior pilot who can't check his six easily because neither his stick or keyboard make it easy, can be killed by a poorer pilot who's Track IR and larger better resoluted screen gives him/her a SA advantage. At least this is how I feel.

I'm now in a sqaud and I've seen improvement in my game simply because I've had to finally practice every single night when I get home. Practice gunnery, take off's, landings, carrier ops. It's gotten so bad I finally had to turn on complex engine management. Sheesh, who knew. But as big as those improvements have been I'd have to say TRackIR has been a revelation.

Before TIR I just went wonder woman and used icons and arrows to find the bogeys. Not very realistic but heck, offline do what you want. Now I fly with a locked pit exclusively. Before I never went inverted, never followed diving enemies or got into scissor fights, now I do it all the time cause I can keep the enemy in my sights now. It's been a true revelation for me and I wanted to see how others felt.

After TIR I'd have to put rig and monitor second, and rudder pedals third.

99th Worf101

stubby
12-06-2005, 08:44 AM
No upgrade/dohicky can compete with the gray matter between the ears. Learning to fly smart and value survival proved to be the turning point for me. I have all the gear but that stuff doesn't matter at all if you fly stupid. It's the brain and decisions folks make that prove to be the ultimate factor in virtual pilot success.

A good analogy. A buddy of mine went out and bought 1500 dollar Big Burtha Irons. I kicked his butt with my ol' school, steel shafted Walmart specials. Why? I put faith in my ability not in the sticks. A wise person once told me it's not the bow, but the Indian.

Tully__
12-06-2005, 06:27 PM
The only one that made me a better pilot was comms.

TrackIR is great for SA... if you remember to look around.

Rudder pedals make rudder control easier... if you know how to correctly use rudder.

HOTAS reduces the need to look away from the screen to search the keyboard which can be really handy in a fight, but doesn't actually do anything for flying skill unless the joystick it replaced was so unpredictable as to be almost unflyable.

Bigger faster machine makes it much easier to see and gives much better feedback to flying input. It didn't make me a better flyer, but did allow me to use the skill I had to overcome the enemy instead of using it to overcome the deficiencies of my PC.


Comms allowed me to quickly and efficiently share strategies, ideas, techniques and combat information (intelligence) with the people I'm flying with and consequently allowed me to rapidly identify areas I needed to work on in flying, tactics and strategy.