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10-15-2005, 02:22 PM
This is the 23rd post in a series of topics on the Revised Aircraft & Cockpit Reference Guide that i am working on. It will contain all planes this time blah blah blah ...
Supermarine Spitfire MkVb,c (`41-`43)
Designed by Reginald Mitchell, the Spitfire prototype first flew on 5 March 1936. During the Battle of Britain, the Spitfire MkI was probably the only fighter in the world able to confront the German Messerschmitt BF 109 as equal (1566 MkIs were built). The next major production variant was the MkV (6479 units), which utilised the Rolls Royce Merlin 45 engine for improved speed and high altitude performance. The MkVb version was equipped with cannon, necessary against the better armour of the newer German planes. Compared to the Bf109F2, the MkV was worse at low altitudes, but generally equal at medium to high altitudes, where most fighting took place.
MkVb (Merlin 45 engine): Maximum Speed: 455km/h at sea level and 600km/h at 7100m.
MkVb(CW) (Merlin 46): Maximum Speed: 460km/h at sea level and 610km/h at 7100m.
L.F.MkVb (Merlin 50): Maximum Speed: 505km/h at sea level and 555km/h at 2900m.
L.F.MkVb(CW) (Merlin 50): Maximum Speed: 510km/h at sea level and 560km/h at 2900m.
MkVc(2-cannon) (Merlin 45): Maximum Speed: 455km/h at sea level and 600km/h at 7100m.
MkVc(4-cannon) (Merlin 45): Maximum Speed: 455km/h at sea level and 600km/h at 7100m.
¦ Do not use the MkVs outside the altitude range that they are built for; the MkVb,c are too slow to engage German aircraft below 3000m, and the L.F.MkVb are too slow over 3500m.
¦ They start disintegrating over 750km/h.
Vb: wings - 4x7.7mm Browning (350rpg/21sec on average), wings - 2x20mm <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Hispano MkII</span> (60rpg/6sec). <span class="ev_code_RED">corrected</span>
Vc(2): wings - 4x7.7mm Browning (350rpg/21sec on average), wings - 2x20mm <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Hispano MkII</span> (120rpg/12sec).
Vc(4): wings - 4x20mm <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Hispano MkII</span> (120rpg/12sec).
**Understanding the different Spitfire variants**
The (CW) variants had clipped wings for better roll rate and a small increase in low altitude speed. The L.F. variants were designed for better performance at low altitudes and the H.F. for high altitudes.
Supermarine Spitfire MkVIII (`43)
The Spitfire MkVIII were designed for low-level air superiority operations. Although it was intended to become the next major line of development, the MkIX was preferred. The total production of the MkVIII was 1652 units.
Maximum Speed: 535km/h at sea level and 660km/h at 6400m. Service Ceiling: 12200m.
¦ The MkVIIIs are much sturdier than earlier models; they start disintegrating over 900km/h.
VIII: wings - 4x7.7mm Browning (350rpg/21sec on average), wings - 2x20mm <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Hispano MkII</span> (120rpg/12sec).
Supermarine Spitfire MkIXc,e (`43,`44)
The Spitfire MkIX variant was initially an interim solution, rushed into service to confront the FW190, until the initial problems of the MkVIII were solved. It was assembled from old MkV components and ended up being the next major Spitfire variant of the war, with a total production of 5665 units.
MkIXc (Merlin <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">66</span> <span class="ev_code_RED">corrected</span> ): Maximum Speed: 535km/h at sea level and 688km/h at 7100m.
L.F.MkIXc(CW) (Merlin <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">66</span>): Maximum Speed: 540km/h at sea level and 685km/h at 7100m.
MkIXe (Merlin <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">66</span>): Maximum Speed: 540km/h at sea level and 688km/h at 7100m.
L.F.MkIXe(CW) (Merlin 66): Maximum Speed: 545km/h at sea level and 690km/h at 6400m.
H.F.MkIXe (Merlin 70): Maximum Speed: 535km/h at sea level and 705km/h at 8200m.
¦ The MkIX Spitfires weigh a little less but are generally similar in performance to the VIII.
¦ They start disintegrating at about 900km/h.
IXc: wings - 4x7.7mm Browning (350rpg/21sec on average), wings - 2x20mm <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Hispano MkII</span> (120rpg/12sec).
IXe: wings - 2x12.7mm Browning (250rpg/20sec), wings - 2x20mm <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Hispano MkII</span> (140rpg/13sec).
Supermarine Seafire MkIII (`43)
In 1940 the Royal Navy twice asked the Air Ministry to supply Spitfires, but was turned down both times, since the Spitfires were badly needed for the defence of Britain. When the Battle of Britain ended, the Navy placed an order for MkVa and Vb Spitfires, which with some quick modifications became the (Sea Spitfires) Seafires MkI. Then came the MkII with strengthened landing gear, plus new engine and propeller, and the MkIII with even more powerful engine (1585hp Merlin 55) and double folding wing. The MkIII was mainly used in the Indian Ocean with the Far Eastern Fleet and in the Pacific with the British Pacific fleet.
Maximum speed (L/F): 510/465km/h at sea level and 540/580km/h at 2000/5700m.
¦ The Seafires have poor ground handling and poor visibility when taxiing.
¦ They have good manoeuvrability, but not as good as the contemporary Japanese aircraft.
¦ They start disintegrating at about 750km/h.
Seafire III: wings - 4x7.7mm Browning (350rpg/21sec on average), wings - 2x20mm <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Hispano MkII</span> (120rpg/12sec).

10-15-2005, 02:25 PM
This time I'm sure i have mistakes and I'm sure you'll provide more useful tips than mine.

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==only 2 types to go==
P47, Yaks

10-15-2005, 07:00 PM
Note: All Spitfire's using cannons were using the Hispano Mark II. The Mark I was either the original French design or the early modified British design...either way, no operational Spitfire (to my knowledge) ever used the Hispano Mark I.

All Mark II's.

Some Seafires used Hispano Mark V which had shorter barrels and much improved fire rate but none in-game do.

10-16-2005, 12:50 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Thanks for the correction http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

I need some actual flying tips for the Spitfires, so i'll be more specific with what i ask.
- Do you fly any different the VIII and the IX?
- How do you fly a V against an early 109?

10-16-2005, 06:38 PM
(1) Not really. Performance was fairly similar. The biggest difference was range. The Mk VIII had about 1200 miles range, about double that of the XI which was one of the reasons the VIII was deployed in the far east.

(2) Spitfire V vs 109E/F/G2 try and get the 109 to bleed off any E advantage he might have by suckering him into a turnfight. The Spit V will out turn any 109 with ease and has good low speed handling. The early Spit was a superb dogfighter so that's what you need to do.

On the Vb set cannon harmonisation for close range and only use them when sure of a hit as you only get 6 secs. Machine guns can be harmonised at longer range to nibble away at and/or frighten the 109 into evasive moves which usually bleed E and enable you to close to a point where you'd use your cannon. I'd usually set Mg at 250m or 300m and cannon to 100 or 150m. With cannons harmonised that close it doesn't take many hits from twin hispanos to make a mess of a 109, never mind the 4 cannon set up of the Vc(4).

10-17-2005, 01:26 AM

10-17-2005, 11:40 AM
L.F.MkIXc(CW) (Merlin 61): Maximum Speed: 540km/h at sea level and 685km/h at 7100m.

I thought all L.F. variants of MkIXs had Merlin 66s?

10-17-2005, 04:41 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifApparently you are right. In-game all IX have 66 apart from the H.F.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Thanks for noticing.