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raott002
12-06-2004, 06:42 PM
The downloads section says "Coming Soon" and if you try and search for 3.01 or 3.01m, the search comes up empty.

Wouldn't common sense say there should be a link to patch the game off the main page?

VW-IceFire
12-06-2004, 06:50 PM
http://www.3dgamers.com/games/pacificfighters/downloads/

Works for me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

raott002
12-06-2004, 07:35 PM
Thanks I found it by going into the November archives.

I still do not understand why there isn't a simple obvious link to patch off the main page like there is on every other game. A new player to the game wouldn't even know of the current patch let alone where to find it.

JR_Greenhorn
12-06-2004, 11:04 PM
It is kind of strange to be so sneaky about the recent patches. It was never like this with past patches--always a nice big announcement on the main page with links.

Maybe they want to keep whining down while they fix things, and the big patch with new stuff will be announced normally.

Bewolf
12-07-2004, 03:50 AM
Guess it has to do with those patches being "beta"patches.

Bearcat99
12-07-2004, 05:03 AM
You can always get to Patches through the Essentials link.

diabloblanco1
12-07-2004, 09:38 AM
"Official" Patches are easy enough to find for those that can read and comprehend, old or new.

raott002
12-07-2004, 10:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by diabloblanco1:
"Official" Patches are easy enough to find for those that can read and comprehend, old or new. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So you are saying that going to the "Game Updates" section and getting a "Coming Soon", then having to go to the search area in the forums which doesn't work,then having to go to the archives for November to get the latest official patch is acceptable?

diabloblanco1
12-07-2004, 10:18 AM
I just came to the forum and got it from the sticky with over 5000 hits posted by CrazyIvan. The second place I would have looked not finding it in the game updates section. Then again I have patience and use the noodle a bit.

Forums have always been where you get ALL the info need anyway. Of course that means you'll need to be able to read and comprehend once here, which for some reason has been an increasing problem for some recently.

gwpc
12-07-2004, 11:06 AM
raott02,I completely agree
Quote:"So you are saying that going to the "Game Updates" section and getting a "Coming Soon", then having to go to the search area in the forums which doesn't work,then having to go to the archives for November to get the latest official patch is acceptable?"

diaboloblanco1, Yours are the sort of arrogant insults that put many people off spending any time in this forum. Quote:"Of course that means you'll need to be able to read and comprehend once here, which for some reason has been an increasing problem for some recently."

raott002
12-07-2004, 11:22 AM
diaboloblanco doesn't mention that the CrazyIvan post he refers to is entitled

"302 Patch, Client and dedicated server (302b and 302bm)"

the title says nothing about 3.01 or 3.01m. Of course I could have used the search function but it doesn't work either.

dgaggi
12-07-2004, 11:38 AM
Sounds like Ubi/maddox should have waited and work more of the bugs prior to the release. It appears they aren't treading water when it comes to satisfying the thirst of the masses. My first impression of PF isn't favorable. The off-line campaign missions are long and boring, cockpit visability is below par, cockpit instruments that you can't read with out zooming in. I also expected a lot more out of the on-line experience. I was under the impression that there was going to be a server that 100's of people could play on at the same time. Great graphics, but I think at the cost of playability. I don't mean to sound like I'm bashing the game. Just pointing things that could have been better in my opinion.

VBF-83_Hawk
12-07-2004, 03:27 PM
raott002. Looks like we almost posted at the same time...see my post here in Oleg's forum:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=9581067942

diabloblanco1
12-08-2004, 07:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gwpc:
diaboloblanco1, Yours are the sort of arrogant insults that put many people off spending any time in this forum. Quote:"Of course that means you'll need to be able to read and comprehend once here, which for some reason has been an increasing problem for some recently." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for proving my point. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

gwpc
12-08-2004, 08:52 AM
Please enlighten us Diaboloblanco1, how exactly does that prove your point?. Perhaps if you were able to "read and comprehend" ,as you so eloquently put it, you would have comprehended the original point of this thread, a point that numerous other visitors to this esteemed site have had the temerity to postulate,: what is the point of having a game updates section that still says COMING SOON?

NegativeGee
12-08-2004, 10:39 AM
If we are going to start playing semantics with use of language, why could the thread poster not be more clear with their title?

"Why make it so difficult to patch this game?"

Whereas they actually mean:

"Why do I find it so difficult to locate a download mirror for patches 3.01 or 3.01m?"

You see, the devil is in the detailshttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BuzzU
12-08-2004, 11:43 AM
The original poster is right. You should be able to go to the main page , and click on "Game Updates", and find all the patches all the way back to IL2.
In the time i've been here i've told at least 20 guys how to find patches. I shouldn't have had to tell even one person. It should be easy and obvious to everyone.

gwpc
12-08-2004, 12:54 PM
Semantic a.&n.1.a.Relating to meaning in language; relating to connotations of words...........
Oxford English Dictionary

ergo "playing semantics with use of language" is in fact a tautological statement.

The devil is indeed in the details.

Cajun76
12-08-2004, 01:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dgaggi:
Sounds like Ubi/maddox should have waited and work more of the bugs prior to the release. It appears they aren't treading water when it comes to satisfying the thirst of the masses. My first impression of PF isn't favorable. The off-line campaign missions are long and boring, cockpit visability is below par, cockpit instruments that you can't read with out zooming in. I also expected a lot more out of the on-line experience. I was under the impression that there was going to be a server that 100's of people could play on at the same time. Great graphics, but I think at the cost of playability. I don't mean to sound like I'm bashing the game. Just pointing things that could have been better in my opinion. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is suppossed to be recreating the war in the Pacific, not Ace Combat X (great series, btw) There were many times pilots went out and found nothing at all, or nothing in thier sector and listened to the battle over the radio. Sorry, but if you want to switch on unlimited ammo and hose your way through 20 minutes and 10 waves of ememies, you'll either have to get a different game/sim, or create your own mission.

Which shows you how flexible this game/sim can be. Depending on how you do it, it's an arcade game and/or a simulation. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

horseback
12-08-2004, 01:32 PM
I have to agree with the original post. In the early days of Il-2 Sturmovik up to until just recently, going to the main page would provide you with a clear and easy link to all the applicable patches for Il-2, FB, and then AEP. It was a lot easier to find the patches. Sometimes new managers like to change things not to make things better, but to put their personal stamp on things.

Instead of congratulating ourselves for being "in the know," it would behoove us to welcome and mentor newcomers, because new (happy) buyers of the game guarentee continued support (and more patches). Once you've bought the game, they have your money. It's the expectation of future buyers that leads a company to support the product beyond providing the basic item.

cheers

horseback

VBF-83_Hawk
12-08-2004, 02:44 PM
I also agree with the original poster. For those that dont check the link in my earlier reply, I will post it all here.


Oleg, please consider updating the web page ASAP. I came over from Aces High and it took me a few days to be able to fly IL-2 AEP. I had a friend walk me through all the patchs and what was needed to get on line with Hyperlobby. I must say that the web page is very user unfriendly. I have had several friends join me in comming over from AH but run into problems understanding what all is needed to play on line. The "merge" has made transitions very hard for some.

Below is a copy of an email I sent to some feinds regarding getting started in PF using the merge.


"Unfortunately Il-2 is not very user friendly. It is a basic pain in the arss but if you give it a chance, you will never go back to Aces High.

Here is what you need to get started. IL2's first game was "IL2". Then there was an updated IL2 "Forgotten Battles" also known as IL2 FB. Then there was what was called an expansion package. Its called "Ace Expansion Pack" or commenly refered to as AEP. You will see all of these refered to as "IL2+FB+AEP". What we have here now are Three Games, IL2, "Forgotten Battles" and "Ace Expansion Pack". However, the first two are now combined into one game called "Forgotten Battles" or "FB". So in other words, you need to buy "Forgotten Battles" AND the "Ace Expansion Pack". The game is also available in a "Gold Pack" which includes both "FB" and "AEP". This is where it gets complicated. In order to play "Pacific Fighters" (the third game) ALONG with the other two games you need to get all three games. You do not have to have all three games in order to play Pacific Fighters but you will need all three games in order to play on most SERVERS online! Thats the catch!!!!!

Sorry we are not finished yet.....lol

Hopefully with that explained I can kinda start over. So here is what you need to play on most servers with Pacific Fighters.

1. "Forgotten Battles" (FB) (Install this first) or Gold Pack
2. "Ace Expansion Pack" (AEP) (install second) or Gold Pack
3. Patches (install third)
a. May 19, 2004 102 MB patchil2_aep_201.exe
b. Jul 20, 2004 19.7 MB aep_patch204.exe
http://www.3dgamers.com/games/il2sturmovik2/downloads/


4. "Pacific Fighters" (PF) Version 3.00 (v3.00)

Here is where it really gets tricky. Do to the fact that Pacific fighters can be played alone (Stand Alone) or with the other two games, patches are now devided into two groups. Patches are different for those that have the FB+AEP+PF (also refered to as "merged" hence the small letter m after the version patch). So from here on I will refer to the whole group.

5. Patches
a. v3.01m
http://tc12f.free.fr/maddox/PF_patch301m.exe
b. v3.02b (beta)
ftp://ftp.ubi.com/emea/pf/downloads/patch_302b/PF_patch302b_common.exe
c. v3.02bm (beta)
ftp://ftp.ubi.com/emea/pf/downloads/patch_302b/PF_patch302bm.exe

***FOR ITEM b and c, after download you must tell it were to open the file. It will not automaticly open these two patchs into the IL2 Sturmovik folder which you must do yourself. All other downloads will do this for you.***

6. Hyperlobby Client
http://hyperfighter.jinak.cz/ you need this in order to connect to the servers (game arenas) Nowhere on the website do I see this information. Not even on the UBB sites. I had a friend tell me this was needed.

7. Teamspeak (this is a must for team comunications) ingame voice does not work
http://www.gameon.co.uk/?page=17&cmd=49

Teamspeak information, email me when you get this far.

Good Luck,
Hawk


For guys following the patches, its not that bad, but for guys starting from scratch, several have given up!!!!!!! Is there any way you can get this clearified/simplified and posted on the PF webpage download section?

Ivan's reply was:

"That`s really UBI`s responcibility mate.. Oleg developes, UBI distributes... but they gone MIA on us lately

V!
Regards,



VFC*Crazyivan aka VFC*HOST "


SO, as you can see, it's not Oleg thats the problem, its UBI that has droped the ball on updating the web page.

NOW, Ivan has been the one to try and hold it all together by posting it all here:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=frm&s=400102&f=26310365 the second link down. The problem there is that it doesnt back up to the Il2 patches, Hyperlobby or the 3.01 patch. The 3.-01 patch is not metioned untill you are inside. The link is good for those that are following the updates but IT IS NOT GOOD for those currently trying to transition into the game from more reliable informative games.

Quint1974
12-08-2004, 03:53 PM
I'm just going to wait for the OFFICIAL non-Beta patch. Unless someone can explain this to me...
Heres why...

In my C:/Program Files folder, I have three Ubi folders.

1 Ubi Soft (Notice the space)
2 ubi.com (apparently for the website)
3 Ubisoft (Notice the LACK of space)

Now in those folders, theres a few different things...

In number 1, I have the lOCK ON DEMO,the IL-2 Sturmovik Demo, and IL-2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles.

In number 2 all there is is CORE...website stuff. Nothing important.

In number 3 theres CRYTEK (Far Cry DEMO)
and finally the Pacific Fighters folder.

(I have both the Merged install, and the standalone.)

Now I read the READ ME on the new BETA patch, and i understand everything BUT which folder does the COMMON one go????
In other words, in the Ubi Soft folder with the space, or the Ubisoft no space one?????


Thanks!

~Q~

441Spyder
12-08-2004, 04:31 PM
a small reminder from CI's post on the 3.02 bm and dedicated server thread
<span class="ev_code_RED">*** We would like to remind you that this software is for experienced users </span>
now that you have been reminded perhaps you should wait but if you don't want to then you need to do some reading on how to install thses patches as you need to know where to put them and in what order and if you look around you'll find stuff by hunter82 and by Crazy Ivan on how to do it and the order that is needed

matthewlue
12-08-2004, 10:16 PM
that's funny, if no one gonna update that "Game updates" section, why dont 1C guys just remove that STUPID "Game Updates" section?? That's freaking easy job which reduce alots of argues.

1C guys are really very funny.

fordfan25
12-08-2004, 10:38 PM
hay does anyone know wear i can find the patch 3.01 and 3.02 for this air plane game. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

VBF-83_Hawk
12-09-2004, 06:25 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=1251093052

Quint1974
12-09-2004, 02:47 PM
Now I read the READ ME on the new BETA patch, and i understand everything BUT which folder does the COMMON one go???????

Remember I have 2 Ubi soft folders...one for the merged, and one for the standalone...but where does the COMMON one go?


~Q~

KarmaT0Burn
12-09-2004, 02:50 PM
In Russia, we make game out of fixing game!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v376/estavokalossi/yakov.jpg

Quint1974
12-09-2004, 03:00 PM
lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

VBF-83_Hawk
12-09-2004, 03:07 PM
I put mine in Ubi Soft/IL2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles

fordfan25
12-09-2004, 03:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KarmaT0Burn:
In Russia, we make game out of fixing game!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v376/estavokalossi/yakov.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol

BuzzU
12-09-2004, 03:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KarmaT0Burn:
In Russia, we make game out of fixing game!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v376/estavokalossi/yakov.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

**** that was funny. Thanks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Quint1974
12-11-2004, 09:40 AM
VBF 83 HAWK:
""I put mine in Ubi Soft/IL2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles""

...and you have the exact two same Ubisoft folders I do?
One with the space, and one without?????


Thanks for the help!

I'll wait till I get a response before I mess with anything. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


~Q~

Quint1974
12-13-2004, 11:52 AM
Guess I'll just wait for the official...


~Q~

Quint1974
12-18-2004, 12:23 PM
Darnit!!!!
I wanna play 3.02 too!!!!!!

posted Sat December 11 2004 08:40
VBF 83 HAWK:
""I put mine in Ubi Soft/IL2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles""

...and you have the exact two same Ubisoft folders I do?
One with the space, and one without?????


My old post:
In my C:/Program Files folder, I have three Ubi folders.

1 Ubi Soft (Notice the space)
2 ubi.com (apparently for the website)
3 Ubisoft (Notice the LACK of space)

Now in those folders, theres a few different things...

In number 1, I have the lOCK ON DEMO,the IL-2 Sturmovik Demo, and IL-2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles.

In number 2 all there is is CORE...website stuff. Nothing important.

In number 3 theres CRYTEK (Far Cry DEMO)
and finally the Pacific Fighters folder.

(I have both the Merged install, and the standalone.)

Now I read the READ ME on the new BETA patch, and i understand everything BUT which folder does the COMMON one go????
In other words, in the Ubi Soft folder with the space, or the Ubisoft no space one?????



Thanks again!!!


~Q~

VBF-83_Hawk
12-18-2004, 12:27 PM
IM my post I put "I put mine in Ubi Soft/IL2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles"

There is a space there. I should have made it more clear. I can understand the concerns. It dont take much to screw something up.

In your number 3, is that the stand alone folder? I think it is. The common is for both stand alone and mergerd. I can not help you with the stand alone folder. I do not have stand alone, so I dont know what the number 3 folder is for. Uneducated guess tells me it is for PF stand alone.

http://www.geocities.com/avg_83essex/Image11.jpg

I have no idea what ubi.com/core is used for. I never have been in it.

Fennec_P
12-18-2004, 03:17 PM
All the more reason you should install your games to your own folders, rather than the god-awful directories that are default.

Like c:\FB, or c:\HL2

Then maybe you can get there without having to wade through explorer.