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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 12:45 AM
If you haven't watched it, please do. I am moved beyond words and am, to be quite frank, pretty upset. This one film has made me think more about war than anything else. I now think I know what my grandfather and great grandfather went through in World War II whilst they were in the Army and Navy.

I wish there was a way of typing nothing and saying words at the same time.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 12:45 AM
If you haven't watched it, please do. I am moved beyond words and am, to be quite frank, pretty upset. This one film has made me think more about war than anything else. I now think I know what my grandfather and great grandfather went through in World War II whilst they were in the Army and Navy.

I wish there was a way of typing nothing and saying words at the same time.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 12:47 AM
mattduggan wrote:
- I wish there was a way of typing nothing and saying
- words at the same time.

There is! Its called speaking! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

But yes, Band of Brothers is very good, I own the DVD boxset and it is quite a moving tale.



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07-22-2003, 12:48 AM
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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 12:52 AM
Must've seen it a million times. I am lucky enough to have an awesome surround system at home and the experience is... beyond words.

After seeing the film, my resolution was not to complain about my life to anyone, ever again... Whatever our veterans went through (no matter on what side of the war) is what you'd call a "hard life". Not mine.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 12:56 AM
cuski wrote:
- Must've seen it a million times. I am lucky enough
- to have an awesome surround system at home and the
- experience is... beyond words.

Me too, me too. I have a 600w Surround Sound system and a 32" Widescreen television - the Artillery scenes in The Breaking Point are just... scary.

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:02 AM
I had the DVD, but sold it for cash.. i know i shouldn't have, but i still have the VHS tapes that i recorded when it first aired.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 02:18 AM
I agree a very moving mini-series. I liked the tank battle sceens.

I talked to a WWII tank driver last week. He's a friend of mine. I asked him about his experiences in WWII. He showed me increadible pictures he took. One was of a knocked out Sherman tank with 3 huge holse in the front of it. He said the crew's guts were splattered inside the tank.

His tank, a Sherman, was hit with an HE round broadside. He showed me the picture with him and his crew posing infont of the damage. It knocked off an aromor skirt that covered the tank treads. He was driving it at the time!! Said it was very loud and shook tank. He also showed me a photo he took of a knocked out Panther V. It was icreadible to see these pictures with the narations he gave with them.

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 02:26 AM
I also recommend the book. I didnt read it until after I saw the series.

The only problem is that when you're always reading about men like Richard Winters and Carwood Lipton, the rest of society tends not to measure up.

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 02:36 AM
A very admirable miniseries! Luckily, I read the book before I saw the series. I also own the DVD box set. It probably would have been much more moving if it hadn't have come out 3 years after Saving Private Ryan. Then again, it should not be compared whatsoever to any other work because of its stand alone audacity in film-making, it's authenticity and its "no holds barred" philosophy of story telling employed in such other WWII films as "Das Boot", "Stalingrad" and of course "Saving Private Ryan." What's your favorite episode? My vote is for either "Day of Days" or the Market Garden Episode. Truly remarkable.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 02:42 AM
i loved the mini series. i taped em when they originally aired on hbo. but i still think saving private ryan was a more enjoyable movie. but that wasnt re enacting a true story. it just a hollywood production whereas band is the real deal. my most memorable moment of it and ive only watched it once is when the guy crawls out of his foxhole to save his buddy and loses both his legs.and lives. and the interviews at the end of the series too.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 03:05 AM
Well said, RedDeth. I totally agree.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 03:09 AM
My favorite episode is "Why We Fight".

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 03:22 AM
I remember the first episode I caught, Every other time I had hockey practices. The first one I saw was the episode where they were in the forest during all the shelling. I was amazed and when the guy was crawling around during the barrage and he was going to a foxhole with 2 men in it, he was almost there when a shell landed right on them. I remember the look on his face. He went around some more and he jumped into another one...again a direct hit on the hole but the shell was a dud..."Here gimme one of those"..."i thought you said you didnt smoke"..."I dont"

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 04:08 AM
Yea, that was the second Battle Of the Bulge episode, where they try to take Foy. Those episodes (#6&7) were my favorite after #9.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 04:14 AM
Did you see "The Pianist"? If you like WWII flicks this is a new one worth seeing too.


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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 04:20 AM
THE pianist . i saw it at video but didnt rent it. is it similar to schindlers list in any way? THAT movie was a rough one. definitely made you hate nazi germany.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 08:15 AM
I like the band of brothers more then saving private ryan, i must have watched the dvds over 100 times. Hanging on every word.


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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 08:30 AM
I still ain't figured it....why did they call it Shaving Ryans Privates? hehehehe /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Watched B of B a couple of times, u can't tell one of the lead actors in it is English can ya /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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fluke39
07-22-2003, 08:50 AM
Band of brothers was an excellent series - wish i had it on tape - didn't manage it even though its been on three or more times.

one touch that did impress me was the interviews with the guys that were actually there before each episode - (and at the end) that really helped you appreciate the fact it really happened and these men lived through it. in fact i was almost in tears when the one guy (almost in tears himself) says "my grandchild asked if i was a hero" " and i said no i wasn't a hero - but i served in the company of heroes" - says alot about the selflessness that alot of the guys there seemed to have.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 09:36 AM
This is WWII related but not IL2 related so therefore OT!
Lock plz!
Master

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 09:52 AM
Mastermariner: If u see from the topic that it is not il2 related AND u dont like other than il2 topics then STAY AWAY and let others talk about what they will. thx. buggeroff.

Anyways, i like BoB also and I'm ocnsidering buying the dvd box. The most moving and IMO realistic movie about the war is a finnish film called "Tuntematon Sotilas" which translates to "the unknown soldier". If u really want to see something touching then check that out. There's 2 versions of it, 1st (and better imo) was done in the late 50's and the director was Edvin Laine. I think u can get that with english subtitles.


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fluke39
07-22-2003, 09:55 AM
Master.Mariner wrote:
- This is WWII related but not IL2 related so
- therefore OT!
- Lock plz!
- Master


what the hell do you care !!
isn't WW2 related to il2 anyway?

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07-22-2003, 10:51 AM
Master Mariner wrote:
-- This is WWII related but not IL2 related so therefore OT!
-- Lock plz!
-- Master

Nice post /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I created the post because I was physically moved by Band of Brothers, it is WWII related and people here have an interest in it and undoubtedly had relatives involved in it. I wanted to share my feelings at the time because this film touched my in a way I never thought possible and is truly food for thought.

I also think that I just didn't have a way of expressing my feelings properly, hence my comment 'I wish there was a way of typing nothing and saying words at the same time.'. It's not what I meant to say, more indicitive of not knowing what to say.

Moderators, please don't lock this thread, 'Master Mariner' is way off base here IMHO.

Matt.



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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 11:00 AM
Superb, moving and at times highly disturbing series.

One of the few things to bring tears to my eys.

Made me realise what my grand parents had to do, and did so well.

Respect to them all, and I just wish that if my time comes, I can show just 1% of the courage they had.



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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 11:24 AM
There is A LOT of Hollywoodish about the film though. It's not super-realistic as some might think. Two SS divisions being killed by a 10 man squad? I mean, the other division just ran over the hill without even checking where the gunfire was coming from. It depicted the Germans like fools in most occasions, but I guess that's what sells...

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07-22-2003, 12:23 PM
Red_Storm Wrote rather truthfully...



"There is A LOT of Hollywoodish about the film though. It's not super-realistic as some might think. Two SS divisions being killed by a 10 man squad? I mean, the other division just ran over the hill without even checking where the gunfire was coming from. It depicted the Germans like fools in most occasions, but I guess that's what sells... "


I really liked the film. Seen it twice.- It`s the best war series I`ve seen in a long time, but:

What I would like is to see is something similar from a British point of view. In fact Spielberg(was it?)who produced Band of Brothers should have done a special set featuring the Brits, The Russians and even the German soldier`s point of view. Maybe even other nations. It was a WORLD WAR was it not? It would have been truly fascinating and surely a winner.

Showing just the US point of view was very near-sighted /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif .

Maybe the British and the Russians will come up with something; a sort of Olegg of the movie world! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I think it will eventually happen....



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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 12:24 PM
You can take almost any war movie, and realize that the opposing force just act like primates.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 12:51 PM
Band OF brothers was mostly good/excelent, however there was a few glitches, that bothered me.. like the Tiger, didn't even look like a real one.. much too small /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ) And the Jagdpanther... and yes, the part where they killed a whole bunch of SS-guys, and they just stood there getting killed..

Music was great.. and actors. Though I disliked the two Bastogne-chapters, but rest of the chapters were good. Probably the best (and only) mini-series ever made.. about war /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

A movie from each side's point of view would be excelent.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 12:52 PM
I liked "Pluton B in Vietnam".

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 12:54 PM
I loved band of brothers, and saving private ryan. have you seen we were soldiers??

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:02 PM
Why are you people complaining about them showing it from a US point of view, saying its narrow minded? It was a series about a company in the U.S. Army, not the British or Russian Army. Just because it took place in WWII doesn't mean they need to focus on the whole war, geez. It focused on a single company, that why its in the title for crying out loud; Band of Brothers : E Company, 506th PIR, 101st Airborne.

That comment about it being narrow minded was completely and utterly asinine.

If that is the case, every single war movie ever made is "narrow minded".

So, I guess "The Sands of Iwo Jima" was very narrow minded because it didn't deal with German bombardment of London right?


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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 02:26 PM
The movie was based upon real men and events. If one reads the book, you will find the depictions follow it fairly well.

Remember, these men were the best the US could field. They trained for months before entering combat. They were good, yet suffered crushing casualties themselves.

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07-22-2003, 02:37 PM
BOB rocks. Love it, got it on DVD, in fact, bought a DVD specifically to view BOB.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 02:44 PM
Red_Storm wrote:
- There is A LOT of Hollywoodish about the film
- though. It's not super-realistic as some might
- think. Two SS divisions being killed by a 10 man
- squad? I mean, the other division just ran over the
- hill without even checking where the gunfire was
- coming from. It depicted the Germans like fools in
- most occasions, but I guess that's what sells...

What are you talking about? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Of course you don't see a 10 man squad kill off two SS divisions. You sure you even seen it?

IMHO, Band of Brothers was very moving, quite realistic and very loyal to the book by Stephen Ambrose on which it is based.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 02:56 PM
Bamatt Wrote, somewhat angrily:




"Why are you people complaining about them showing it from a US point of view, saying its narrow minded? It was a series about a company in the U.S. Army, not the British or Russian Army. Just because it took place in WWII doesn't mean they need to focus on the whole war, geez. It focused on a single company, that why its in the title for crying out loud; Band of Brothers : E Company, 506th PIR, 101st Airborne.

That comment about it being narrow minded was completely and utterly asinine.

If that is the case, every single war movie ever made is "narrow minded".

So, I guess "The Sands of Iwo Jima" was very narrow minded because it didn't deal with German bombardment of London right?


grrrrrrrr"



This I expected. But look at the situation. You get Saving Private Ryan which is also an excellent film, but guess what: US again exclusively. Then Band of Brothers. Of course no desrespect to our Brothers across the water, but it all seems somewhat one-sided. Children
in Europe seem to think it was the US that won the war (well my daughter did, till I re-educated her! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif . )
I think it will simply be left to the Brits and the Europeans to equalise things somewhat.

Oh, and be careful with the word asinine, lest I describe you as imbecilic for your knee-jerk reaction. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif gr!

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 03:03 PM
Can I just toss the word U571 into the discussion there!

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 03:04 PM
My wife is very cool and bought me the DVD box set as a suprise.

One of my favorite parts is the speech the German officer gave to his men after surrendering as they stood at attention.

Call me a wuss but that brought tears to my eyes.


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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 03:16 PM
You missed my point entirely. The book and series was intended to portray a certain company of the U.S. Army, nothing else. Is there some set of prerequisites that must be complied with when making a WWII movie/series that says "All allied nations involved in the war must be represented, as not to offend the citizens of said nation"?

I think your just upset with the notion that YOU beleive the general public thinks that the U.S. won the war with no help from the UK at all.


I'll say again, the book is about E company 506th PIR 101st Airborne Division, United States Army.

What exactly did you want the book to be about? What did Mr.Ambrose forget to include?





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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 03:18 PM
SeaFireLIV wrote:

- This I expected. But look at the situation. You get
- Saving Private Ryan which is also an excellent film,
- but guess what: US again exclusively. Then Band of
- Brothers. Of course no desrespect to our Brothers
- across the water, but it all seems somewhat
- one-sided. Children
- in Europe seem to think it was the US that won the
- war (well my daughter did, till I re-educated her!
- /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif . )
- I think it will simply be left to the Brits and the
- Europeans to equalise things somewhat.

There's no doubt that the U.S. didn't win the war by itself. But this is a series based on a book about E company 506PIR in the 101st airborne division. An American outfit.

Certainly there are other perspectives on the war. But why is everyone waiting for Hollywood to do something about that? Isn't there a film industry in the U.K.?

Yeah, I know all the usual responses: "Hollywood is big, rich and powerful. We can't compete. Blah, blah, blah..."
Well, as y'all might say, bugger that! You gotta drum up backing. You gotta work budgets. And most of all you need insightful and creative people. All of which I'm sure you have there in Ol' Blighty.

You want a good British war movie? (I know I'd like to see one.) Then b@tch at the British film industry.
End rant.

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 03:23 PM
I cried too, like a kid - five minutes I reckon !

There are British troops in Band of Brothers by the way, I do, however, think it is time a similar series was made about British (or Russian, German etc) exploits in the war.

Personally I would be interested in seeing a series about the men under the command of Montgommery or Rommel, or the men who were in Burma.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 03:50 PM
Just a correction to the comments made about it being Hollywood and a "10 man squad killing two divisions". You need to watch the movie again.

The 10 man squad led an attack--but there were others there...the squad found the German divisions and organized the attack. They led the attack but what scattered the troops was the ensuing artillery attack and follow up by another company.

In the movie they clearly state two divisions were captured and only about 50 killed...not unreasonable considering the scale of the attack and artillery barrage. The story was told from the point of view of just one squad participating in the attack and their particular actions but I never got the impression they were the ONLY ones there.

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 04:03 PM
SeaFireLIV wrote:
- Red_Storm Wrote rather truthfully...
-
-
-
-
-
- "There is A LOT of Hollywoodish about the film
- though. It's not super-realistic as some might
- think. Two SS divisions being killed by a 10 man
- squad? I mean, the other division just ran over the
- hill without even checking where the gunfire was
- coming from. It depicted the Germans like fools in
- most occasions, but I guess that's what sells... "
-
-
-

A bit Hollywood maybe but for the most part this is portraying an actual event. A reinforced platoon surprised 2 companies (not two divisions) of SS troops that had penetrated the Allied lines in preparation for an attack on the Allied CP. The SS troopers were wearing overcoats and full packs and were caught massed together with no real sentries to speak of. They broke and ran almost right away. The only real casualties taken by the American paratroopers was from a resulting supporting German artillery barage.

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 04:25 PM
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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 05:46 PM
Yes thats a good film too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif as for the

Master Mariner wrote:
-- This is WWII related but not IL2 related so therefore OT!
-- Lock plz!
-- Master

Post aint a mariner a boaty type person? thats off subject so how about keel hauling him.


Band of brothers had some excellent Dakotas at the start for the drop think anyone would be interested if i did some of the skins on the Russian Bird ? Thats on topic but hey would there be any interest? there are some D Day ones up at www.il2skins.com (http://www.il2skins.com)

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 05:52 PM
Anybody remember the part about Market-Garden? The BoB retreated after a pretty good thrashing.

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 06:35 PM
No, since the movie sucked badly.


Cpt-Madcowz wrote:
- Can I just toss the word U571 into the discussion
- there!
-
- Mad
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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 06:45 PM
Quake897 wrote:
- No, since the movie sucked badly.
-

And that... is the perfect understatement /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif


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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 07:15 PM
"Two SS divisions being killed by a 10 man squad?"

I agree with the post above - it was more than a 10 man squad.

But besides that, from what I understand, stuff like that happened in RL. E.g., Audy Murphy.

When such attacks succeeded, the surviving soldiers look like they were either protected by the hand of God or used up a lifetime of luck in one moment, or both.

Thus, it looks very much Hollywood stuff. But it is, IMHO, accurate. That's why war makes such good drama.

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 07:19 PM
JV44Rall wrote:
- "Two SS divisions being killed by a 10 man squad?"
-
- I agree with the post above - it was more than a 10
- man squad.
-
- But besides that, from what I understand, stuff like
- that happened in RL. E.g., Audy Murphy.
-
- When such attacks succeeded, the surviving soldiers
- look like they were either protected by the hand of
- God or used up a lifetime of luck in one moment, or
- both.
-
- Thus, it looks very much Hollywood stuff. But it
- is, IMHO, accurate. That's why war makes such good
- drama.


Agree there. It's the best mini-series on war in my o.


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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 07:29 PM
Most Hollywood war movies are crap, because they allways represtent US troops as the only one who fought, and allways massacre of enemy troops..

For example, We were soldiers.. VC-troops attack in endless waves of VC-soldiers, and are beeing butchered by a small force of US-soldiers.. somehow I don't consider that realistic..

And same goes for most of Hollywood WW2-pictures.. Us troops kill hundreds of germans..and they just keep coming.. Luckily BoB is somewhat an exception, and that makes it an excelent miniseries..





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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 07:57 PM
Anyone that has read the book knows that they went to great lengths to portray the action as it was described in the book. The part where Winters comes over the **** and finds the SS unit all grouped together, it really happened. The only thing they left out was there was a sentry at the top of the **** that threw a grenade at Winters and Winters threw one back. Thing was he forgot to pull the tape off the handle they used to avoid accidents. He scrambled over the top to find the sentry covering his head waiting for the grenade to go off. Winters shot him and if I remember right fired 2 and a half for lack of a better word clips of M1 ammo before the Germans returned fire. Winters said after that fight was over he realized he had fired hundreds of rounds and was nearly out of ammo. Winters recalled how shocked he was to see the Germans in such a terrible position without sentries or proper unit dispersion and said it was the worst example of German leadership he saw during the war.

The only thing I think they might have purposely left out was the looting. They looted the entire way to Germany and when they reached the "Eagles Nest" man they looted that place bear. Winters recalls in the book when they reached it, and they were the first ones their, he ordered the men to secure it and not to loot the villes and such. Than a regular army unit arrived with duece and a halfs and started trucking the stuff out in them. Winters said he wished he would of just let his men have first crack at it. They might of shown a bit of it but never showed the scope of just how much looting there was.

fluke39
07-22-2003, 08:28 PM
FW190fan wrote:
- My wife is very cool and bought me the DVD box set
- as a suprise.
-
- One of my favorite parts is the speech the German
- officer gave to his men after surrendering as they
- stood at attention.
-
- Call me a wuss but that brought tears to my eyes.


i agree - i was going to mention that bit too. in a way it ties in with everyone saying about seeing things from the brits or german perspective - this speech at the end effectively implies there is no difference. OK the germans spoke german and had tigers and the amnericans and english spoke english and had shermans but at the end of the day the all fought, had victories and defeats, endured hardship, lost friends etc (but made friends too) - all the sides endured similiar experiences due to the harsh nature of war

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 09:27 PM
"The only thing I think they might have purposely left out was the looting."

Never thought of that, but you're right. IIRC, Winters thought that because the German people supported the leaders who caused such suffering, looting was okay.

That wouldn't set well these days. But it was not a rare or unique attitude.

A friend's father was with the US Army and his company looted their way through Italy. When a truck stopped in a town, everyone scampered off the back looking for valuables. Some had more silver than they could carry.

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 09:27 PM
fluke39 wrote:
-
- FW190fan wrote:
- i agree - i was going to mention that bit too. in a
- way it ties in with everyone saying about seeing
- things from the brits or german perspective - this
- speech at the end effectively implies there is no
- difference. OK the germans spoke german and had
- tigers and the amnericans and english spoke english
- and had shermans but at the end of the day the all
- fought, had victories and defeats, endured hardship,
- lost friends etc (but made friends too) - all the
- sides endured similiar experiences due to the harsh
- nature of war


I'll join in on this and say that it was one of the many impressive moments of the series... the only problem I have is that Liebgott's translation is too impersonal compared to the original speech.

People arguing here on these forums about german/US/etc. - especially concerning current political situation - should definitely learn from the attitude the veterans had - and that is - given different circumstances two enemies could have been best friends. As the foreign legion's oath dictates - always respect your enemy no matter who he is. As Hartmann said... he never hated anyone - since life is too short to waste on that feeling.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 09:29 PM
Red_Storm wrote:
- There is A LOT of Hollywoodish about the film
- though. It's not super-realistic as some might
- think. Two SS divisions being killed by a 10 man
- squad? I mean, the other division just ran over the
- hill without even checking where the gunfire was
- coming from. It depicted the Germans like fools in
- most occasions, but I guess that's what sells...

As I read in a review somewhere, SPR "is truthful about small or obvious things and untruthful about big or complex ones."

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 09:47 PM
How? The movie was fake beyond belief (just gotta love that single torpedo taking out a destroyer at such an angle and distance). Maybe if there was no Das Boot, then it would be an ok movie.

cuski wrote:

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 09:52 PM
First off, mattduggan (post starter) ~ where have you been for the last 2 years. I watched this series on HBO when it premiered and then watched it again when they replayed it and then bought the DVD set and watched it again ~ have you been living under a rock?

Just kidding m8. The book by Ambrose is an excellent read as many little discrepancies are left out of the series that provide a better overall picture of certain characters, like Sobel. Winters is just amazing as a person and a soldier.



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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 09:53 PM
Have you forgotten english, Quake? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I said that the sentence 'u-571 sucked badly' is an understatement. Meaning... it sucked way more than just badly.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 09:55 PM
LW_Cobra wrote:
- First off, mattduggan (post starter) ~ where have
- you been for the last 2 years. I watched this series
- on HBO when it premiered and then watched it again
- when they replayed it and then bought the DVD set
- and watched it again ~ have you been living under a
- rock?
-

So did I... they were broadcasting one episode every Tuesday, except for the first two... I would not be lying to you if I said I was living from Tuesday to Tuesday, nothing in between really mattered.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 11:39 PM
Heh, sorry, misread the post (forgot english for a sec).

cuski wrote:
- Have you forgotten english, Quake? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
-
- I said that the sentence 'u-571 sucked badly' is an
- understatement. Meaning... it sucked way more than
- just badly.
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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 11:53 PM
Me and my dad watched the entire series. My favorite part was the night time parachute jumps with all of that flak, that was totally cool. /i/smilies/16x16_man-happy.gif



Message Edited on 07/22/0303:54PM by Hauptman99

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 12:03 AM
You know what's really great? You guys will have even more to argue about because they just announced they're making another Band of Brother's series - only this one is set in the Pacific. Just think of the arguments that can be started once you throw planes into the mix!

Check out the article on MSNBC - same people, Spielberg, Hanks, same writer, probably the same director and Dreamworks. I loved BoB and can't wait for this next one.

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 12:09 AM
Sounds good /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 01:00 AM
Great post Matt /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
If you haven't, read the book by Dr. Stephen Ambrose.
one word: Incredible!

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 04:24 AM
"Pegasus Bridge' is another Ambrose book to read. D Company, British 6th Airborne commanded by John Howard, at the extreme eastern flank of the Normandy operation. A critical mission and a heck of a story.

Then read Hans von Luck's memoirs and hear the other side.

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 04:49 AM
Band of Brothers was amazing. Spielberg is very, VERY good at what he does. I know some think that he only cares about American perspectives, but so do those American dollars that pay for his productions. I would love it if Speilberg put a series together about life on the Eastern Front. Maybe use the Battle of Kursk as a backdrop. That would be absolutley insane.

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 04:51 AM
Man, I think Band of Brothers and The Pianists are the two most moving WW2 movies ever! I'd strongly recommend to every human being on the planet...Those guys were truly great men.

Airmikey


ps. The book is great, too.

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 06:20 AM
Steven Spielberg is falling in love with the Germans , since Indiana Jones /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif .
but h*s movies are still good entertainment.

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 06:28 AM
Every battle was historically documented, the 2 regiments of polish SS were bait on the cross roads, 88's were fixed on the position. Thats why the mg42s were firing at towards the regiment hq to draw the allies in them in.


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